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[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...
Sacrificing Shepard = death. She didn't want to die either. She risked her life as well.

Is very likely a Psychopath. She probably didn't care at that point or was so confident in her abilities that she believed she could mind control her way off the ship. Although there is a 50/50 chance she would die a horrible death in the process.

[D.Kain]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

The goal post is: She runs away because she wants to be free. She can't survive without melding, and she USES melding because she doesn't care that much for others. 

Bold part. That is what you would do. She wanted to do different things.

Where exactly is it stated that Ardat Yakshi MUST meld to survive. Given that they survive just fine in sheltered monestaries without rape-murdering anyone it seems they can get by just fine abstaining from it.

Morinths decision to meld anyway (and thus kill) puts her a long way over on the side of "wrong"

Bevause she becomes stronger. Melding gives her more chances to survive. Not using melding is being suicidel. And she wouldn't want to be suicidel for others sake because they didn't want her in the society.

[D.Kain]

KBomb wrote...

D.Kain wrote…

But it doesn't change the fact that she didn't want to kill him!

I haven’t read all the replies, but does it matter if she wanted to kill Shepard? She knew mating with him would kill him. I mean, she has been doing this for over 400 years. You can’t tell me that she didn’t know he would die. Morinth is a self-absorbed predator. A sociopath. She saw Shepard as a challenge, as a power-house. She couldn’t help herself.

She provided you with WHY you could survive.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...
Bevause she becomes stronger. Melding gives her more chances to survive. Not using melding is being suicidel. And she wouldn't want to be suicidel for others sake because they didn't want her in the society.

Make up your mind. You said she wanted to meld because she didn't care for others. Now your saying its for survival. Which is it?

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

Morinth was loved by her family for 40 years, both she & Samara admit that Mirala is dead. Morinth tossed her aside and chose her life of living without loved ones.

She was shown good, she was shown love. She did not care and instead fled to feed her addiction of melding (which kills people).

How is saying: You are not free or you die! Is showing love? Everything else that happened before just went down the drain.

Imprisoning AY seems to be the law.  It may be an unjust one, but at this point Samara is not a Justicar (Morinth running is the reason for that).  Given that Samara states that's she's proud of Morinth for running, you can't say all of that went away.  

And it invalidates your point; she has seen love & kindness.  She knows that killing is bad, mmm'kay?

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

And you have proof of that where?

Considering she kills Shepard even when Samara is dead, you seem to be grasping.

S-H-E  D-I-D-N-T'-T  W-A-N-T  S-H-E-P-A-R-D  T-O  D-I-E.  Enough? Or one more time?

That's only true in your head.

At best, if we're being generous, we don't know, and if anything, we have every reason to suspect that she knew exactly what could happen and simply couldn't help herself. 

No you don't!

What's the survival rate when someone melds with an Ardat-Yakshi?

How many people did lazarus project bring to life? So much money gambled.

Modifié par D.Kain, 02 octobre 2011 - 11:58 .

[AlexXIV]

KBomb wrote...

D.Kain wrote…

But it doesn't change the fact that she didn't want to kill him!

I haven’t read all the replies, but does it matter if she wanted to kill Shepard? She knew mating with him would kill him. I mean, she has been doing this for over 400 years. You can’t tell me that she didn’t know he would die. Morinth is a self-absorbed predator. A sociopath. She saw Shepard as a challenge, as a power-house. She couldn’t help herself.

That's a good point, wonder why nobody brought that up yet. No seriously, that's what we are argueing for many many pages

But obviously there can be more than one opinion about that.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...
She provided you with WHY you could survive.

Actually capitalizing could would be better. Also Morinth isn't stupid. She knows she would kill Shepard. She gave him reasons why he could survive but they are inaccurate. The only thing that could help him survive would be the beacon and Cipher but it would need to change his brain chemistry to the point he wouldn't be human.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Bevause she becomes stronger. Melding gives her more chances to survive. Not using melding is being suicidel. And she wouldn't want to be suicidel for others sake because they didn't want her in the society.

