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[Tonymac]

The queen seemed genuine - and it does fit that Sovereign would use the rachni as 'allies' - he was searching for quite some time. Remember - Sovereign was out there searching for the answers as to why the Citadel was not responding - why the Keepers were not activating the Mass Relay..... It may have instigated that war for any number of reasons - and had the Krogan not been used the war could have turned out quite differently than we imagined.

The choice is left up to each of us as a player - there is no right or wrong in my eyes. Kill them if you want to or save them if you want. Arguing about what is 'right' or 'wrong' is fairly pointless. We each make our own choices based upon who we are and how we feel. I tend to be more of a paragon type of player - thus far on every single runthrough I have saved them. If I have to pay for it I will, but I think that in all reality, especially given our Illium contact, I think that we will be fine. Even Mordin had a lot to say about how tragic the wars were, and that ALL life is precious.

But thats just MY take. I am interested in seeing how many people save them or kill them - and what reasons they have for each.

[Someone With Mass]

Dunstan wrote...

Anything else? 

I think one of the devs said that Samara won't go on a witch hunt if you're Renegade in ME3. Don't take it for granted, though, it's just something I might have seen a while ago in a tweet.

Oh, and I'd take experience over youth any day. Better to have someone who knows how things works instead of some bimbo.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 26 septembre 2011 - 11:31 .

[AlexXIV]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

Anything else? 

I think one of the devs said that Samara won't go on a witch hunt if you're Renegade in ME3. Don't take it for granted, though, it's just something I might have seen a while ago in a tweet.

Oh, and I'd take experience over youth any day. Better to have someone who knows how things works instead of some bimbo.

Not to mention that Samara is in pretty good shape for her age.

[Valdrane78]

Sorry, Morinth is a straight up serial killer, it's her nature and it's never going to change. If you are niave enough to think that you alone can help change her, then you kinda asked for bad things to happen.

[Someone With Mass]

jreezy wrote...
Because that's what the Rachni Queen told her. Again, not a confirmation.

It's not saying that they weren't, though.

[BlueMagitek]

wiggles89 wrote...

I'm not familiar with this thought experiment, though I assume you mean
Dean the Younger?  I've seen him posting around here and there.

Here you are

As for Samara -

All those calling her a monster probably punched a news reporter twice. ((and if not that - sided with a serial killer))

So I really don't consider their opinions at all valid anyway.

Nice ad hominem bro. Besides, I know several people who killed Morinth and view Samara as a monster.

Eh, you can make similar arguments for Thane, Zaeed and Jack.  They've done some pretty terrible things with varying excuses for them.

[Killjoy Cutter]

Choosing Morinth is the act of a villain to begin with...

[D.Kain]

SandTrout wrote...

Can someone, anyone, present a solid, valid reason to Choose Morinth? Just one is all I'm looking for here.

I want to join in too! 

I choose Morinth because:

1) I am a renegade and Samara get's pissed at me.
2) I don't like Samara too! lol
3) Morinth is better looking and has a better voice, a shame we don't hear it more often. 
4) Morinth is potentialy a stronger biotic.
5) Morinth's other skills could be useful, if Bioware let's us use those in roleplay.
6) Morinth seems like the most loyal squad mate. She is there for Shepard and not the mission, she would do immoral things for Shepard because she doen't care, she minds her own business, she is grateful in general.
7) I want to know more about Ardat-Yakshi in general, and there probably won't be any more in ME3, so I want to keep this one alive. Samara is a bad source.
8) Morinth is a very attractive character because she is strong and weak at the same time. I want to give her a hug and I want to have her at my side because she is a badass biotic and killer, and she seems like an inteligent person that I could have interesting conversations with if Bioware will expand her in ME3. She is the most bold but rational character on the ship. She feels attraction for Shepard.
9) I want to see what direction Morinth is going to take after all of these events in her life. I would respect any of her choices though.
10) There might be some interesting plot twists that involve Morinth in ME3. 

There you go good sir! 

Edit: 11) Oh and I really wonder if it is possible to have sex with her and stay alive and have lots of pleasure. :happy:
And I actually like Reave more than Dominate, that's why I picked Samara once. Morinth almost makes want to dump Liara for her, almost.. for now. I want to make Morinth a spectre.

Modifié par D.Kain, 26 septembre 2011 - 03:01 .

[Cpt-Kirrahe]

I thought Samara was dead for good if you chose Morinth... I don't want to deal with a asari justicar.

fudge....

[D.Kain]

Cpt-Kirrahe wrote...

I thought Samara was dead for good if you chose Morinth... I don't want to deal with a asari justicar.

fudge....

Well, yes Samara is dead for good. That ofcourse doesn't mean that you won't meet other Justicars. I mean who knows?

