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[khordlambert]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Not really considering the choices the Asari had given her could of been a lot worse. Like killing her as soon as she was discovered to be an Ardat-Yakshi.

EVEN that would be more merciful for Morinth than going to seclusion. But she wasn't murdered on the spot.

Your idea of merciful is offensive. Like really offensive. How old are you?

20. That a very big deal?

Wow I kind of hate myself now.

Don't. I'm 22 and can tell you that Kain is not taking a good approach here.

[CuseGirl]

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I see that Dreman9999 completely understands what I am talking about and agrees with me. The only difference is he thinks that Morinth is lost and cannot change, so she must be put down out of mercy, where I want to defend her.

Not really.
I don't agree with you idea that the killing in not her fault. I fell that she is a fault and should be judge or confined for it. I just understand it was the limit of choice in her life that made her make that choice in life, being one choice would be to carry an extremely heavy burden and the other being able to truly live. She is not as big of a monster people make her out to be.. She is tragic. But I do fell that people have the freedom to do what ever they want in life but also is liable for any consequence of the choice they choose in life. Just because you have freedom does not mean you'll not get consequence for your actions.

No, Morinth's a monster. You meld with some1 one time, they die, you figure "freak accident, omg, how do I recover?" Then you realize this is a permanent unfixable issue after ur 4th meld partner bites the dust.....see? I even gave her 3 freebies. At that point, you can't be like "I can't control myself". Not when u devise plans to hunt ur partners, even dragging out the hunt (like the artist on Omega). It's not like she just meets people and it happens 1 out of 120 melds. She knows the outcome (its the same outcome over the last few centuries) and designs the outcome. 

Seclusion isn't good enuff. She had to die.

Modifié par CuseGirl, 03 octobre 2011 - 05:20 .

[D.Kain]

ThePwener wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

So when Morinth found out she and her sisters were Ardat Yakshi she had to make a choice from these options:

A) Go into a seclusion home with her sisters and live life without the temptation or opportunity of killing innocents. Which may confine her life, but It's better than option B and much better than going on a killing spree. So tough luck and deal with it  is my advice to Morinth, It's not our fault you're an AY is it.

Die... tempting but I think I'd rather take option A.

But nope, what does she do:
C) Run away and kill people. Selfish, heartless, cold-blooded psychopath much? 

You're taking it out of context. She escaped when she was an adolescent (asari years - around 50) or near adolescence.

How many teens have not escaped they're homes for far lower things? Put yourself in her shoes. She was young, rebellious and fed up with her confined life. I don't hold it against her wanting to be free. What I do look down upon is the manipulation, the killing and the drugs.

I think Morinth was about 16 by human standarts.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

So when Morinth found out she and her sisters were Ardat Yakshi she had to make a choice from these options:

A) Go into a seclusion home with her sisters and live life without the temptation or opportunity of killing innocents. Which may confine her life, but It's better than option B and much better than going on a killing spree. So tough luck and deal with it  is my advice to Morinth, It's not our fault you're an AY is it.

Die... tempting but I think I'd rather take option A.

But nope, what does she do:
C) Run away and kill people. Selfish, heartless, cold-blooded psychopath much? 

Oh sooo heartless. For Morinth A) is worse than , and is death. 

Heartless is whoever gave Morinth that choice in the first place. 

Why is Morinth above such choices to you? What makes her much better than her sisters?

Nothing makes her better. I don't know how her sisters hold it together. Those are two divine angels or something, not everybody can take it.

Modifié par D.Kain, 03 octobre 2011 - 05:22 .

[D.Kain]

Dunstan wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Dunstan wrote...

So when Morinth found out she and her sisters were Ardat Yakshi she had to make a choice from these options:

A) Go into a seclusion home with her sisters and live life without the temptation or opportunity of killing innocents. Which may confine her life, but It's better than option B and much better than going on a killing spree. So tough luck and deal with it  is my advice to Morinth, It's not our fault you're an AY is it.

Die... tempting but I think I'd rather take option A.

But nope, what does she do:
C) Run away and kill people. Selfish, heartless, cold-blooded psychopath much? 

Oh sooo heartless. For Morinth A) is worse than , and is death. 

Heartless is whoever gave Morinth that choice in the first place. 

So what if she thinks that option A is worse, tough ******. It's for the greater good.

