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The desire ones seem okay? The ****!?

The Desire Demons that you interact with are either soul sucking a person or have already killed a large number of people, mutilated others and then raised their corpses?


Off topic. 

Just give me a link to the thread were it should be discussed if you want to continue.

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dreman9999 wrote...

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Blood magic can basically take away free will of anyone and you have to deal with demons to become a blood mage. Seriously I listed mutliple reasons why its very dangerous and I seem to have to repeat myself. Hell if a blood mage existed today he could theoretically get past secret service at the white house and hold the president hostage by using the secret service as mind controlled thralls. 

Yes but Morinth didn't just not kill she kept killing showing that she ran away solely to keep killing and it took a Justicar allying with a Spectre to kill her. Morinth is an example of what happens when a AY goes bad. Now think about what would happen if Morinth actually wanted to do some damage to the Asari or any other race in Citadel Space? Morinth is one AY running loose and killing. She doesn't even have any other aspirations other than killing. Morinth has no ambition but it took centuries to kill her. More than one AY loose can cause a lot of problems that the Asari couldn't contain unless they bring Spectres into it. At that point  the situation is out of control.

It doesn't matter if it is dangerous. Just be careful! 

Morinth didn't ran away to solely keep killing. She couldn't even KEEP killing since she didn't start yet. Morinth is an example of how asari society is screwed up. It would surve the asari right if Morinth did something big.

By making sure that other people don't fall victem to the AY condistion if the AY can't control themselves?


AY can control themselves.

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wow nearly 100 pages

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D.Kain wrote...

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dreman9999 wrote...Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.=]


You forget that D.Kain believes that Demons are basically benevolent beings that will do anything you want.


No they are like people, you can interact with them. And you can be friends with them, and you can make fair deals that make everyone happy.

I like to see one of these happy cases you are refering to.....It not like the game and story has every case end badly.=]

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D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

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Blood magic can basically take away free will of anyone and you have to deal with demons to become a blood mage. Seriously I listed mutliple reasons why its very dangerous and I seem to have to repeat myself. Hell if a blood mage existed today he could theoretically get past secret service at the white house and hold the president hostage by using the secret service as mind controlled thralls. 

Yes but Morinth didn't just not kill she kept killing showing that she ran away solely to keep killing and it took a Justicar allying with a Spectre to kill her. Morinth is an example of what happens when a AY goes bad. Now think about what would happen if Morinth actually wanted to do some damage to the Asari or any other race in Citadel Space? Morinth is one AY running loose and killing. She doesn't even have any other aspirations other than killing. Morinth has no ambition but it took centuries to kill her. More than one AY loose can cause a lot of problems that the Asari couldn't contain unless they bring Spectres into it. At that point  the situation is out of control.

It doesn't matter if it is dangerous. Just be careful! 

Morinth didn't ran away to solely keep killing. She couldn't even KEEP killing since she didn't start yet. Morinth is an example of how asari society is screwed up. It would surve the asari right if Morinth did something big.

By making sure that other people don't fall victem to the AY condistion if the AY can't control themselves?


AY can control themselves.

Your not understand. Putting AY near people is like putting a former crack addict near crack.

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dreman9999 wrote...

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1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.=]


You forget that D.Kain believes that Demons are basically benevolent beings that will do anything you want.


No they are like people, you can interact with them. And you can be friends with them, and you can make fair deals that make everyone happy.

I like to see one of these happy cases you are refering to.....It not like the game and story has every case end badly.=]


Well,  that's because you have to understand demons better and be nice and not completely selfish. 

But off topic again.

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dreman9999 wrote...

I like to see one of these happy cases you are refering to.....It not like the game and story has every case end badly.=]

Remember how Blood Magic comes from demons? I bet that also had something to do with why Blood Mages aren't well liked lol.

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[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]Your not understand. Putting AY near people is like putting a former crack addict near crack.
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She didn't get addicted YET. It's not like she was killing for years. Maybe now it will be harder, but even now managable. It's not the same! People can live with friendship without romantical intimacy, it is not unreal.

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Maybe you should all try stepping back, what is this thread even about rn? Blood mages?

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D.Kain wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

D.Kain wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.=]


You forget that D.Kain believes that Demons are basically benevolent beings that will do anything you want.


No they are like people, you can interact with them. And you can be friends with them, and you can make fair deals that make everyone happy.

I like to see one of these happy cases you are refering to.....It not like the game and story has every case end badly.=]


Well,  that's because you have to understand demons better and be nice and not completely selfish. 

But off topic again.



Anders: "It's like every time he says that. ...I cringe."

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dreman9999 wrote...

Anders: "It's like every time he says that. ...I cringe."


The thing is when Merill says it she sounds so cute I actually want to help her. Sadly her cuteness can convince me to many things lol.

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[quote]D.Kain wrote...

[quote]dreman9999 wrote...

[/quote]Your not understand. Putting AY near people is like putting a former crack addict near crack.
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She didn't get addicted YET. It's not like she was killing for years. Maybe now it will be harder, but even now managable. It's not the same! People can live with friendship without romantical intimacy, it is not unreal.

