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[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
 But it doesn't change the fact that she didn't want to kill him!

There is no facts here

Well for me it is. 

No there isn't. Just delusional opinions on your part.

Opinions can't be delusional. The game heavily emplies what I say though. I don't say that you are wrong because you see otherwise.

[AlexXIV]

D.Kain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If I said no, how could I test her?

Test her for what? She doesn't want to kill you anyway, regardless of if it happens or not. And she didn't want to die either which she would right after you die.

Why did she risk it then? For fun? Running 400 years, throwing thousands of lifes at her pursuers and then on a whim she risks her own and Shep's life? Or she just risked Shep's because she was sure nobody would catch her ... what are the chances?

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If I said no, how could I test her?

Test her for what? She doesn't want to kill you anyway, regardless of if it happens or not. And she didn't want to die either which she would right after you die.

You keep spouting this nonsense with no evidence to back it up.

Didn't we go through this for 3 pages, and I told you what would happen? You already forgot? It's basic logic.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
She did what she did, and there is nothing I can blame her for. Mercenery doesn't seem like a lot better option. They are mostly scumbags that we kill every 3 secons in the game anyway.

Yes you can blame her very easily because it was her choice to begin with and she could have done something else that didn't involve killing **** loads of innocents.

Also not all mercenaries are even like that . Garrus could have been called a mercenary. That Alliance soldier who was tortured by Cerberus. He got together a mercenary band to fight cerberus commandos. The large merc organizations are the main ones who usually have the majority of scum bags. Hell Zaeed turned into much more of an A hole when he was shot in the freaking head. Wrex is definitely not innocent killing mercenary.

Point is you can be whatever type of merc you want to be.

I already asked you the question before. Why should Morinth care for other peoples lives if nobody cared for her freedom and her life?

Nice goal post change again. First you attempt to claim that Morinth couldn't escape without melding. Then you say that the reason she chose to rapemurder because she wanted to see the galaxy. Now its because she doesn't care about anyone else?

No that logic only works if ever since birth she was treated as if she was lower than life. She would need a similar life to Jack to the point where she was tortured both mentally and physically her whole childhood. Forced to kill other children her age. Then used the second she was free. Raped before. Plus used and having to kill all those who acted like they wanted to help her. No Morinth's situation does not condone her actions.

If I had to live in a monastery for the rest of my life with others like me or die and I escaped. I wouldn't take out my anger on the rest of the Galaxy. I'd get the hell away from Asari space and live my freaking life. Sure I'd be pissed off but the innocents of the Galaxy doesn't deserve death.

[D.Kain]

khordlambert wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

I only did it to find out what she is like. I didn't have the dialogue option to say 'Hah I knew it, biotch!' and kill her.

She didn't want to kill you! You want to kill her.

Y'know, I have this bridge in Los Angelas I'm trying to sell. Would you like to discuss buying it over some Kool-Aid?

Lol. what are you talking about?

[D.Kain]

AlexXIV wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If I said no, how could I test her?

Test her for what? She doesn't want to kill you anyway, regardless of if it happens or not. And she didn't want to die either which she would right after you die.

Why did she risk it then? For fun? Running 400 years, throwing thousands of lifes at her pursuers and then on a whim she risks her own and Shep's life? Or she just risked Shep's because she was sure nobody would catch her ... what are the chances?

She probably wanted to be together with the single person that supported her out of his own free will. And the chance WAS there.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And so Morinth could have abstained from killing, but choose to keep murdering the innocent.

Yes she could exactly! Asari just diodn't give her the reason to do so! 

Wait, she needs a reason to not rapemurder innocent people all over the galaxy? 

Ofcourse she does. 

Where on earth  did you get the screwed-up idea that someone needs a reason to not rape and murder other people?

[RyuujinZERO]

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
 But it doesn't change the fact that she didn't want to kill him!

There is no facts here

Well for me it is. 