Greater good means good for everybody. This is not greater good.

[dreman9999]

Dunstan wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Dunstan wrote...


Being in seclusion is different to being in prison.

For YOU yes. For Morinth it doesn't matter, not only that but both she considers to be worse than death.

So when Morinth found out she and her sisters were Ardat Yakshi she had to make a choice from these options:

A) Go into a seclusion home with her sisters and live life without the temptation or opportunity of killing innocents. Which may confine her life, but It's better than option B and much better than going on a killing spree. So tough luck and deal with it  is my advice to Morinth, It's not our fault you're an AY is it.

Die... tempting but I think I'd rather take option A.

But nope, what does she do:
C) Run away and kill people. Selfish, heartless, cold-blooded psychopath much? 

It's not so clear cut.
A. A life without freedom,intimacy or any real choice. And  prologing that life till death.
b.Die, which is the only cure for her condition.
C. Run away and live live life as Joyful  as possible at other peoples lives as the expence. And if you die, you at least go out in a bang....Your damed anyway.

[D.Kain]

CuseGirl wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I see that Dreman9999 completely understands what I am talking about and agrees with me. The only difference is he thinks that Morinth is lost and cannot change, so she must be put down out of mercy, where I want to defend her.

Not really.
I don't agree with you idea that the killing in not her fault. I fell that she is a fault and should be judge or confined for it. I just understand it was the limit of choice in her life that made her make that choice in life, being one choice would be to carry an extremely heavy burden and the other being able to truly live. She is not as big of a monster people make her out to be.. She is tragic. But I do fell that people have the freedom to do what ever they want in life but also is liable for any consequence of the choice they choose in life. Just because you have freedom does not mean you'll not get consequence for your actions.

No, Morinth's a monster. You meld with some1 one time, they die, you figure "freak accident, omg, how do I recover?" Then you realize this is a permanent unfixable issue after ur 4th meld partner bites the dust.....see? I even gave her 3 freebies. At that point, you can't be like "I can't control myself". Not when u devise plans to hunt ur partners, even dragging out the hunt (like the artist on Omega). It's not like she just meets people and it happens 1 out of 120 melds. She knows the outcome (its the same outcome over the last few centuries) and designs the outcome. 

Seclusion isn't good enuff. She had to die.

There is a better way. Asari were just to selfish.

[ThePwener]

D.Kain wrote...

Greater good means good for everybody. This is not greater good.

Where did you hear that? The entire phrase exists because some have to sacrifice themselves so others may continue on.

What happy world do you live in? It's the same with death-row inmates. Greater good, but not for the inmate.

[D.Kain]

jreezy wrote...

Actually it means good for a majority over good of the few.

Realise once and for all. lol. - Majority is made out of small minorities! You have to take into account EVERY minority to make a healthy society. Not periodically screw other people when they are in minority so they can screw you back when you are in minority.

[D.Kain]

Dunstan wrote...


Option A still seems like the right one to take though doesn't it.

If you are ok living a life that is worse than death then yes.

[ThePwener]

D.Kain wrote...

There is a better way. Asari were just to selfish.

then tell us oh wise one. What is the "better way"? Calling the Asari selfish for containing three potentially deadly individuals is selfish?

I call it tolerant. The Ardat-Yackshi have existed for thousands of years. They know they're nature, and it seems there is no way to fight it. Im surprised the option of seclusion is even there.

[D.Kain]

ThePwener wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

There is a better way. Asari were just to selfish.

then tell us oh wise one. What is the "better way"? Calling the Asari selfish for containing three potentially deadly individuals is selfish?

I call it tolerant. The Ardat-Yackshi have existed for thousands of years. They know they're nature, and it seems there is no way to fight it. Im surprised the option of seclusion is even there.

I already said what should be done a lot of times. People call it utopic, I call it common sense and getting along.

[dreman9999]

CuseGirl wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I see that Dreman9999 completely understands what I am talking about and agrees with me. The only difference is he thinks that Morinth is lost and cannot change, so she must be put down out of mercy, where I want to defend her.

