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[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

No they get their power from hurting themselves and there is nothing wrong with making deals, one just has to know what he is doing. I played a blood mage and made quite a few deals, I didn't go on a rampage nor did I sacrafice others to fuel my magic, unless it was enemies. 

Actually your half wrong. Blood mages CAN hurt themselves for power but they also kill other for power. 

Talking about replying to specific sentences. 

But I said that I played a blood mage and didn't do that, nor did I appreciate anyone do that.

You were still wrong. You said they get there power from hurting themselves and you were half wrong. Also did you say there was nothing wrong with making deals with demons? Nearly every single time the main character makes a deal with a demon someone else always gets screwed over.

[dreman9999]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No, the main reason being a blood mageis because the chartary villinised them with the story of the black city....Say..."Blood magic started the blights."
Blood magic is just like any weapon, it's the person who kill not the tool. And any tool can be dangerous. The blood mage law is an over reaction. The case with the AY is that they run they are chased....If they kill after they run, they are hunted. If they don't kill, know one can find them anyway.

I'm getting my info about the Blood mage capability from both the Codex and Templars. The Templars knows the power and ability of Blood mages. Cullen specifically tells you the reasons why they are so dangerous. They are villainised of course but they are villainised to prevent people from every trying to be a blood mage. Remember the practical reasons for going after them are right.

Also you forget Blood Magic is acquired through demons most of the time if not all. That is another reason why they go after Blood mages. Blood Mages do very dangerous things to get there ability and very few can get off scot clean from dealing with demons for the power. Blood Mages aren't inherently bad but there power should be illegal simply because its like letting a small group of people run away with mind control. There abilities are not hyperbole since we see them use it many times in game. 

Samara seems to believe that Morinth left to keep killing. It is likely Morinth had killed after she left Thessia. With AY when they kill they will keep killing. After that they must be killed no matter what.

So what. Blood magic was not made illegal ontil years after the first blight. Yes, it dangerous, but anything can kill yo ujust the same.

As for Samara hunt Mornith...She was only able to find her because Mornith kill agein.....If she did not....She would not be fould.

Blood magic can basically take away free will of anyone and you have to deal with demons to become a blood mage. Seriously I listed mutliple reasons why its very dangerous and I seem to have to repeat myself. Hell if a blood mage existed today he could theoretically get past secret service at the white house and hold the president hostage by using the secret service as mind controlled thralls. 

Yes but Morinth didn't just not kill she kept killing showing that she ran away solely to keep killing and it took a Justicar allying with a Spectre to kill her. Morinth is an example of what happens when a AY goes bad. Now think about what would happen if Morinth actually wanted to do some damage to the Asari or any other race in Citadel Space? Morinth is one AY running loose and killing. She doesn't even have any other aspirations other than killing. Morinth has no ambition but it took centuries to kill her. More than one AY loose can cause a lot of problems that the Asari couldn't contain unless they bring Spectres into it. At that point  the situation is out of control.

Exactly, she kill any way and is at fault for killing. I agree with punishing her for her crimes.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

Blood magic can basically take away free will of anyone and you have to deal with demons to become a blood mage. Seriously I listed mutliple reasons why its very dangerous and I seem to have to repeat myself. Hell if a blood mage existed today he could theoretically get past secret service at the white house and hold the president hostage by using the secret service as mind controlled thralls. 

Yes but Morinth didn't just not kill she kept killing showing that she ran away solely to keep killing and it took a Justicar allying with a Spectre to kill her. Morinth is an example of what happens when a AY goes bad. Now think about what would happen if Morinth actually wanted to do some damage to the Asari or any other race in Citadel Space? Morinth is one AY running loose and killing. She doesn't even have any other aspirations other than killing. Morinth has no ambition but it took centuries to kill her. More than one AY loose can cause a lot of problems that the Asari couldn't contain unless they bring Spectres into it. At that point  the situation is out of control.

It doesn't matter if it is dangerous. Just be careful! 

Morinth didn't ran away to solely keep killing. She couldn't even KEEP killing since she didn't start yet. Morinth is an example of how asari society is screwed up. It would surve the asari right if Morinth did something big.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

No they get their power from hurting themselves and there is nothing wrong with making deals, one just has to know what he is doing. I played a blood mage and made quite a few deals, I didn't go on a rampage nor did I sacrafice others to fuel my magic, unless it was enemies. 

Actually your half wrong. Blood mages CAN hurt themselves for power but they also kill other for power. 

Talking about replying to specific sentences. 

But I said that I played a blood mage and didn't do that, nor did I appreciate anyone do that.

You were still wrong. You said they get there power from hurting themselves and you were half wrong. Also did you say there was nothing wrong with making deals with demons? Nearly every single time the main character makes a deal with a demon someone else always gets screwed over.

Demons are just creatures. Communicating with them is ok. In my game nobody got screwed up because of my deals. I learned blood magic from a desire demon at the same time making her leave conor FOREVER.

