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[PauseforEffect]

I had no idea Shepard was hitting on her when she said she wasn't into the girls' club kind of thing. I thought it meant that she's not into the bff sort of thing.
Sooooo awkward.
Stop hitting on everyone Shepard!
And flirting!

[Anwarddyn]

MACharlie1 wrote...
I believe we're confirmed to have romances outside the Normandy. 

If it is confirmed then it is written somewhere... do you happen to remember where you read it so we may confirm your beliefs as well?

[weedyfun]

slimgrin wrote...

leggywillow wrote...

ZenJestr wrote...

She explicitly said that she's "not part of the girl's club" and that she tried it and didn't like it...so no...I doubt she will be

I don't think that's what the first part of your statement is referring to. By "girl's club", I always got the impression she was referring to girly bonding and a friendship with FemShep in general, not sexual relationships in particular. And I do remember her saying she was in a relationship with a woman, but I don't remember her saying that she didn't like it specifically...?

I think she's a good option for a bisexual romance in ME2; I'd be all for it.

When she says 'girl's club' I'm sure she means lesbianism. But since she's been there already and Bioware is willing to change whatever about their story and characters, I could see it happening.

I don't agree with 'girl's club = lesbianism'. Jack is not a girly-kinda-girl, so I understand that statement as: 'I do not conform to society's standards for being a woman. I do what I want depsite my gender.'

In my opinion leggywillow is right...

Eh, I think she could be a cool bisexual LI.. My FemSheps all have a thang for her

[Anwarddyn]

weedyfun wrote...

I don't agree with 'girl's club = lesbianism'. Jack is not a girly-kinda-girl, so I understand that statement as: 'I do not conform to society's standards for being a woman. I do what I want depsite my gender.'

My only problem with that theory is that Jack says that line after femShep makes a mild advance (if I recall correctly, been over a year since I have had that in game conversation). So while the line taken out of context could mean exactly what you say, the line taken IN context says "I don't have sex with women".

[shepskisaac]

Anwarddyn wrote...

weedyfun wrote...

I don't agree with 'girl's club = lesbianism'. Jack is not a girly-kinda-girl, so I understand that statement as: 'I do not conform to society's standards for being a woman. I do what I want depsite my gender.'

My only problem with that theory is that Jack says that line after femShep makes a mild advance (if I recall correctly, been over a year since I have had that in game conversation). So while the line taken out of context could mean exactly what you say, the line taken IN context says "I don't have sex with women".

Yeah, and she also says "You mean do I have boyfriend or a girlfriend?" just like that.

[weedyfun]

Anwarddyn wrote...

weedyfun wrote...

I don't agree with 'girl's club = lesbianism'. Jack is not a girly-kinda-girl, so I understand that statement as: 'I do not conform to society's standards for being a woman. I do what I want depsite my gender.'

My only problem with that theory is that Jack says that line after femShep makes a mild advance (if I recall correctly, been over a year since I have had that in game conversation). So while the line taken out of context could mean exactly what you say, the line taken IN context says "I don't have sex with women".

I see what you mean.. I played ME2 the other night and listened carefully to my FemShep and Jack's conversation. I just realised that most people are over-analysing this issue. I didn't experience the conversation as FemShep hitting on Jack, I dunno, maybe I was just really baked. 

[Anwarddyn]

Yeah I actually found a clip of it on YouTube. It is not a blatant come on by any means, but I took it as a definite subtle one. I am sure others read into it differently though.

Modifié par Anwarddyn, 28 septembre 2011 - 01:14 .

[Athayniel]

The girls club line is just her response the first time you come to talk to her after you've exhausted all your dialogue with her.
Here's a youtube video.
Jack: Hey.
Shepard: (I want to talk) -> What's happening.
Jack: You got a lot of questions, don't you?
Shepard: (I'm interested) -> I miss your friendly nature when you're not around.
Jack: Been thinking. We've seen a lot of **** together now. And you're always coming to talk to me.
Jack: It's just I'm not really a girl's club kind of person. I like you alright? That's a good place to stop.