Not really.
I don't agree with you idea that the killing in not her fault. I fell that she is a fault and should be judge or confined for it. I just understand it was the limit of choice in her life that made her make that choice in life, being one choice would be to carry an extremely heavy burden and the other being able to truly live. She is not as big of a monster people make her out to be.. She is tragic. But I do fell that people have the freedom to do what ever they want in life but also is liable for any consequence of the choice they choose in life. Just because you have freedom does not mean you'll not get consequence for your actions.

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No, Morinth's a monster. You meld with some1 one time, they die, you figure "freak accident, omg, how do I recover?" Then you realize this is a permanent unfixable issue after ur 4th meld partner bites the dust.....see? I even gave her 3 freebies. At that point, you can't be like "I can't control myself". Not when u devise plans to hunt ur partners, even dragging out the hunt (like the artist on Omega). It's not like she just meets people and it happens 1 out of 120 melds. She knows the outcome (its the same outcome over the last few centuries) and designs the outcome. 

Seclusion isn't good enuff. She had to die.

I did not say she was not a monster. I just understand, ifanyone of use had her burden, we may not take it so well as we say Mornith should have.
In truth, she is a monster, but her crime is gross neglect.  If she is as big of a monster peple said it would be much worse. It would not be her pertending she is being courted.....It would be more like silence of the lambs.

[ThePwener]

D.Kain wrote...

If you are ok living a life that is worse than death then yes.

How can you say that? Do you know what lies in the afterlife? I doubt it. You have to take Asari beliefs in the afterlife and death/life to account before taking that stance. The Asari took the option of seclusion because they deemed it the best course of action. You're just one radical going against the current.

[D.Kain]

ThePwener wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

If you are ok living a life that is worse than death then yes.

How can you say that? Do you know what lies in the afterlife? I doubt it. You have to take Asari beliefs in the afterlife and death/life to account before taking that stance. The Asari took the option of seclusion because they deemed it the best course of action. You're just one radical going against the current.

No Morinth is a radical that thinks that. I am just behind her.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

CuseGirl wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I see that Dreman9999 completely understands what I am talking about and agrees with me. The only difference is he thinks that Morinth is lost and cannot change, so she must be put down out of mercy, where I want to defend her.

Not really.
I don't agree with you idea that the killing in not her fault. I fell that she is a fault and should be judge or confined for it. I just understand it was the limit of choice in her life that made her make that choice in life, being one choice would be to carry an extremely heavy burden and the other being able to truly live. She is not as big of a monster people make her out to be.. She is tragic. But I do fell that people have the freedom to do what ever they want in life but also is liable for any consequence of the choice they choose in life. Just because you have freedom does not mean you'll not get consequence for your actions.

No, Morinth's a monster. You meld with some1 one time, they die, you figure "freak accident, omg, how do I recover?" Then you realize this is a permanent unfixable issue after ur 4th meld partner bites the dust.....see? I even gave her 3 freebies. At that point, you can't be like "I can't control myself". Not when u devise plans to hunt ur partners, even dragging out the hunt (like the artist on Omega). It's not like she just meets people and it happens 1 out of 120 melds. She knows the outcome (its the same outcome over the last few centuries) and designs the outcome. 

Seclusion isn't good enuff. She had to die.

There is a better way. Asari were just to selfish.

No, there is not.
The AY is the same salution of someone who has madness and have a hard time controlling themselves and can be a danger to themselves and other people. They dealt with AY much longer than human history. They know what may happen the best. The case is that they may succumb. Having an AY near people is like having a former crack addict locked in a room filled with crack.

[ThePwener]

D.Kain wrote...

No Morinth is a radical that thinks that. I am just behind her.

No, Morinth is a murder who uses those excuses to justify her way of life. You are a fool who believes her. She knew Shepard would die if she melded with him, yet she lied and tricked him into doing it. we know how that turned out.

Trickery and lies are her best tools for survival. She is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

[D.Kain]

ThePwener wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

No Morinth is a radical that thinks that. I am just behind her.

No, Morinth is a murder who uses those excuses to justify her way of life. You are a fool who believes her. She knew Shepard would die if she melded with him, yet she lied and tricked him into doing it. we know how that turned out.

Trickery and lies are her best tools for survival. She is a wolf in sheep's clothing.

Repeat after me:

She didn't want to kill Shepard. 
She didn't want to kill Shepard. 
She didn't want to kill Shepard. 

Good. Now.

She is a wolf alright but it's not her fault she became one.