[Killjoy Cutter]

Respect Morinth's choices? She's a monster, a serial killer, a sociopath, a predator, She's a mad dog that needs to be put down, not someone "practicing a different lifestyle". She's a twisted, sick, pathetic, monsterous freak of nature.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Respect Morinth's choices? She's a monster, a serial killer, a sociopath, a predator, She's a mad dog that needs to be put down, not someone "practicing a different lifestyle". She's a twisted, sick, pathetic, monsterous freak of nature.

Lol. Monster? No she's Asari. Serial killer? No, atleast I haven't followed series, not to mention motives. Sociopath? No, has gratirude. Predator? Probably yes. Offense is the best defence. Twisted? maybe, she had a twisted life. Sick? Oh yes, Ardat-Yakshi sick. Pathetic? Lol what? She is powerful and talanted. Monsterous? Maybe, again life. Freak of nature? Yes Ardat-Yakshi. 

I don't see a reason that she is to be put down. Especialy not after I decided to not do it once.

Modifié par D.Kain, 26 septembre 2011 - 03:25 .

[Alraiis]

Samara's "I get to murder police officers who try to stop me" oath is arguably a worse excuse for her actions than an uncontrollable accident of genetics. Samara is dangerous because she can never bend her code; she is incapable of looking at a situation and saying "This time, I'll make an exception to avoid becoming the very thing I'm fighting against." Instead, the code codifies all the atrocities she's allowed to commit, and those become just and righteous simply by virtue of being written down and agreed upon by asari society. It's as bad as batarians justifying slavery as "tradition."

...If you want to look at it that way.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Respect Morinth's choices? She's a monster, a serial killer, a sociopath, a predator, She's a mad dog that needs to be put down, not someone "practicing a different lifestyle". She's a twisted, sick, pathetic, monsterous freak of nature.

Lol. Monster? No she's Asari. Serial killer? No, atleast I haven't followed series, not to mention motives. Sociopath? No, has gratirude. Predator? Probably yes. Offense is the best defence. Twisted? maybe, she had a twisted life. Sick? Oh yes, Ardat-Yakshi sick. Pathetic? Lol what? She is powerful and talanted. Monsterous? Maybe, again life. Freak of nature? Yes Ardat-Yakshi. 

I don't see a reason that she is to be put down. Especialy not after I decided to not do it once.

Serial killer, she's killed many people all over the galaxy, more than one on Omega alone. 
Sociopath, she views people as playthings and food/drug, and kills them without remorse. 
Monster, see above.
Pathetic, she allowed herself to become addicted.

[bucyrus5000]

I choose Samara over Morinth, but not for any moral/ethical reason, just that on highest difficulty Samara was more useful IMO. The dev team has said they won't punish us for decisions. I think it is more of a question of how the decision will affect the challenge level, that will be interesting to see.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Serial killer, she's killed many people all over the galaxy, more than one on Omega alone. 
Sociopath, she views people as playthings and food/drug, and kills them without remorse. 
Monster, see above.
Pathetic, she allowed herself to become addicted.

If the definition of a serial killer is - killed many people all over the galaxy. Then all of your squad members invluding Shepard are serial killers.
She views everybody different. Shepard for example isn't a plaything nor a food/drug. She kills those that need to be killed, without remorse.
She has so much control over her addiction that she managed to be so careful to avoid Samara for 400 years, if that is even an adiction. We don't know that.

Modifié par D.Kain, 26 septembre 2011 - 03:34 .

[Killjoy Cutter]

I guess it's true that people can make excuses for anything. The human species never ceases to disappoint despite the ever-lowering expectation.

Equating Morinth's murders with the killing that Shep has had to do... pathetic attempt at equivocation.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

I guess it's true that people can make excuses for anything. The human species never ceases to disappoint despite the ever-lowering expectation.

Equating Morinth's murders with the killing that Shep has had to do... pathetic attempt at equivocation.

Omg. WHAT do you know about those that Morinth killed? What Samara told you? Preaching to the choire. Xeranx for example made a whole pretty possible theory on Nef being a spy from Aria, after Morinth, that Morinth seduced and neutrolized. What other victims do you know? Are those even victims? Or is Morinth just trying to survive? 

[Killjoy Cutter]

Nef, a spy for Aria?

LOL, OK, whatever, like I said, desperate attempt to make excuses for a monster.

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Nef, a spy for Aria?

LOL, OK, whatever, like I said, desperate attempt to make excuses for a monster.

Xeranx doesn't try to make exuses, he is a rational person with a lot of good thoughts. Thing is you don't know Morinth enough to call her a monster.

[DRUNK_CANADIAN]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

What, this topic isn't about the rachni queen?

Thats what I thought when I saw the topic heading, I was coming to the Rachni Queen's defense lolz

(although I am quite certain she will reappear in ME3, or at least the Rachni will)

[ddv.rsa]

SandTrout wrote...

[The only serrious hint we have that the Reapers were behind the Rachni Wars is the Queen stating that "The songs of my sisters were soured" or something along those lines. Reaper involvement is never explicitly stated, and the Queen might just be trying to cover her butt so that you'll spare her.

This. Lots of people would say just about anything to save their life.