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[dreman9999]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

RyuujinZERO wrote...
I don't see how it's much worse than Morinth's life should she have gone into sheltered accomodation...

The fact that you don't see doesn't mean that it is not there.

I live pretty much exactly the way she would've in a monestary. Except, I don't have awesome biotic powers. So, on the whole I'd say she has the better deal ;p

(But she threw away even THAT, and became a serial killer on the run)

But did you choose that life or was it force on you?

[D.Kain]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Quick question: What would you have done with a 30 something year old Morinth who has discovered to be an AY since she had just killed a few people by melding?

Not keep her a secret. Tell everybody she is an AY. Tell her to hold herself together and not do it again because it brings pain to others. Teach everybody to love,care for her and respect the effort she is putting into keeping herself together.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...
I'm using logic here. I say don't screw people or sh*t will happen. You say screwing people shouldn't have sh*t happen. Then you must want to screw people otherwise it wouldn't even be a problem in the first place.

I've said nothing of the sort. 

Yes you din't it is what I think it means. 
If not tell me WHY shouldn't people get sh*t when they screw others? 

And who exactly is being screwed here? Morinth? Please, don't make me laugh.

Laugh all you want, that is exactly what is happening.

[Gh0st_00]

dreman9999 wrote...

Gh0st_00 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

RyuujinZERO wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I already said that running is not freedom. Running when you are weak is also not that easy. 

But it IS possible. There is always a choice, but rarely is the right choice the easy choice.

How many more time. Ok YOU are given a choice: 

1) You die
2) You live a life that is worse than death
3) You kill other people so that you don't die and live a more or less interesting life.

So what makes my life any more valuable than the people I kill? How is making my life 'interesting' justification for taking away the lives of others? Who says they weren't troubled individuals trying to live a normal life?

Simple...Because it's you life...Your only life. Why would you or anyone want to suffer a life of endless suffering because you have to denie yourself of all the nature part of life? Would you really be able to hadle that burden of force self denial?

Thing is though, who says that the AY who live in seclusion are suffering?

[MACharlie1]

D.Kain wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Quick question: What would you have done with a 30 something year old Morinth who has discovered to be an AY since she had just killed a few people by melding?

Not keep her a secret. Tell everybody she is an AY. Tell her to hold herself together and not do it again because it brings pain to others. Teach everybody to love,care for her and respect the effort she is putting into keeping herself together.

So no jail/prison time? No form of deterrence or justice (for the families lets say). 

[D.Kain]

Gh0st_00 wrote...


Thing is though, who says that the AY who live in seclusion are suffering?

Morinth says that. 

[D.Kain]

MACharlie1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Quick question: What would you have done with a 30 something year old Morinth who has discovered to be an AY since she had just killed a few people by melding?

Not keep her a secret. Tell everybody she is an AY. Tell her to hold herself together and not do it again because it brings pain to others. Teach everybody to love,care for her and respect the effort she is putting into keeping herself together.

So no jail/prison time? No form of deterrence or justice (for the families lets say). 

Prison/jail or punishment should happen after AY kills anyway/again. 

[RyuujinZERO]

D.Kain wrote...

Gh0st_00 wrote...

Thing is though, who says that the AY who live in seclusion are suffering?

Morinth says that. 

She never actually spent any time in seclusion though as memory serves 9I might be wrong). How'd she know?

[Gh0st_00]

D.Kain wrote...

Gh0st_00 wrote...


Thing is though, who says that the AY who live in seclusion are suffering?

Morinth says that. 

No, Morinth thinks that.

What Morinth thinks =/= what actually happens

[MACharlie1]

D.Kain wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Quick question: What would you have done with a 30 something year old Morinth who has discovered to be an AY since she had just killed a few people by melding?

Not keep her a secret. Tell everybody she is an AY. Tell her to hold herself together and not do it again because it brings pain to others. Teach everybody to love,care for her and respect the effort she is putting into keeping herself together.

So no jail/prison time? No form of deterrence or justice (for the families lets say). 

Prison/jail or punishment should happen after AY kills anyway/again. 

...which is what she was given in the game, dude. In fact, a monastary for killing a few people, is probably  a lot better then what a normal asari would get. 

[khordlambert]

dreman9999 wrote...

Gh0st_00 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

RyuujinZERO wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I already said that running is not freedom. Running when you are weak is also not that easy. 

But it IS possible. There is always a choice, but rarely is the right choice the easy choice.

