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[KBomb]

D.Kain wrote...

I do, Morinth doesn't seem to me like one right now atleast.

Sociopaths are manipulative and use their charms to con people. Check! Morinth uses her charms to manipulate people into trusting her so that she can come in for the kill.

Sociopaths have no remorse or shame or feelings of guilt. Check! Morinth kills innocent people . She kills them with no regrets.

Sociopaths need constant stimulation. They often live on the edge of danger. Check! Morinth even tells Shepard she loves danger and lives for it.

These are just a few, I could go on. Also, if you studied psychology, then you would know that befriending does not medicate or treat mental disorders, nor does it cure or treat addiction or additive behaviors. To even suggest it is something a child would conceive of.

Modifié par KBomb, 03 octobre 2011 - 06:09 .

[D.Kain]

ThePwener wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Apostel Peter said that if you CAN live without a wife, do that, because it will bring greater fruit. And if you can't then marry.

Yeah, I follow God's teachings. If God didn't say it, I ain't doing it. Peter was Human, Jesus wasn't. One thing is not wanting a family, another is doing it out of duty (ignorance).

Peter followed his own vision, but that's it, it was his own, not God's.

Yeah I know. I study theology too.  

I do believe that Peter had a good relationship with God though, there is some wisdom in what he says. But I was just talking about people living a celebate life, that is all. I think I could live a calibate life too for the sake of others, but not if others treat me like I'm a killer.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

KBomb wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Maybe it will come to that. But I'm not doing that until I show her all sides of friendship and kill all the justicars that come for her.

There is no way you study psychology. You don’t even have a rudimentary understanding of someone who is a sociopath.

I do, Morinth doesn't seem to me like one right now atleast.

I can't say she is ether. She more like an addict with condescending issues and with some minor Megalomaniac traits.

[Sethan_1]

D.Kain wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

What Morinth desires is irrelevant.  She chooses to murder people, which makes her both a murderer and responsible for those murders.

That she chooses to do so because she would find her other choices unpleasant or inconvenient, makes her no less responsible, and no less a monster.

No it does.

So your argument is that we are not responsible for the choices we make if we don't like the consequences of the alternatives.

No legal system anywhere is going to agree with you, and  I can't say I do either.

[D.Kain]

KBomb wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

I do, Morinth doesn't seem to me like one right now atleast.

Sociopaths are manipulative and use their charms to con people. Check! Morinth uses her charms to manipulate people into trusting her so that she can come in for the kill.

Sociopaths have no remorse or shame or feelings of guilt. Check! Morinth kills innocent people . She kills them with no regrets.

Sociopaths need constant stimulation. They often live on the edge of danger. Check! Morinth even tells Shepard she loves danger and lives for it.

These are just a few, I could go on. Also, if you studied psychology, then you would know that befriending does not medicate or treat mental disorders, nor does it cure or treat addiction or additive behaviors. To even suggest it is something a child would conceive of.

People can treat different people differently. Morinth is not a sociopath. She is just acting according to the situation she is in.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

No, there is not.
The AY is the same salution of someone who has madness and have a hard time controlling themselves and can be a danger to themselves and other people. They dealt with AY much longer than human history. They know what may happen the best. The case is that they may succumb. Having an AY near people is like having a former crack addict locked in a room filled with crack.

I think that a healthy life is better than crack. Make it a different anology: There is crack in the room and there are also your friends and toys and books and a pool, a disco floor, a whole world to explore. And you know that once you open a bag of crack it is all going away.

You don't understand. Morniths problem is if she has sex with someone...THEY DIE.... To get to the level of sex you would need to be intimate with a person,(Or just pay them.). If she is near contact with another person constantly, that intimacy will grow into attraction. That attraction would make it harder or an AY to be with that someone because they would want them but can't have them  because they would die...... If you can understand being near someone your attracted to and care for but can't be with them...You'll understand how painful and madding that can be. The temptation to be with someone woulds make her life worse..Madding because of the fact that she could not be with the one she want because of her condition. Add on the fact at a flip of a switch, she could control their mind and have them without them apposing makes the temptation greater.
I'm using the crack addict comparison because of the great temptation an AY can have by being near someone, especially one they are attracted to.

I understand, but I could go around girls that I like and not have sex or intimacy if I knew it would be bad for them. I really CAN imagine that situation. But hey I can still listen to music and dance with my friends, go sparring or rollerblading or what not. It is a greater joy than living in a place where girls aren't present ( nobody is present ) I would go insane. 

Add on the fact that she can be attracted to anyone, any race and any sex..  That make the burden ten fold because she is unisexed.
That means if she had a relationship like you had with your friend....It would make things worse.

Modifié par dreman9999, 03 octobre 2011 - 06:15 .

[ThePwener]

KBomb wrote...

Sociopaths are manipulative and use their charms to con people. Check! Morinth uses her charms to manipulate people into trusting her so that she can come in for the kill.

Sociopaths have no remorse or shame or feelings of guilt. Check! Morinth kills innocent people . She kills them with no regrets.