[dreman9999]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're kidding, blood mages get their power from KILLING PEOPLE, and from making deals with demons in the Fade, who if you recall all hate the normal world and want to destroy it as best they can. But we're getting off-topic.

No they get their power from hurting themselves and there is nothing wrong with making deals, one just has to know what he is doing. I played a blood mage and made quite a few deals, I didn't go on a rampage nor did I sacrafice others to fuel my magic, unless it was enemies. 

Actually, if you recall Redcliffe in DA:O, that one blood mage needs the blood of someone ELSE to do the ritual. And, from a metagaming standpoint, some of the powers use the health of other team members to heal the castor.

No one said they did not do that. We just said it was not the only thing they do.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Blood magic can basically take away free will of anyone and you have to deal with demons to become a blood mage. Seriously I listed mutliple reasons why its very dangerous and I seem to have to repeat myself. Hell if a blood mage existed today he could theoretically get past secret service at the white house and hold the president hostage by using the secret service as mind controlled thralls. 

Yes but Morinth didn't just not kill she kept killing showing that she ran away solely to keep killing and it took a Justicar allying with a Spectre to kill her. Morinth is an example of what happens when a AY goes bad. Now think about what would happen if Morinth actually wanted to do some damage to the Asari or any other race in Citadel Space? Morinth is one AY running loose and killing. She doesn't even have any other aspirations other than killing. Morinth has no ambition but it took centuries to kill her. More than one AY loose can cause a lot of problems that the Asari couldn't contain unless they bring Spectres into it. At that point  the situation is out of control.

It doesn't matter if it is dangerous. Just be careful! 

Morinth didn't ran away to solely keep killing. She couldn't even KEEP killing since she didn't start yet. Morinth is an example of how asari society is screwed up. It would surve the asari right if Morinth did something big.

Dying like the pathetic monster she is is a pretty big service to the universe.
I help her achieve that goal every time.

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're kidding, blood mages get their power from KILLING PEOPLE, and from making deals with demons in the Fade, who if you recall all hate the normal world and want to destroy it as best they can. But we're getting off-topic.

No they get their power from hurting themselves and there is nothing wrong with making deals, one just has to know what he is doing. I played a blood mage and made quite a few deals, I didn't go on a rampage nor did I sacrafice others to fuel my magic, unless it was enemies. 

Actually, if you recall Redcliffe in DA:O, that one blood mage needs the blood of someone ELSE to do the ritual. And, from a metagaming standpoint, some of the powers use the health of other team members to heal the castor.

That's why I went to the circle for lyrium. Didn't prevent my deal with the demon.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

No they get their power from hurting themselves and there is nothing wrong with making deals, one just has to know what he is doing. I played a blood mage and made quite a few deals, I didn't go on a rampage nor did I sacrafice others to fuel my magic, unless it was enemies. 

Actually your half wrong. Blood mages CAN hurt themselves for power but they also kill other for power. 

Talking about replying to specific sentences. 

But I said that I played a blood mage and didn't do that, nor did I appreciate anyone do that.

You were still wrong. You said they get there power from hurting themselves and you were half wrong. Also did you say there was nothing wrong with making deals with demons? Nearly every single time the main character makes a deal with a demon someone else always gets screwed over.

Demons are just creatures. Communicating with them is ok. In my game nobody got screwed up because of my deals. I learned blood magic from a desire demon at the same time making her leave conor FOREVER.

Sure...Justlike the demon Merril wastrying to realse.... That worked out all right.

[D.Kain]

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

No they get their power from hurting themselves and there is nothing wrong with making deals, one just has to know what he is doing. I played a blood mage and made quite a few deals, I didn't go on a rampage nor did I sacrafice others to fuel my magic, unless it was enemies. 

Actually your half wrong. Blood mages CAN hurt themselves for power but they also kill other for power. 

Talking about replying to specific sentences. 

But I said that I played a blood mage and didn't do that, nor did I appreciate anyone do that.

You were still wrong. You said they get there power from hurting themselves and you were half wrong. Also did you say there was nothing wrong with making deals with demons? Nearly every single time the main character makes a deal with a demon someone else always gets screwed over.

Demons are just creatures. Communicating with them is ok. In my game nobody got screwed up because of my deals. I learned blood magic from a desire demon at the same time making her leave conor FOREVER.

Sure...Justlike the demon Merril wastrying to realse.... That worked out all right.

It could if the Keeper that didn't know sh*t spoil everything. Merrill could have done things differently. Could she die? Yes, that is her business. 

[1136342t54_]

dreman9999 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

You're kidding, blood mages get their power from KILLING PEOPLE, and from making deals with demons in the Fade, who if you recall all hate the normal world and want to destroy it as best they can. But we're getting off-topic.

No they get their power from hurting themselves and there is nothing wrong with making deals, one just has to know what he is doing. I played a blood mage and made quite a few deals, I didn't go on a rampage nor did I sacrafice others to fuel my magic, unless it was enemies. 

Actually, if you recall Redcliffe in DA:O, that one blood mage needs the blood of someone ELSE to do the ritual. And, from a metagaming standpoint, some of the powers use the health of other team members to heal the castor.