Make up your mind. You said she wanted to meld because she didn't care for others. Now your saying its for survival. Which is it?

Both damnit! She want to survive and she doesn't care for her victims. And she is not the one to blame for that.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

RyuujinZERO wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

The goal post is: She runs away because she wants to be free. She can't survive without melding, and she USES melding because she doesn't care that much for others. 

Bold part. That is what you would do. She wanted to do different things.

Where exactly is it stated that Ardat Yakshi MUST meld to survive. Given that they survive just fine in sheltered monestaries without rape-murdering anyone it seems they can get by just fine abstaining from it.

Morinths decision to meld anyway (and thus kill) puts her a long way over on the side of "wrong"

Bevause she becomes stronger. Melding gives her more chances to survive. Not using melding is being suicidel. And she wouldn't want to be suicidel for others sake because they didn't want her in the society.

She didn't need to rapemurder people to survive.  You're just making stupid excuses. 

It's sad, but not surprising.  There were women who wanted to have Ted Bundy's babies, too. 

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

And you have proof of that where?

Considering she kills Shepard even when Samara is dead, you seem to be grasping.

S-H-E  D-I-D-N-T'-T  W-A-N-T  S-H-E-P-A-R-D  T-O  D-I-E.  Enough? Or one more time?

That's only true in your head.

At best, if we're being generous, we don't know, and if anything, we have every reason to suspect that she knew exactly what could happen and simply couldn't help herself. 

No you don't!

What's the survival rate when someone melds with an Ardat-Yakshi?

How many people did lazarus project bring to life? So much money gambled.

Answer the question without using another question. If you say anything but 0% then GTFO.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
She provided you with WHY you could survive.

Actually capitalizing could would be better. Also Morinth isn't stupid. She knows she would kill Shepard. She gave him reasons why he could survive but they are inaccurate. The only thing that could help him survive would be the beacon and Cipher but it would need to change his brain chemistry to the point he wouldn't be human.

Morinth not being stupid means not mating with Shepard IF she thinks there is no chance for him to survive.

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...
Both damnit! She want to survive and she doesn't care for her victims. And she is not the one to blame for that.

Yes she is because she made the CHOICE. If you don't know what choice means then read a dictionary.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Sacrificing Shepard = death. She didn't want to die either. She risked her life as well.

Is very likely a Psychopath. She probably didn't care at that point or was so confident in her abilities that she believed she could mind control her way off the ship. Although there is a 50/50 chance she would die a horrible death in the process.

She wouldn't even need to do that. As far as I know Samara's biotic ability is nothin to scoff at and Morinth is equal in that regard. Samara could probably kill everyone on the Normandy if she wanted to.

So why didn't Morinth just put Shepard  bioticaly back in the couch in her apartment and meld with him? You think he could do anything about it? No. 

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Bevause she becomes stronger. Melding gives her more chances to survive. Not using melding is being suicidel. And she wouldn't want to be suicidel for others sake because they didn't want her in the society.

Make up your mind. You said she wanted to meld because she didn't care for others. Now your saying its for survival. Which is it?

Both damnit! She want to survive and she doesn't care for her victims. And she is not the one to blame for that.

Yes, she is.  She made the choice to rapemurder those people.  It was always her choice.

Plenty of people go through far worse than Morinth ever did, and come out of it without being monsters. 

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
Both damnit! She want to survive and she doesn't care for her victims. And she is not the one to blame for that.

Yes she is because she made the CHOICE. If you don't know what choice means then read a dictionary.

Her both choices was bad. Blame people that didn't give her a good choice.

[1136342t54_]

jreezy wrote...

She wouldn't even need to do that. As far as I know Samara's biotic ability is nothin to scoff at and Morinth is equal in that regard. Samara could probably kill everyone on the Normandy if she wanted to.