Sociopaths need constant stimulation. They often live on the edge of danger. Check! Morinth even tells Shepard she loves danger and lives for it.

These are just a few, I could go on. Also, if you studied psychology, then you would know that befriending does not medicate or treat mental disorders, nor does it cure or treat addiction or additive behaviors. To even suggest it is something a child would conceive of.

Morinth is not a sociopath, she exhibits sociopathic tendencies. It's her way of life that has turned her into a monster, she was not born one.

And that 2nd one is never really explained. She told Shepard she never truly experienced the love of another. She seems to regret the kill, bur believes she needs it. 

[D.Kain]

Sethan_1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

What Morinth desires is irrelevant.  She chooses to murder people, which makes her both a murderer and responsible for those murders.

That she chooses to do so because she would find her other choices unpleasant or inconvenient, makes her no less responsible, and no less a monster.

No it does.

So your argument is that we are not responsible for the choices we make if we don't like the consequences of the alternatives.

No legal system anywhere is going to agree with you, and  I can't say I do either.

So by your logic when given a choice of kill or be killed, any normal person should die, because the alternative choice is bad.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

Add on the fact that she can be attracted to anyone, any race and any sex..  That make the burden ten fold because she is unisexed.
That means if she had a relationship like you had with your friend....It would make things worse.

Yes even if I would live in a fully woman society I could probably contain myself to not have intimacy if I knew it would kill those that I care for. Again given that there are plenty other things we can do together.

[dreman9999]

Sethan_1 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Sethan_1 wrote...

What Morinth desires is irrelevant.  She chooses to murder people, which makes her both a murderer and responsible for those murders.

That she chooses to do so because she would find her other choices unpleasant or inconvenient, makes her no less responsible, and no less a monster.

No it does.

So your argument is that we are not responsible for the choices we make if we don't like the consequences of the alternatives.

No legal system anywhere is going to agree with you, and  I can't say I do either.

I agree with Sethan on this. She is responsible, Even if the other choice is unpleasant.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...
I agree with Sethan on this. She is responsible, Even if the other choice is unpleasant.

Yeah.. I don't agree. 

[ThePwener]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Add on the fact that she can be attracted to anyone, any race and any sex..  That make the burden ten fold because she is unisexed.
That means if she had a relationship like you had with your friend....It would make things worse.

Yes even if I would live in a fully woman society I could probably contain myself to not have intimacy if I knew it would kill those that I care for. Again given that there are plenty other things we can do together.

You're all putting yourself in fantastical situations and pretend to know how you'd act in them. Matter of fact is, you don't know how you'd react. Im inclined to say you'd all fail.

[D.Kain]

ThePwener wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Add on the fact that she can be attracted to anyone, any race and any sex..  That make the burden ten fold because she is unisexed.
That means if she had a relationship like you had with your friend....It would make things worse.

Yes even if I would live in a fully woman society I could probably contain myself to not have intimacy if I knew it would kill those that I care for. Again given that there are plenty other things we can do together.

You're all putting yourself in fantastical situations and pretend to know how you'd act in them. Matter of fact is, you don't know how you'd react. Im inclined to say you'd all fail.

Maybe. But I would be ok to sign a paper of my termination if I fail. But if I would be put in prison without even given a chance I would be pissed of. 
Have all AY get a bomb attached to them that kills them if they have sex.

Modifié par D.Kain, 03 octobre 2011 - 06:21 .

[KBomb]

D.Kain wrote...

People can treat different people differently. Morinth is not a sociopath. She is just acting according to the situation she is in.

Study psychology eh? No mental illness can be treated with friendship. Morinth is a serial killer and you think showing her friendship will treat this? Yeah, you don’t study it.

Also, Morinth fits the sociopathic profile. Anyone who has even read a book about psycology would know that.
Anyone who studies psychology would also understand profiling and would no doubt know about serial killers and the psychological profiling of them.

[ThePwener]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I agree with Sethan on this. She is responsible, Even if the other choice is unpleasant.

Yeah.. I don't agree. 

You're as crazy as she is if you believe she is not responsible. By your logic, if somone suffers from schizophrenia and kills someone, that person shouldn't be held responsible and let free because he suffers from a special condition.

[D.Kain]

KBomb wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

People can treat different people differently. Morinth is not a sociopath. She is just acting according to the situation she is in.

Study psychology eh? No mental illness can be treated with friendship. Morinth is a serial killer and you think showing her friendship will treat this? Yeah, you don’t study it.

Also, Morinth fits the sociopathic profile. Anyone who has even read a book about psycology would know that.
Anyone who studies psychology would also understand profiling and would no doubt know about serial killers and the psychological profiling of them.

Morinth is absolutely rational and well. She has NO mental ilness. 

[khordlambert]

D.Kain wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Add on the fact that she can be attracted to anyone, any race and any sex..  That make the burden ten fold because she is unisexed.
That means if she had a relationship like you had with your friend....It would make things worse.