Alright, facts try these:

Morinth is keen on bedding Shepard instead of abstaining from risking their life.
Friends don't usually risk killing friends for their own jollies

Morinth suggest that there's a good chance Shepard won't die because they're such a badass
...but statistically speaking the chances of him dying are pretty much 100% based on past survival rate. Which is to say, zero.


Morinth might not have WANTED Shepard dead, in the sense of murdering him. But she was quite happy to sacrifice Shepard to get their jollies, Shepards survival would've just been a bonus. Is Morinth was such a nice gal with such deep feelings for Shepard she'd have been more intrested in their survival and abstained from "embracing eternity", than risking Shepards life for a quick fix.

[BlueMagitek]

Morinth was loved by her family for 40 years, both she & Samara admit that Mirala is dead. Morinth tossed her aside and chose her life of living without loved ones.

She was shown good, she was shown love. She did not care and instead fled to feed her addiction of melding (which kills people).

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

And you have proof of that where?

Considering she kills Shepard even when Samara is dead, you seem to be grasping.

S-H-E  D-I-D-N-T'-T  W-A-N-T  S-H-E-P-A-R-D  T-O  D-I-E.  Enough? Or one more time?

That's only true in your head.

At best, if we're being generous, we don't know, and if anything, we have every reason to suspect that she knew exactly what could happen and simply couldn't help herself. 

No you don't!

On my side -- hundreds of years of Morinth's personal history of rapemudering, manipulating, lying, and reveling in death, pain, and suffering.  And that wicked smile. 

On your side -- "her hand fell".

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

Nice goal post change again. First you attempt to claim that Morinth couldn't escape without melding. Then you say that the reason she chose to rapemurder because she wanted to see the galaxy. Now its because she doesn't care about anyone else?

No that logic only works if ever since birth she was treated as if she was lower than life. She would need a similar life to Jack to the point where she was tortured both mentally and physically her whole childhood. Forced to kill other children her age. Then used the second she was free. Raped before. Plus used and having to kill all those who acted like they wanted to help her. No Morinth's situation does not condone her actions.

If I had to live in a monastery for the rest of my life with others like me or die and I escaped. I wouldn't take out my anger on the rest of the Galaxy. I'd get the hell away from Asari space and live my freaking life. Sure I'd be pissed off but the innocents of the Galaxy doesn't deserve death.

The goal post is: She runs away because she wants to be free. She can't survive without melding, and she USES melding because she doesn't care that much for others. 

Bold part. That is what you would do. She wanted to do different things.

[AlexXIV]

D.Kain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If I said no, how could I test her?

Test her for what? She doesn't want to kill you anyway, regardless of if it happens or not. And she didn't want to die either which she would right after you die.

Why did she risk it then? For fun? Running 400 years, throwing thousands of lifes at her pursuers and then on a whim she risks her own and Shep's life? Or she just risked Shep's because she was sure nobody would catch her ... what are the chances?

She probably wanted to be together with the single person that supported her out of his own free will. And the chance WAS there.

She was with Shep already, so why risk Shepard's life? If Shep dies she is alone again. I say Morinth thought if she consumed Shep she would become powerful enough to take on the whole crew of the Normandy. Or at least manage to fight her way out. Who would be able to stop her anyway? Samara is dead already.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 02 octobre 2011 - 11:51 .

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

And so Morinth could have abstained from killing, but choose to keep murdering the innocent.

Yes she could exactly! Asari just diodn't give her the reason to do so! 

Wait, she needs a reason to not rapemurder innocent people all over the galaxy? 

Ofcourse she does. 

Where on earth  did you get the screwed-up idea that someone needs a reason to not rape and murder other people?

Because you get that reason by living in a normal envierment. 

[D.Kain]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
 But it doesn't change the fact that she didn't want to kill him!

There is no facts here

Well for me it is. 

Alright, facts try these:

Morinth is keen on bedding Shepard instead of abstaining from risking their life.
Friends don't usually risk killing friends for their own jollies

Morinth suggest that there's a good chance Shepard won't die because they're such a badass
...but statistically speaking the chances of him dying are pretty much 100% based on past survival rate. Which is to say, zero.


