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[Arokel]

jreezy wrote...

Mecha Tengu wrote...

OP played mass effect 2 before mass effect 1

someone strangle this man

I believe he'd rather be shot.

Be nice.  He could have been like me.  I got ME2 on PS3 as a gift.  played through it.  thought it was good.  Then sold PS3 copy and bought both on steam on sale.

Much more satisfying after playing both.

[MACharlie1]

MegaBadExample wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Ashley is one of only three Mass Effect women who knows how to have sex while naked. The other two are Liara and female Shepard.

What about Sh'aira? Pretty sure that broad was nude. 

  

Can't confirm that. With her biotic brain scramble ability, any number of unpleasant things could have been going on in that bubble.

Do a free-cam during that scene. 

From what it looks like, without the fancy camera angles, it looks like she gave Shep ******....but they were naked models I'm sure.  

WHAT THE HELL?  What...I don't even......there is no proof of this.


With Ash you either hate her or love her. Simple.

I speak no lies. If my PC wasn't going through it's own Lazarus project, I'd Frap it. :innocent:

[GSSAGE7]

Obviously, he's the employee of S-Mart who removed his arm, attached a chainsaw, and began a massive Deadite killing spree, armed with a chainsaw and a double-barreled shotgun.

Oh, you meant the Mass Effect character?

[PrinceLionheart]

Gallimatia wrote...

iakus wrote...

Ashley is also religious, though her denomination is never revealed.  She prays and believes in God, but that's as far as it's described.  For some reason, people think this makes her a zealot 

Ashley belives in an intervening god. If Shepard says he survived Akuze due to personal perseverance she objects and says she belives Shepard was chosen by God to survive. I find this somewhat disturbing.

She says "I think someone's watching over you." Such a zealot.

[Gallimatia]

PrinceLionheart wrote...

Gallimatia wrote...

iakus wrote...

Ashley is also religious, though her denomination is never revealed.  She prays and believes in God, but that's as far as it's described.  For some reason, people think this makes her a zealot 

Ashley belives in an intervening god. If Shepard says he survived Akuze due to personal perseverance she objects and says she belives Shepard was chosen by God to survive. I find this somewhat disturbing.

She says "I think someone's watching over you." Such a zealot.

You make it sound more innocent than it is. She's upset that Shepard can't see the to her obvious act of God and trying to convert Shepard.

Modifié par Gallimatia, 27 septembre 2011 - 05:53 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Gallimatia wrote...

You make it sound more innocent than it is. She's upset that Shepard can't see the obvious act of God and proselytizing.

I think you're overanalyzing.  Seriously, it's largely innocent when people say that.

You need more religious friends.  Here, take some of these.  There are too many Jesus People on campus.

*shoves three hundred Intervarsity/Campus Crusade for Christ members in your direction*

[Gallimatia]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Gallimatia wrote...

You make it sound more innocent than it is. She's upset that Shepard can't see the obvious act of God and proselytizing.

I think you're overanalyzing.  Seriously, it's largely innocent when people say that.

It's especially the sentence "Are you saying you only survived because of random chance?" and how it's pronounced that sounds angry and preachy to me. Video.

Modifié par Gallimatia, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:44 .

[AdmiralCheez]

Gallimatia wrote...

It's especially the sentence "Are you saying you only survived because of random chance?" and how it's pronounced that sounds angry and preachy to me. Video.

Nah, that's just the way people talk when they feel a universe without purpose or direction lacks romantic appeal.  They honestly don't get how people can see it from another perspective, or how they'd want to, even.  There's not much to look forward to, you know?

Me, I thrive on pointless, undirected chaos.

[Iakus]

Gallimatia wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Gallimatia wrote...

You make it sound more innocent than it is. She's upset that Shepard can't see the obvious act of God and proselytizing.

I think you're overanalyzing.  Seriously, it's largely innocent when people say that.

It's especially the sentence "Are you saying you only survived because of random chance?" and how it's pronounced that sounds angry and preachy to me. Video.

I thought she sounded miffed because Shepard was talking about Jenkins' death in such a callus manner.  Especially after she saw her whole unit wiped out.

Compare the same conversation if you're nice to her:  

Yes, it's War Hero background, but the only difference in the conversations is the mention of the Star of Terra.

Modifié par iakus, 27 septembre 2011 - 06:20 .

[Iakus]

That conversation I believe takes place after Virmire when Ash asks Shep how he dealt with the losses.

