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[Seagloom]

Yes, but 99.9% of female characters are drawn that way in comics.

[Heather Cline]

High heels and acrobatics let alone martial arts is stupid and I can't suspend disbelief for. High heels are notorious for breaking. No way can someone do an acrobatic stunt without spraining or breaking an ankle in high heels.

A game breaking immersion for me was in FFX where the black sorceress Lulu had on a black leather dress, wore high heels and ran around in high heels and a dress which was not only impractical but would have slowed her down and the entire party down.

So yeah... the high heels have to go.

As for breasts... Anne Hathaway has them. She's about a A to B cup. We don't need a C-D cup. Seriously women come in all shapes and sizes.

As for comic books, most are drawn by men for men. So yeah there is going to be more breasts and cleavage than in real life. Also in real life larger breasts also cause back problems for women. If I was a super heroine like Catwoman in that comic book cover, I'd have a hefty sports bra to help keep from having back problems or I'd get breast reduction surgery to reduce the back problems I'd be suffering from. But that's just me.

Modifié par Heather Cline, 27 septembre 2011 - 08:39 .

[Seagloom]

Mere mortals such as us cannot compare to a comic book heroine with the most common superpower. >.<

To comment further on Nolan's Catwoman costume, I like that Anne Hathaway is slim in it. Outside of comics, none of the women portraying the character were sporting large chests. To me, the costume looks better sleek and without too many frills. She is supposed to be a master thief, after all. Stealth and mobility should be important. That is why I think her high heel platforms are ridiculous in a more realistic take on the character. They would hinder both those activities.

[jerst]

Superheroes are supposed to make people dreams

High heels and big boobs aren't an issue, who cares about reality ?
They must look sexy, sports and mysterious.

The same goes for male. With his bodybuilder's musculature, there is no way in hell that batman could realistically perform any form of  martial art involving smooth moves or acrobatic figures as he does. It would be a miracle if he could scratch his back without a batrang.

And this outfit doesn't make me dream.

[Seagloom]

I can assure you that while some of us dream of having, touching, or looking at big boobs; quite a few could not care less about them. What I want to see in a superheroine is confidence, daring, empathy, and conviction in her principles. I would not mind if some were a walking male fantasy, but when all of them are it is no longer something to dream about. Quite the contrary. It becomes trite. I could accept that when I was 13-14. My standards are higher now.

And while males are often visually unrealistic too, there is a trend towards more variation in body types. With female portrayals it always comes down to sexiness.

Moving on from comic books, Nolan's Batman movies are undeniably wholly fantasy with lots of pseudoscience and implausible plot elements. However, he gives a token nod to realism. I feel Catwoman's costume lacks that. In the Dark Knight Batman justifies changing his costume slightly to improve mobility. Fox provides him with a quick explanation and replacement. So why is it in the same film trilogy a woman can run around in high heel platform shoes and not have them dramatically impact her mobility even by Nolan's movie logic? Unless those heels break or are mechanical and retract, I call shenanigans.

[Maria13]

I think Michelle Pfeiffer's shiny latex has the edge for me (I also loved that her first word was: "Meow!")... But this is definitely better than the costume designed for the Catwoman movie which was appalling, as was the movie itself... I like the Catwoman in the soon to be released game. Definitely getting that and you can play a few rounds as her... Joy!

[slimgrin]

Seagloom wrote...

I can assure you that while some of us dream of having, touching, or looking at big boobs; quite a few could not care less about them.

   That's crazy talk.

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 septembre 2011 - 12:11 .

[Chromie]

slimgrin wrote...

Seagloom wrote...

I can assure you that while some of us dream of having, touching, or looking at big boobs; quite a few could not care less about them.

   That's crazy talk.

Yup.

[blothulfur]

Michelle Pfeiffers eyes, be bloody glad to drown in those oceans.

[slimgrin]

 Jim Lee's is by far my favorite. No silly high heels, or hair getting in the way. She's all business.

http://t0.gstatic.co...pdW86f1AdRbXXEQ

Modifié par slimgrin, 28 septembre 2011 - 12:37 .