Morinth might not have WANTED Shepard dead, in the sense of murdering him. But she was quite happy to sacrifice Shepard to get their jollies, Shepards survival would've just been a bonus. Is Morinth was such a nice gal with such deep feelings for Shepard she'd have been more intrested in their survival and abstained from "embracing eternity", than risking Shepards life for a quick fix.

Sacrificing Shepard = death. She didn't want to die either. She risked her life as well.

[RyuujinZERO]

D.Kain wrote...

The goal post is: She runs away because she wants to be free. She can't survive without melding, and she USES melding because she doesn't care that much for others. 

Bold part. That is what you would do. She wanted to do different things.

Where exactly is it stated that Ardat Yakshi MUST meld to survive. Given that they survive just fine in sheltered monestaries without rape-murdering anyone it seems they can get by just fine abstaining from it.

Morinths decision to meld anyway (and thus kill) puts her a long way over on the side of "wrong"

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

Morinth was loved by her family for 40 years, both she & Samara admit that Mirala is dead. Morinth tossed her aside and chose her life of living without loved ones.

She was shown good, she was shown love. She did not care and instead fled to feed her addiction of melding (which kills people).

How is saying: You are not free or you die! Is showing love? Everything else that happened before just went down the drain.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Nice goal post change again. First you attempt to claim that Morinth couldn't escape without melding. Then you say that the reason she chose to rapemurder because she wanted to see the galaxy. Now its because she doesn't care about anyone else?

No that logic only works if ever since birth she was treated as if she was lower than life. She would need a similar life to Jack to the point where she was tortured both mentally and physically her whole childhood. Forced to kill other children her age. Then used the second she was free. Raped before. Plus used and having to kill all those who acted like they wanted to help her. No Morinth's situation does not condone her actions.

If I had to live in a monastery for the rest of my life with others like me or die and I escaped. I wouldn't take out my anger on the rest of the Galaxy. I'd get the hell away from Asari space and live my freaking life. Sure I'd be pissed off but the innocents of the Galaxy doesn't deserve death.

The goal post is: She runs away because she wants to be free. She can't survive without melding, and she USES melding because she doesn't care that much for others. 

Bold part. That is what you would do. She wanted to do different things.

She runs away partly because she wants to be free. She can survive without melding and I proved multiple times in this thread that she could and you stopped arguing about it until you suddenly forget the reasoning and argue it again. If she uses melding because she doesn't care much for others then she is a monster that must be destroyed. She was a monster in the beginning.

[1136342t54_]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
She can't survive without melding, and she USES melding because she doesn't care that much for others. 

Where do you come up with this stuff?

FAN FICTION!!!

[KBomb]

D.Kain wrote…

But it doesn't change the fact that she didn't want to kill him!

I haven’t read all the replies, but does it matter if she wanted to kill Shepard? She knew mating with him would kill him. I mean, she has been doing this for over 400 years. You can’t tell me that she didn’t know he would die. Morinth is a self-absorbed predator. A sociopath. She saw Shepard as a challenge, as a power-house. She couldn’t help herself.

Modifié par KBomb, 02 octobre 2011 - 11:55 .

[D.Kain]

AlexXIV wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

If I said no, how could I test her?

Test her for what? She doesn't want to kill you anyway, regardless of if it happens or not. And she didn't want to die either which she would right after you die.

Why did she risk it then? For fun? Running 400 years, throwing thousands of lifes at her pursuers and then on a whim she risks her own and Shep's life? Or she just risked Shep's because she was sure nobody would catch her ... what are the chances?

She probably wanted to be together with the single person that supported her out of his own free will. And the chance WAS there.

She was with Shep already, so why risk Shepard's life? If Shep dies she is alone again. I say Morinth thought if she consumed Shep she would become powerful enough to take on the whole crew of the Normandy. Or at least manage to fight her way out. Who would be able to stop her anyway? Samara is dead already.

And take out EDI? Not that's a mission impossible.