[/quote]It not just the addiction. It also the lack of intimacy. They have to be away from people because being close to them make it difficult to live with themselves. They can never be close with any one because it can lead to attraction. I would be like celibate man who stayed in a single sex monistary for years going to the playboy mansion.

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dreman9999 wrote...
Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.=]


(All the Keeper did was get herself and many of her clan killed for no reason.  She was probably already possessed when things starting happening that the clan was blaming on Merrill.)

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I think you guys's argument is slightly hindered by the fact that you have to completely different viewpoints on your side (dremen and D.Kain.).

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.=]


(All the Keeper did was get herself and many of her clan killed for no reason.  She was probably already possessed when things starting happening that the clan was blaming on Merrill.)

(That's only if you did not understand how to talk to the crowd.....Blame Merril and they leave you allow and no one else dies.)

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(All the Keeper did was get herself and many of her clan killed for no reason.  She was probably already possessed when things starting happening that the clan was blaming on Merrill.)


The Keeper did it so that Merill could be safe. It was stupid of course but what Merill did was equally stupid. Plus the clan didn't get killed in my playthrough.

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dreman9999 wrote...

It not just the addiction. It also the lack of intimacy. They have to be away from people because being close to them make it difficult to live with themselves. They can never be close with any one because it can lead to attraction. I would be like celibate man who stayed in a single sex monistary for years going to the playboy mansion.


I understand. I don't have a habbit of asking people to do things that I myself wouldn't do or couldn't imagine.

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1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Anders: "It's like every time he says that. ...I cringe."


The thing is when Merill says it she sounds so cute I actually want to help her. Sadly her cuteness can convince me to many things lol.

I did the rivalmace........I'll never do anything but a rinalmace with her....Ever.:wub:

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dreman9999 wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Anders: "It's like every time he says that. ...I cringe."


The thing is when Merill says it she sounds so cute I actually want to help her. Sadly her cuteness can convince me to many things lol.

I did the rivalmace........I'll never do anything but a rinalmace with her....Ever.:wub:


The rivalmance is the best one but her cuteness can over come it many many times.

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dreman9999 wrote...

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Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.=]


(All the Keeper did was get herself and many of her clan killed for no reason.  She was probably already possessed when things starting happening that the clan was blaming on Merrill.)

(That's only if you did not understand how to talk to the crowd.....Blame Merril and they leave you allow and no one else dies.)


(I meant the hunters who die when the Strider turns on the Elves... my guess is that was set it off was the Keeper being possessed.... plus the possession is probably why the Keeper refuses to move the clan on from Sundermount for years and years.)

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...you have shown multiple times that you have no idea what addicts are like or how a person becomes addicted.

You ignore evidence in order to fulfill your preconceived idea about Morinth; if something threatens that idea, then the evidence is either flawed or simply thrown out.

Tell me, how many people have ever survived melding with an AY? If you truly, truly believe she thought Shepard would survive, that number should be far, far above zero. How does harming Nef have any influence on how AY are treated? After all, if Morinth has a right to go on and show those damn Asari who want to live without the threat of dying from sex, surely Morinth should be targeting high ranking Asari, right? Why is Morinth's life so important that she's justified in killing whoever she pleases? Why is her life more important than the lives of those villagers she used as fodder? Why does Morinth get to break the first standard of your moral code and get away with it? After all, if we just treat people right, everyone will be fine. So why does Morinth get to go around ruining the lives of other people who have done nothing to her? Morinth was shown love for forty years until she ran (becoming a fugitive and then killing people), so that argument is down the toilet. Why do you believe she has the will to abstain from melding when she offers to meld with Shepard? Why would she change her habits after 400 years?

By all means, prefer Morinth over Samara; just don't paint her a different color than what she is.

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

(I meant the hunters who die when the Strider turns on the Elves... my guess is that was set it off was the Keeper being possessed.... plus the possession is probably why the Keeper refuses to move the clan on from Sundermount for years and years.)


Or it was the fact that the demon was becoming simply more active than usual. Or its quite possible that it was set off for different reasons.  

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You don't fix an accoholic by leaving him out where he can go to any bar he wants any time he wants. You don't *fix* a crackhead by making sure he drives by the person he used to get his stuff from every day. Morinth is worse; for her it's literally EVERY person.


People usually don't become alcoholics if they had a happy childhood and such..

Bull.

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Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Killjoy Cutter wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
Yep.... Because the keeper intervened, I lost the chance to morn over the girl I romanced because she was possessed by a demon and I had to kill her.
Damn the keeper for making sure I didn't get the chance to kill my lover and morn her death.=]


(All the Keeper did was get herself and many of her clan killed for no reason.  She was probably already possessed when things starting happening that the clan was blaming on Merrill.)

(That's only if you did not understand how to talk to the crowd.....Blame Merril and they leave you allow and no one else dies.)


(I meant the hunters who die when the Strider turns on the Elves... my guess is that was set it off was the Keeper being possessed.... plus the possession is probably why the Keeper refuses to move the clan on from Sundermount for years and years.)

(It was. But the fact is that as long the  clan servives any death is fine.)