No one said they did not do that. We just said it was not the only thing they do.

D.Kain did and doesn't even deny it.

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

Blood magic can basically take away free will of anyone and you have to deal with demons to become a blood mage. Seriously I listed mutliple reasons why its very dangerous and I seem to have to repeat myself. Hell if a blood mage existed today he could theoretically get past secret service at the white house and hold the president hostage by using the secret service as mind controlled thralls. 

Yes but Morinth didn't just not kill she kept killing showing that she ran away solely to keep killing and it took a Justicar allying with a Spectre to kill her. Morinth is an example of what happens when a AY goes bad. Now think about what would happen if Morinth actually wanted to do some damage to the Asari or any other race in Citadel Space? Morinth is one AY running loose and killing. She doesn't even have any other aspirations other than killing. Morinth has no ambition but it took centuries to kill her. More than one AY loose can cause a lot of problems that the Asari couldn't contain unless they bring Spectres into it. At that point  the situation is out of control.

It doesn't matter if it is dangerous. Just be careful! 

Morinth didn't ran away to solely keep killing. She couldn't even KEEP killing since she didn't start yet. Morinth is an example of how asari society is screwed up. It would surve the asari right if Morinth did something big.

By making sure that other people don't fall victem to the AY condistion if the AY can't control themselves?

Modifié par dreman9999, 04 octobre 2011 - 01:59 .

[1136342t54_]

D.Kain wrote...
It could if the Keeper that didn't know sh*t spoil everything. Merrill could have done things differently. Could she die? Yes, that is her business. 

Keeper found out from the Demon itself that its plan was to take over Merrill.

[1136342t54_]

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 04 octobre 2011 - 02:03 .

[dreman9999]

D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

No they get their power from hurting themselves and there is nothing wrong with making deals, one just has to know what he is doing. I played a blood mage and made quite a few deals, I didn't go on a rampage nor did I sacrafice others to fuel my magic, unless it was enemies. 

Actually your half wrong. Blood mages CAN hurt themselves for power but they also kill other for power. 

Talking about replying to specific sentences. 

But I said that I played a blood mage and didn't do that, nor did I appreciate anyone do that.

You were still wrong. You said they get there power from hurting themselves and you were half wrong. Also did you say there was nothing wrong with making deals with demons? Nearly every single time the main character makes a deal with a demon someone else always gets screwed over.

Demons are just creatures. Communicating with them is ok. In my game nobody got screwed up because of my deals. I learned blood magic from a desire demon at the same time making her leave conor FOREVER.

Sure...Justlike the demon Merril wastrying to realse.... That worked out all right.

It could if the Keeper that didn't know sh*t spoil everything. Merrill could have done things differently. Could she die? Yes, that is her business. 

Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.

[1136342t54_]

dreman9999 wrote...Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.

You forget that D.Kain believes that Demons are basically benevolent beings that will do anything you want.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

D.Kain did and doesn't even deny it.

How do you manage to do it??? I never said that! What I said is that I made a deal with a demon, saved conor and used lyrium for the ritual!

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.

You forget that D.Kain believes that Demons are basically benevolent beings that will do anything you want.

No they are like people, you can interact with them. And you can be friends with them, and you can make fair deals that make everyone happy.

[1136342t54_]

Okay I'm not arguing with D.Kain anymore. Just by saying you can be friends with demons just takes the cake.

[BlueMagitek]

D.Kain wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

You really are stupid.
A pity.
I'm done dealing with D.Kain's stupidity bye sane people (Everybody here but D.Kain)

Right, no answer to a good argument?

You're one to talk.  You've left countless replies unanswered throughout the ninety or so pages.

Now, as for your deals with demons?  Read the text, you're strong arming them into working for you; that isn't a "fair" deal at all.

[D.Kain]

1136342t54 wrote...

Okay I'm not arguing with D.Kain anymore. Just by saying you can be friends with demons just takes the cake.

And why not? Justice seemed ok, some of the desire ones seemed ok. You just have to be rational about it.

[D.Kain]

BlueMagitek wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

You really are stupid.
A pity.
I'm done dealing with D.Kain's stupidity bye sane people (Everybody here but D.Kain)

Right, no answer to a good argument?

You're one to talk.  You've left countless replies unanswered throughout the ninety or so pages.

Now, as for your deals with demons?  Read the text, you're strong arming them into working for you; that isn't a "fair" deal at all.

Like I can reply to 6 people writing to me at once alone, and not miss anything.

I don't get them to work for me I make deals.

[BlueMagitek]

The desire ones seem okay? The ****!?

The Desire Demons that you interact with are either soul sucking a person or have already killed a large number of people, mutilated others and then raised their corpses?

[D.Kain]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.

You forget that D.Kain believes that Demons are basically benevolent beings that will do anything you want.

No they are like people, you can interact with them. And you can be friends with them, and you can make fair deals that make everyone happy.

Look at what the codex says about demons, then read your post.

Also, this has nothing to do with Morinth.

Sure offtopic..