How many more time. Ok YOU are given a choice: 

1) You die
2) You live a life that is worse than death
3) You kill other people so that you don't die and live a more or less interesting life.

So what makes my life any more valuable than the people I kill? How is making my life 'interesting' justification for taking away the lives of others? Who says they weren't troubled individuals trying to live a normal life?

Simple...Because it's you life...Your only life. Why would you or anyone want to suffer a life of endless suffering because you have to denie yourself of all the nature part of life? Would you really be able to hadle that burden of force self denial?

Why not? I do it every bloody day. No sex, no dating, nothing beyond talking to my family which she would've still been allowed. Living without sex is not the horrific challenge you make it out to be.

[D.Kain]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Gh0st_00 wrote...

Thing is though, who says that the AY who live in seclusion are suffering?

Morinth says that. 

She never actually spent any time in seclusion though as memory serves 9I might be wrong). How'd she know?

She thinks that not being free is worst than death. It is simple. And if I remember right she ran from seclusion. If she said right away that she doesn't want to go there she would be killed on the spot.

[D.Kain]

Gh0st_00 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Gh0st_00 wrote...


Thing is though, who says that the AY who live in seclusion are suffering?

Morinth says that. 

No, Morinth thinks that.

What Morinth thinks =/= what actually happens

So if you think that you hate cheese it is not actually happening. And if you are offered to eat only cheese to the rest of your life or die it's ok.

[RyuujinZERO]

D.Kain wrote...

She thinks that not being free is worst than death. It is simple. And if I remember right she ran from seclusion. If she said right away that she doesn't want to go there she would be killed on the spot.

So we're back to square one again but rephrased.

Why does her personal FEELINGS of freedom (let's be clear, this is her OPINION, not actual state of being) justify taking away the life and FREEDOM of innocent bystanders?

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Not really considering the choices the Asari had given her could of been a lot worse. Like killing her as soon as she was discovered to be an Ardat-Yakshi.

EVEN that would be more merciful for Morinth than going to seclusion. But she wasn't murdered on the spot.

[RyuujinZERO]

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Not really considering the choices the Asari had given her could of been a lot worse. Like killing her as soon as she was discovered to be an Ardat-Yakshi.

EVEN that would be more merciful for Morinth than going to seclusion. But she wasn't murdered on the spot.

All she had to do is lie down in front her mom at any point in the last 400 years if that was really her feelings.

[Gh0st_00]

D.Kain wrote...

Gh0st_00 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Gh0st_00 wrote...


Thing is though, who says that the AY who live in seclusion are suffering?

Morinth says that. 

No, Morinth thinks that.

What Morinth thinks =/= what actually happens

So if you think that you hate cheese it is not actually happening. And if you are offered to eat only cheese to the rest of your life or die it's ok.

If I think I hate cheese, then obviously I've never tried it before.
If Morinth thinks she hates seclusion, then obviously she doesn't know what it's actually like.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

D.Kain, couldn't she just run away and not kill anyone? You do know it is possible to live a life without having sex.  But she chose to kill, and that is why she is RESPONSIBLE.

Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 03 octobre 2011 - 04:42 .

[D.Kain]

khordlambert wrote...



Why not? I do it every bloody day. No sex, no dating, nothing beyond talking to my family which she would've still been allowed. Living without sex is not the horrific challenge you make it out to be.

That is not the main chalange for her. It is living in seclusion that is. 

[D.Kain]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

D.Kain, couldn't she just run away and not kill anyone? You do know it is possible to live a life without having sex.  But she chose to kill, and that is why she is RESPONSIBLE.

If it was the middle ages without communication and documents and other things then she probably could.

[ThePwener]

I think that having a Sex Vampire that can kill you for "Embracing Eternity" onboard your ship, is punishment enough. Add the fact that no matter what she has the hots for Shepard, it is a very bad situation to be in.

*cough* rape *cough*

If Jacob could squirm his way to the Captain's quarters without even EDI knowing (did she know?), then someone as smart, cunning and experienced in hiding her trail as Morinth wouldn't have much trouble in doing too.

don't be surprised if you wake up in ME3 to find her on top of you with... RAPE FACE!!!!

[Gh0st_00]

D.Kain wrote...

khordlambert wrote...



Why not? I do it every bloody day. No sex, no dating, nothing beyond talking to my family which she would've still been allowed. Living without sex is not the horrific challenge you make it out to be.

That is not the main chalange for her. It is living in seclusion that is. 

Like I said, how is that the problem? She never gave it a chance.