It would depend. Kasumi could kill her by going invisible. Thane has a lot of experience killing biotics. EDI could put a Kinetic barrier around Samara as soon as she starts killing people. Jack is just as powerful as Samara even teh Collectors were interested as Jack almost as much as Shepard.

Edit: Then again it would depend on the environment though. Morinth didn't want to fight Samara for obvious reasons. Samara was likely more trained than her when it came to weapons and in some biotic techniques but when it came to raw biotic power Morinth was her equal. Garrus could easily snipe her with a high powered rifle and Zaeed is the type of person who fought krogan battlemaster in close quarters and won. Remember all Battlemasters are very powerful biotics.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 03 octobre 2011 - 12:04 .

[D.Kain]

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

Yes, she is.  She made the choice to rapemurder those people.  It was always her choice.

Plenty of people go through far worse than Morinth ever did, and come out of it without being monsters. 

Admire those people. But it doesn't mean that I could blame them for choosing otherwise.

[RyuujinZERO]

D.Kain wrote...

Morinth not being stupid means not mating with Shepard IF she thinks there is no chance for him to survive.

A less convuluted and better supported angle though is that she really didn't care about Shepard one way or another, therefore it's in her intrests to try bedding him/her. Sometimes the simplest explanation is the right one.

[AlexXIV]

1136342t54 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

She wouldn't even need to do that. As far as I know Samara's biotic ability is nothin to scoff at and Morinth is equal in that regard. Samara could probably kill everyone on the Normandy if she wanted to.

It would depend. Kasumi could kill her by going invisible. Thane has a lot of experience killing biotics. EDI could put a Kinetic barrier around Samara as soon as she starts killing people. Jack is just as powerful as Samara even teh Collectors were interested as Jack almost as much as Shepard.

Well this is all speculation. We don't know what her plan was. I highly doubt her plan was to die there though.

[Killjoy Cutter]

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Sacrificing Shepard = death. She didn't want to die either. She risked her life as well.

Is very likely a Psychopath. She probably didn't care at that point or was so confident in her abilities that she believed she could mind control her way off the ship. Although there is a 50/50 chance she would die a horrible death in the process.

She wouldn't even need to do that. As far as I know Samara's biotic ability is nothin to scoff at and Morinth is equal in that regard. Samara could probably kill everyone on the Normandy if she wanted to.

So why didn't Morinth just put Shepard  bioticaly back in the couch in her apartment and meld with him? You think he could do anything about it? No. 

Because she's always been able to control people. 

Even Shep can't resist unless you have your Paragon or Renegade up high enough, and then her momentary surprise is enough delay for Samara to show up, and then it's too late. 

[BlueMagitek]

AlexXIV wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

She wouldn't even need to do that. As far as I know Samara's biotic ability is nothin to scoff at and Morinth is equal in that regard. Samara could probably kill everyone on the Normandy if she wanted to.

It would depend. Kasumi could kill her by going invisible. Thane has a lot of experience killing biotics. EDI could put a Kinetic barrier around Samara as soon as she starts killing people. Jack is just as powerful as Samara even teh Collectors were interested as Jack almost as much as Shepard.

Well this is all speculation. We don't know what her plan was. I highly doubt her plan was to die there though.

Morinth clearly planned to wear Shepard's face and take over as main character. 

There's no evidence for it, but I'm going to ignore whatever you say and continue to believe it.

[KBomb]

D.Kain wrote...

She provided you with WHY you could survive.

She didn't even state them as fact. This is a predator that hunted prey for over 400 years. You don't think she knew exactly what to say to get her prey to trust her? Are you serious? is an addictive disorder that compels her to mate. Shepard was the ultimate prey, she even said so herself. Of course she is going to fabricate a story to get him to trust her, that is what sociopaths do. She doesn't have a conscience, so why would she care if Shepard lived or died?