Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
He's starting to make me feel that the Americans were entirely right about anyone born under Communism.ThePwener wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Please restate what your saying.
Yeah, he's starting to make absolutely no sense. I'm just laughing it up at this point.
D.Kain wrote...
Sethan_1 wrote...
So your argument is that we are not responsible for the choices we make if we don't like the consequences of the alternatives.
No legal system anywhere is going to agree with you, and I can't say I do either.
So by your logic when given a choice of kill or be killed, any normal person should die, because the alternative choice is bad.
Modifié par Sethan_1, 03 octobre 2011 - 07:35 .
jreezy wrote...
"I am the genetic destiny of the Asari." What's so hard to understand here?D.Kain wrote...
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
Rasism is not justified. What they wanted was inslave other people to surve them, because they were so much greater.
No, they wanted to eradicate those they deemed inferior. It wasn't enslavement, it was an extermination. Forced labor wasjust a temporary perk.
Thing is, Morinth shares this view. She, in her madness, claimed that Ardat-Yackshi were the future of the Asari. We know this to be false, but the similarities are there.
Godwin's law got fulfilled, but wathever.
We have yet to find out what that statement, she made, was all about.
DAMN IT. It's very hard for me to judge when she is just being treated unfair. I can't blame her because she is in a sh*itty possition. If she was a murderer AFTER she was given the freedom she wanted I would completely agree with all of you, kill her helping Samara and be done with it....
I'm sorry. So they should let her free with no way to monitor her? You can say that you can have someone watch her, but who can control someone who can control other peoples minds. Tagging her would be the same thing as isolation her, add in the fact that it very hard to be around other people becauseof her condition,the fact the attaction to other people, the temptation, and the madding delema of not wanting to be near hing that stur lust.D.Kain wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
She can be kill justifiably now. The first time she killed, they
understand that it was not her fault and tried to ease the condition as
mush as possible for her. She ran and kill many people knowing her
condition. Meaning what ever punishment is given is justifiable now.
They shouldn't have given her the choice they gave her. It just doesn't work... Her running away proves it doesn't work. They could hunt her after ANOTHER victim when she knew her condition.
D.Kain wrote...
We have yet to find out what that statement, she made, was all about.
DAMN IT. It's very hard for me to judge when she is just being treated unfair. I can't blame her because she is in a sh*itty possition. If she was a murderer AFTER she was given the freedom she wanted I would completely agree with all of you, kill her helping Samara and be done with it....
khordlambert wrote...
Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
He's starting to make me feel that the Americans were entirely right about anyone born under Communism.ThePwener wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
Please restate what your saying.
Yeah, he's starting to make absolutely no sense. I'm just laughing it up at this point.
Not really. Communism is all about the good of the whole over that of the few. Kain doesn't really seem to get that.
I think the comment is tide to the time she was treated as a godess.jreezy wrote...
"I am the genetic destiny of the Asari." What's so hard to understand here?D.Kain wrote...
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
Rasism is not justified. What they wanted was inslave other people to surve them, because they were so much greater.
No, they wanted to eradicate those they deemed inferior. It wasn't enslavement, it was an extermination. Forced labor wasjust a temporary perk.
Thing is, Morinth shares this view. She, in her madness, claimed that Ardat-Yackshi were the future of the Asari. We know this to be false, but the similarities are there.
Godwin's law got fulfilled, but wathever.
We have yet to find out what that statement, she made, was all about.
DAMN IT. It's very hard for me to judge when she is just being treated unfair. I can't blame her because she is in a sh*itty possition. If she was a murderer AFTER she was given the freedom she wanted I would completely agree with all of you, kill her helping Samara and be done with it....
D.Kain wrote...
That I don't know sh*t about what it means....
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
We have yet to find out what that statement, she made, was all about.
DAMN IT. It's very hard for me to judge when she is just being treated unfair. I can't blame her because she is in a sh*itty possition. If she was a murderer AFTER she was given the freedom she wanted I would completely agree with all of you, kill her helping Samara and be done with it....
She was weak. She could have fought it but was a coward and decided to run. She's in that position and she deserves what comes her way. You can't go around the galaxy killing and partying with no consequence.
ardat-yackshi or not, she must face the music and pay for her crimes. You can disagree all you want, but everyone being against you should tell you enough. The majority rules, motion passed. OFF WITH HER HEAD!!!
Sethan_1 wrote...
Nope - by my logic, you are responsible for the consequences of the choices you make. Given a choice between killing or being killed, if you choose to kill, then you are responsible for the consequences of that choice. Shepherd is responsible for the deaths of the 305,000 Batarians because he chose to push the button knowing they would die. He is put on trial for this at the beginning of ME3 precisely because he is responsible. Whether you should kill when faced with the choice to do so or not is a moral decision. Morinth kills for enjoyment (i.e., selfish/evil reasons). In character, a Paragon Shepherd chooses to kill the Batarians because doing so serves the greater good (foiling the imminent Reaper invasion). Whether that choice is justifiable is something to be determined at his trial.*
Kill or be killed is however, not the choice Morinth faces until the very end.