Yes even if I would live in a fully woman society I could probably contain myself to not have intimacy if I knew it would kill those that I care for. Again given that there are plenty other things we can do together.

You're all putting yourself in fantastical situations and pretend to know how you'd act in them. Matter of fact is, you don't know how you'd react. Im inclined to say you'd all fail.

Maybe. But I would be ok to sign a paper of my termination if I fail. But if I would be put in prison without even given a chance I would be pissed of. 
Have all AY get a bomb attached to them that kills them if they have sex.

...And how the heck is that any better than the current situation!? What's stopping them from going to the black market to disable the bombs!? Or what if the bomb is a dud!? Or the optentiall civillian casulties if the bomb is too strong!?

[D.Kain]

ThePwener wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I agree with Sethan on this. She is responsible, Even if the other choice is unpleasant.

Yeah.. I don't agree. 

You're as crazy as she is if you believe she is not responsible. By your logic, if somone suffers from schizophrenia and kills someone, that person shouldn't be held responsible and let free because he suffers from a special condition.

No that person should be dealt with. But that person shouldn't be put into prison BEFORE he does anything wrong.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Add on the fact that she can be attracted to anyone, any race and any sex..  That make the burden ten fold because she is unisexed.
That means if she had a relationship like you had with your friend....It would make things worse.

Yes even if I would live in a fully woman society I could probably contain myself to not have intimacy if I knew it would kill those that I care for. Again given that there are plenty other things we can do together.

No, you would not. You would go mad from the temptation. It's one thing to say it if your not under it, it another thing to say that if you were under the full burden. I understand the nature of intelligent being to understand that any fight they have with their natural instincts, if held for a long time, they would lose. Your always logical when you have an empty bladder, but with a full one your never can think strait until it's relived. If she is constantly around people she is attracted to and she is ex starved....her instinct to have sex  lean on she till she id overwhelmed especially if she is addicted. Someone at her weakest, she will lose out to her instincts.

[khordlambert]

D.Kain wrote...

KBomb wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

People can treat different people differently. Morinth is not a sociopath. She is just acting according to the situation she is in.

Study psychology eh? No mental illness can be treated with friendship. Morinth is a serial killer and you think showing her friendship will treat this? Yeah, you don’t study it.

Also, Morinth fits the sociopathic profile. Anyone who has even read a book about psycology would know that.
Anyone who studies psychology would also understand profiling and would no doubt know about serial killers and the psychological profiling of them.

Morinth is absolutely rational and well. She has NO mental ilness. 

SHE'S A BLOODY ADDICT! SHE KILLS PEOPLE WITHOUT REGRET! SHE IS CONSTANTLY MIND MELDING WITH PEOPLE DESPITE THE FACT SHE KNOWS IT 
WILL KILL THEM! MENTALY HEALTHY PEOPLE DO NOT DO THIS!

Modifié par khordlambert, 03 octobre 2011 - 06:26 .

[D.Kain]

khordlambert wrote...

...And how the heck is that any better than the current situation!? What's stopping them from going to the black market to disable the bombs!? Or what if the bomb is a dud!? Or the optentiall civillian casulties if the bomb is too strong!?

How about a small bomb in the brain? Carring society would stop them from disabeling it.

[D.Kain]

khordlambert wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

KBomb wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

People can treat different people differently. Morinth is not a sociopath. She is just acting according to the situation she is in.

Study psychology eh? No mental illness can be treated with friendship. Morinth is a serial killer and you think showing her friendship will treat this? Yeah, you don’t study it.

Also, Morinth fits the sociopathic profile. Anyone who has even read a book about psycology would know that.
Anyone who studies psychology would also understand profiling and would no doubt know about serial killers and the psychological profiling of them.

Morinth is absolutely rational and well. She has NO mental ilness. 

SHE'S A BLOODY ADDICT! SHE KILLS PEOPLE WITHOUT REGRET! SHE IS CONSTANTLY MIND MELDING WITH PEOPLE DESPITE THE FACT SHE KNOWS IT WILL KILL THEM! MENTALY HEALTHY PEOPLE DO NOT DO THIS!

Oh they can, if they are treated like sh*t.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
I agree with Sethan on this. She is responsible, Even if the other choice is unpleasant.

Yeah.. I don't agree. 

Oh,yes... So drunk drives are not responsible for killing anyone in a car accident because they were not thinking stright?

[KBomb]

ThePwener wrote...

Morinth is not a sociopath, she exhibits sociopathic tendencies. It's her way of life that has turned her into a monster, she was not born one.

And that 2nd one is never really explained. She told Shepard she never truly experienced the love of another. She seems to regret the kill, bur believes she needs it. 

Did she feel guilt, or what she manipulating Shepard even then? She does not regret. She doesn’t kill these people instantly--which she most certainly could. She stalks them, gets to know them and waits until they form an attachment to her. Only then does she kill them. That isn’t someone who shows guilt or shame. That goes beyond sociopathic tendencies. That goes beyond someone who has any sort of conscience.