[Iakus]

Anyway as you can see her religious beliefs and distrust of aliens are a matter of some... contention... among ME1 players. Me I think it makes her an interesting and complex character. Others are, shall we say less impressed.

[Quething]

In regards to the "distrust of aliens," it's also worth noting that a Shepard who romances Ashley has the opportunity to challenge her views and "Paragon" her - that is to say, convince her to have a little more faith in the idea of multispecies cooperation. The final major decision of the game is set up partially as a choice between saving human lives and saving alien lives, and the conversation is recorded such that the more "paragon" of your allies will always advocate saving the aliens, while the more "renegade" in your squad will counter with an argument for the humans. A Paragon'd Ash will advocate for the aliens no matter how paragon the other squadmate is, demonstrating a fairly major shift in worldview and fairly major confidence in the whole "galactic community" thing.

This will likely not be reflected in her personality in ME3, since there's no obvious import flag for it in ME2, but IMO it's a fairly important nuance to understanding her character nonetheless.

Also, she's cynical and will make fun of Shep for being an optimist, but in the end, of the three love interests:

Kaidan's pre-coital conversation is about "maybe the Reapers win, maybe they don't, it doesn't matter: us, right now, we matter."
Liara's pre-coital conversation is about "it's quite likely the Reapers will win, so let's do this now while we can."
Ashley's pre-coital conversation is about "the Reapers won't win, Shepard. We will. Thank you for believing in me, it makes be able to believe things like that."

It's a subtle but powerful character arc; her overcoming her insecurity and pessimism about both aliens and herself. I've always been really bummed that most of it is only visible (or even available) to a romancing dudeShep.

Modifié par Quething, 27 septembre 2011 - 08:17 .

[CptData]

Ash is one of my fav characters and actually #1 choice for romantic encounters. I love her complex character and that poetry-part, maybe 'cause I'm writing such stuff in R/L. Her religion doesn't matter to me. It is part of her character, but not overly present. Since Shepard comes with the religion of his/her player (religious -> agnostic -> atheistic), she also doesn't mind what the commander's religious beliefs are.

When it comes to her xenophobic streak, I'd like to compare her to Pressly. The more time he spends with alien crewmen, the lesser he sees them as "alien" but as friends and/or allies. I believe, Ashley feels the same.

Just for the record: #2 of my love interests is Tali, #3 is Miranda.

[sorentoft]

AedenHawke wrote...

 Shoot me, but I did not play ME1. I had tried to get my hands on a copy, yet I failed. Probably since I do not prefer heading backwords from ME2 to ME1, or because I am extremely lazy. Hah, rather I not  go and wikipeia her. I think its best to get it from players themselves, their point of views to be interesting the most. Can anyone sum up her character? 

Why don't you buy the digital version from origins? It doesn't cost much more than 10 euros I think, well worth the price.

[Anwarddyn]

sorentoft wrote...
Why don't you buy the digital version from origins? It doesn't cost much more than 10 euros I think, well worth the price.

Or the Steam version. $10 US so only €7.36 

[ladyvader]

Saphra Deden wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

In insecure little girl who latched onto ****ty poetry.

We need unbiased information.

I defend Ashley more than most. I respect her beliefs. However she is very insecure. This is evident in her temper and in her "gung-ho" attitude. Ashley always feels like she needs to prove something. Both because of her grandfather being disgraced and because she was a woman in a largely male dominated field. It's rubbed off on her in a bad way. Her insecurity is a little annoying to deal with sometimes.

Poetry just sucks in general.

I hope you don't listen to music.  Songs are poetry.  And if you think poetry sucks in general, then you've not reading enough or only read the dry stuff they teach in school.  Try some of the beat poets from the 1950's.  Very good stuff.  Also Jim Morrison's work.

[Anwarddyn]

ladyvader wrote...

I hope you don't listen to music.  Songs are poetry.

Poetry set to music. Big difference. I am a fan of poetry and have many books of it that I love, I however fully understand how someone can find poetry dull and still love music.

[Funkcase]

Saphra Deden wrote...

In insecure little girl who latched onto ****ty poetry.

You call Tennyson and Whitman sh*t? Lol..

OP I advise you play ME1, you get to make your own opinion, she's my favourite character in a game so far, I believe Bioware did a brilliant job with Ash, some love her, some like her others hate her. Also, if you haven't played it you also missed out on Wrex, Kaidan, Sovereign, Saren, and more Garrus, Liara and Tali, other brilliant characters and a pretty fantastic story.

Modifié par Funkcase, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:06 .