Prior to that she was simply choosing to kill, and was rarely at personal risk (Samara states before going after her on Omega, that this is the closest she's ever been to catching Morinth - and we know Samara has been pursuing her for 400 years).
Prior to that, Morinth was given a choice of doing something she preferred to not, or living on the run. She chose to live on the run, she takes the responsibility for that choice. While on the run, she chooses to murder people, which is another series of choices. ...choices which her seclusion in the monastery was specifically designed to prevent her from having to make. All the people Morinth killed later died precisely because Morinth preferred that they die. The choices she makes at the beginning and at each step of the way, make her responsible for all of the deaths both indirectly and directly.
* Off topic a bit: What would have been much more interesting for Arrival, is if the mission was only available after the Suicide Mission, and you were actually given a choice as to whether or not to kill the Batarians. If Shepherd chooses to not kill them, maybe the Reapers show up on schedule. Maybe they don't. Then in ME3, if Shepherd chose to destroy the relay, have Harbinger tell Shepherd that it was all a ruse and the Batarians died for nothing (even if it wasn't a ruse). If he chose to not destroy it and the Reapers did come through it on time, send an indoctrinated Batarian to describe the horrors of the Reaper invasion of that system to Shepherd. Either way, a nice bit of psychological warfare. To keep players from knowing which way things went and reloading to get the desired mission result, don't reveal whether the Reapers came through the Relay (if left intact) until ME3.
D.Kain wrote...
The whole is made of many few, you don't seem to get that.
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
We have yet to find out what that statement, she made, was all about.
DAMN IT. It's very hard for me to judge when she is just being treated unfair. I can't blame her because she is in a sh*itty possition. If she was a murderer AFTER she was given the freedom she wanted I would completely agree with all of you, kill her helping Samara and be done with it....
She was weak. She could have fought it but was a coward and decided to run. She's in that position and she deserves what comes her way. You can't go around the galaxy killing and partying with no consequence.
ardat-yackshi or not, she must face the music and pay for her crimes. You can disagree all you want, but everyone being against you should tell you enough. The majority rules, motion passed. OFF WITH HER HEAD!!!
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Probably. Saying it at that point was pretty idiotic though since she should know she can't have children.dreman9999 wrote...
I think the comment is tide to the time she was treated as a godess.
No, it more of the fact that she is just saying she is the true face of Asari.ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
That I don't know sh*t about what it means....
Don't play coy, you know exactly what it means. She's justifying her actions with absurd excuses. She knows that what she is and what she does is wrong, yet she continues to do it.
Fool yourself all you want, but that's the truth.
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
The whole is made of many few, you don't seem to get that.
Yet another post by BSN's very own D.kain that makes absolutely no sense at all......
D.Kain wrote...
Morinth is making all of those choices under the pressure of death, how can they be good?
I don't think she ment it in a way of not having children. More of a face of doom.jreezy wrote...
Probably. Saying it at that point was pretty idiotic though since she should know she can't have children.dreman9999 wrote...
I think the comment is tide to the time she was treated as a godess.
Modifié par dreman9999, 03 octobre 2011 - 07:45 .
D.Kain wrote...
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
The whole is made of many few, you don't seem to get that.
Yet another post by BSN's very own D.kain that makes absolutely no sense at all......
And why doesn't it make sense?
As I stated before....Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
We have yet to find out what that statement, she made, was all about.
DAMN IT. It's very hard for me to judge when she is just being treated unfair. I can't blame her because she is in a sh*itty possition. If she was a murderer AFTER she was given the freedom she wanted I would completely agree with all of you, kill her helping Samara and be done with it....
She was weak. She could have fought it but was a coward and decided to run. She's in that position and she deserves what comes her way. You can't go around the galaxy killing and partying with no consequence.
ardat-yackshi or not, she must face the music and pay for her crimes. You can disagree all you want, but everyone being against you should tell you enough. The majority rules, motion passed. OFF WITH HER HEAD!!!
I vote Mr. Pwener for commissar.
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
Morinth is making all of those choices under the pressure of death, how can they be good?
So she kills because they want her dead because she kills? Makes perfect sense!
But that's beacuse she ran away after killing and started killing.D.Kain wrote...
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
Morinth is making all of those choices under the pressure of death, how can they be good?
So she kills because they want her dead because she kills? Makes perfect sense!
Because they started to hunt her like she already kills before she even started.
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
The whole is made of many few, you don't seem to get that.
Yet another post by BSN's very own D.kain that makes absolutely no sense at all......
And why doesn't it make sense?
I can't explain it..... because is makes no sense. ow can the majority be made of many few? It's the majority, that's it.
My God-Emperor I canD.Kain wrote...
ThePwener wrote...
D.Kain wrote...
Morinth is making all of those choices under the pressure of death, how can they be good?
So she kills because they want her dead because she kills? Makes perfect sense!
Because they started to hunt her like she already kills before she even started.
D.Kain wrote...
Seriously though people. Let's wait for ME3 and see. If Morinth turns out to be what you say she is I will apologize to you guys and think more careful next time. If I will be able to do what I want to do in ME3 in regards to asari laws and her then I will be happy.
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