[ylaenna]

slimgrin wrote...

 Jim Lee's is by far my favorite. No silly high heels, or hair getting in the way. She's all business.

http://t0.gstatic.co...pdW86f1AdRbXXEQ

I like this costume a LOT.  No-nonsense and practical with the boots and hair, and even the boobs pass muster.  But Hathaway's... sigh.  There just isn't enough there.  To me, she looks like an adolescent in a Halloween costume.

[Blastback]

slimgrin wrote...

 Jim Lee's is by far my favorite. No silly high heels, or hair getting in the way. She's all business.

http://t0.gstatic.co...pdW86f1AdRbXXEQ

I don't get why they didn't use this design, it would have worked!

[frustratemyself]

Anne Hathaway looks a bit too 'good girl' to be playing Catwoman to me, I can't see her pulling off the role. Lee Meriwether or Michelle Pfieffer did it well.

[Seagloom]

slimgrin wrote...

 That's crazy talk.

Funny. If memory serves you are male. You do realize I was talking about women, right? While I know quite a few who spend time wishing for bigger boobs or lusting after them, that is hardly universal. Someone has to care about wanting to fit a typical comic book heroine's hypersexual aesthetic and body language to see her as a vehicle for wish fulfillment. At least once they get old enough to look past nonsensical artist and publisher justifications.

Modifié par Seagloom, 28 septembre 2011 - 08:27 .

[HoonDing]

At least Squirrel Girl is still normally proportioned. Jessica Jones as well, but then she's a mommy.

slimgrin wrote...

 Jim Lee's is by far my favorite. No silly high heels, or hair getting in the way. She's all business.

http://t0.gstatic.co...pdW86f1AdRbXXEQ

Actually, IIRC Ed Brubaker's wife came up with that costume when Ed was to write the new Catwoman series in 2002.

[jerst]

Seagloom wrote...

I can assure you that while some of us dream of having, touching, or looking at big boobs; quite a few could not care less about them. What I want to see in a superheroine is confidence, daring, empathy, and conviction in her principles. I would not mind if some were a walking male fantasy, but when all of them are it is no longer something to dream about. Quite the contrary. It becomes trite. I could accept that when I was 13-14. My standards are higher now.

Yeah sure, some like that others don't, that's not really the issue here, and there is not point arguing about everyone's different tastes in the boobs matter
What I meant to say was that, this costume is flat, and I'm not talking about the boobs ! There's no charism, no personnality. The costume is supposed to show us some sort of representation of the character. And here we see nothing but a scuba diver who's forgotten her oxygen tank.
And this is why I don't like it.

Oh and, I also think that superheroes are supposed to target our inner child. And in that regard, I don't mind if some of them look like the perfect match for a teenager's lust for bare skin.

Seagloom wrote...

And while males are often visually unrealistic too, there is a trend towards more variation in body types. With female portrayals it always comes down to sexiness.

Moving on from comic books, Nolan's Batman movies are undeniably wholly fantasy with lots of pseudoscience and implausible plot elements. However, he gives a token nod to realism. I feel Catwoman's costume lacks that. In the Dark Knight Batman justifies changing his costume slightly to improve mobility. Fox provides him with a quick explanation and replacement. So why is it in the same film trilogy a woman can run around in high heel platform shoes and not have them dramatically impact her mobility even by Nolan's movie logic? Unless those heels break or are mechanical and retract, I call shenanigans.

Well, I think you're more looking for coherance than reality. And if so, I couldn't agree more.
But as far as my limited knowledge of the DC universe goes, I don't recall anything about coherance in it. So why bother now ?

[duncan_dragon]

slimgrin wrote...

 Jim Lee's is by far my favorite. No silly high heels, or hair getting in the way. She's all business.

http://t0.gstatic.co...pdW86f1AdRbXXEQ

I think the  final version of nolan will end up like this eventually. the only problem is the hair . . . if they get rid of her hair it would be magnificent.