I would term femShep's tone as mildly sarcastic, not particularly flirty. It seems to me that Jack doesn't really know how to deal with someone who in actually interested in getting to know her and she pushes femShep away.

That's just my opinion.

*Edit* hehe Anwarddyn... It's impressive we found two different videos of the same thing. *Edit2* grammar!

Modifié par Athayniel, 28 septembre 2011 - 02:25 .

[jlb524]

Yeah, "I miss you're friendly nature when you're not around." said with sarcasm totally means I WANNA BANG YOU NOW!

*that was said with sarcasm*

Modifié par jlb524, 28 septembre 2011 - 02:13 .

[Labrev]

Athayniel wrote...

The girls club line is just her response the first time you come to talk to her after you've exhausted all your dialogue with her.
Here's a youtube video.
Jack: Hey.
Shepard: (I want to talk) -> What's happening.
Jack: You got a lot of questions, don't you?
Shepard: (I'm interested) -> I miss you're friendly nature when you're not around.
Jack: Been thinking. We've seen a lot of **** together now. And you're always coming to talk to me.
Jack: It's just I'm not really a girl's club kind of person. I like you alright? That's a good place to stop.

I would term femShep's tone as mildly sarcastic, not particularly flirty. It seems to me that Jack doesn't really know how to deal with someone who in actually interested in getting to know her and she pushes femShep away.

That's just my opinion.

Yeah, that was really a pretty disappointing end when I played femshep. She and PirateShep could have been BFFs.

[Blze001]

Athayniel wrote...

The girls club line is just her response the first time you come to talk to her after you've exhausted all your dialogue with her.
Here's a youtube video.
Jack: Hey.
Shepard: (I want to talk) -> What's happening.
Jack: You got a lot of questions, don't you?
Shepard: (I'm interested) -> I miss your friendly nature when you're not around.
Jack: Been thinking. We've seen a lot of **** together now. And you're always coming to talk to me.
Jack: It's just I'm not really a girl's club kind of person. I like you alright? That's a good place to stop.

I would term femShep's tone as mildly sarcastic, not particularly flirty. It seems to me that Jack doesn't really know how to deal with someone who in actually interested in getting to know her and she pushes femShep away.

That's just my opinion.

I think Jack just pushed back at the thought of love. The difference is that Bioware let MShep keep nudging her until she gave in.

The reason I could see Jack as being bi is simple: she doesn't care. If she finds out love is what she wants, she's not going to let something like being the same sex stop her.

[Anwarddyn]

She is definitely the one character that gave me the impression that if she is not bisexual currently she certainly could be at a latter time. By far the biggest case of someone who does not really know what they want and is the most subject to drastic personality changes.

Modifié par Anwarddyn, 28 septembre 2011 - 03:04 .

[Stardusk78]

I sure hope so...

[Destroy Raiden_]

Jack already said she tried going bi and hated it she said she wouldn't do it again with women and she also has an unhealthy view on men as she tries to get mshep to sleep with her because in the past she made mention that other captains had done that to her as a way to make her pay for her passage on their ships. Her going bi is still a retcon just like BW making Mordin and option for LI when he said he didn't want any relationships would be. If you want a crazy bi option you technically already have Mornith if she lived and then there is always Kelly if she didn't.

[frostajulie]

Jack never ever said she tried going bi and hated it. Ever. in the one conversation option where she talks about being with a woman bitterness towards being used is what took over but she Never said she hated being with a female in fact she never so much as addresses or alludes to it again which I feel was a huge missed opportunity for her and femsheps character.

I also agree that the girl clubs post is nothing more than Jacks way of telling fem shep to bug off. It is the response you get when you exhaust the dialogue options. So while I don't think Jack is all into woman I do believe if femshep had pushed more like male shep then they coulda had something. I personally wish they'd give me a dlc to get femshep and Jack together. so I am hoping she is bi in ME3

[knightnblu]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

knightnblu wrote...