[Seagloom]

jerst wrote...

Yeah sure, some like that others don't, that's not really the issue here, and there is not point arguing about everyone's different tastes in the boobs matter
What I meant to say was that, this costume is flat, and I'm not talking about the boobs ! There's no charism, no personnality. The costume is supposed to show us some sort of representation of the character. And here we see nothing but a scuba diver who's forgotten her oxygen tank.
And this is why I don't like it.

The breast commentary was in response to what ylaenna wrote. Although the high heels bit was an extension of my original contribution to the thread. You wrote in a previous post that high heels and boobs are not an issue. I think they are depending on context. I am not against high heels on principle. I rather like them, and am in fact something of a clothes horse. But high heels as presented in comics come with a sexual undercurrent nine out of ten times. Unless the character wearing them as part of her standard costume fights in a way that does not involve physical combat, it is very hard to take her design too seriously.

I agree the costume is supposed to show us something about the character. In the case of Catwoman, I think it should say agile, cunning, and sexy. I think they shot for agile and sexy, and missed. It is not the best Catwoman costume, but out of the three film versions I rank it second behind Michelle Pfeiffer's outfit. Other than the shoes, I see nothing particularly terrible about it. The worst I can say is it is a bit bland, and I will take bland over ugly anyday.

jerst wrote...

Well, I think you're more looking for coherance than reality. And if so, I couldn't agree more.
But as far as my limited knowledge of the DC universe goes, I don't recall anything about coherance in it. So why bother now ?

Coherence based on a loose interpretation of reality. Obviously the movies are not wholly realistic. It matters because these movies are based on DC universe characters. They are not lifted directly from the comics. That brings with it a host of expectations I normally handwave in a comic. If Nolan did not care about avoiding the most fanciful elements of the comics whenever possible and set out to bring the pages to film, I would not care about this at all. I enjoyed Batman 1989 and Batman Returns quite a bit, and those movies were terribly goofy. Catwoman in the latter film seemed to truly have nine lives. Then there were insanely silly bits such as the cute robot controlled penguins. I expect more from Nolan's interpretation because he set a higher standard from the start.

Modifié par Seagloom, 28 septembre 2011 - 12:21 .

[RPGamer13]

ylaenna wrote...

My first thought, honestly, was: Not enough boobs. After reading almost two pages of comments, I'm surprised nobody else has said it. I can't imagine I'm alone in thinking this.

I was going to, but stopped myself for fear of saying something inaccurate.

But yes, my first thought when I hear Anne Hathaway was, "but she has no breasts!"


Then the other thing is, Anne Hathaway doesn't even look sexy.  She has no curves! 

And the outfit doesn't evoke any sense of the Catwoman character.

[duncan_dragon]

RPGamer13 wrote...

ylaenna wrote...

My first thought, honestly, was: Not enough boobs. After reading almost two pages of comments, I'm surprised nobody else has said it. I can't imagine I'm alone in thinking this.

I was going to, but stopped myself for fear of saying something inaccurate.

But yes, my first thought when I hear Anne Hathaway was, "but she has no breasts!"


Then the other thing is, Anne Hathaway doesn't even look sexy.  She has no curves! 

And the outfit doesn't evoke any sense of the Catwoman character.

Wisest of words, if I ever heard one . . .
Anne Hathaway will do great on other chick flick movies. but this is a serious movies, and she doesnt look like she has what it takes.

[AresEffect]

 Choosing her as Catwoman is Christopher Nolan's worst mistake ever! It's like choosing Jeffrey Tambor as a Gladiator!  

Modifié par AresEffect, 01 octobre 2011 - 05:03 .

[AresEffect]

Here is Jeffrey Tambor: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001787/
He might be a good actor but he doesn't look like a gladiator!
Same for Anne Hathaway. She doesn't look like Catwoman, She is not qualified for that character (in terms of appearance).