I will certainly take your word for it, but if that is the case then what did Jack mean when she said that Minara and her boyfriend helped her into their bed?

She then said she's not a member of the "girl's club" and there's a line somewhere that she "doesn't swing that way" (I think).  However, she also says "you mean like a boyfriend or a girlfriend" when you ask if there is anyone close to her...

So really, there seems to be equal evidence on both sides.  I'm going to conclude that she tried girls and didn't really like them as much as boys.

Makes sense. Thanks for the response!

[Athayniel]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Yeah, that was really a pretty disappointing end when I played femshep. She and PirateShep could have been BFFs.

Heh. Do you figure, after the reapers are defeated, PirateShep would just say "F**k all of your politcal bull!" take the Normandy and ply the spacelanes with Jack as First Mate?

I don't have a femshep that would mesh well with Jack myself but I can certainly see why those lips would hold an appeal.

[Celtic Latino]

Robhuzz wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

She's already experimented so it doesn't seem far fetched to me, but then I thought everyone turned bi when in the presence of Shepard.

I wouldn't mind all the females being bi to be honest.:innocent:

Problem is, BioWare just loves politically correct themes and fairness. Making all females bi is fine and all but that also means all males would be turned bi. That last part will (probably) spark a flame war the likes of which has not yet been seen on these forums:whistle:

Unfortunately true, rather than have actual characters with certain likes, dislikes and tastes, they broaden them too much for the fanbase (remember that's how Garrus and Tali became romance options despite turians being totally opposite of humans, anatomically and culturally and Tali thrown in because of fanboyism).

As for Jack, of all the ME females I did assume she'd be a bisexual option (considering she was in a three-way relationship), but after hearing the 'girls club comment', I can say she wouldn't (though knowing politically correct Bioware, they'd probably change her sexual orientation just to please the PC 'fight for the love'  fanbase...and as a gay male gamer I'm saying that!). 

I'd rather just have a new bisexual romance option rather than change the sexual orientation of characters (like they did with Anders, who was a flirtatious man who loved the ladies in Awakening but changed him to a gender neutral type for the sake of 'fairness'). 

I do like Jack though. She's awesome :-)  

[Flamingmoe]

She should have been right from the start.
I play as female shep most of the time so it would be nice.

[TheDarkBrotherhood]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

Jack already said she tried going bi and hated it she said she wouldn't do it again with women and she also has an unhealthy view on men as she tries to get mshep to sleep with her because in the past she made mention that other captains had done that to her as a way to make her pay for her passage on their ships. Her going bi is still a retcon just like BW making Mordin and option for LI when he said he didn't want any relationships would be. If you want a crazy bi option you technically already have Mornith if she lived and then there is always Kelly if she didn't.

Seriously... ?

[Eire Icon]

The question is, if Jack is bi, did she simply find femship a complete and utter mong??

Maybe she was giving Fem Shep the "Lets just be friends" speech - Ouch

[ReallyRue]

Eire Icon wrote...

The question is, if Jack is bi, did she simply find femship a complete and utter mong??

Maybe she was giving Fem Shep the "Lets just be friends" speech - Ouch

Lol, that's what I was just thinking. Externally you could always say Bioware just didn't want s/s content in there, but in the story, it's like "so Jack will have a relationship with maleShep but doesn't even want the one-night stand with femShep?" Must be something unattractive about femShep. Harsh!

[Sylvanpyxie]

The only female characters I think will be bi are Miranda and Ashley. They were both planned to be bi in mass effect 1 and 2

I'm fairly sure Jack was also, originally, planned to be bi-sexual. I think there's even a few audio files hidden somewhere. I could be wrong, admittedly i never really looked into it. But i do remember hearing something on youtube that related to Jack+FemShep getting cosy.

Also, Jack originally being planned for a bi-sexual romance makes a lot of sense when you take a close look at the dialogue. The only thing that *hints* at her not being bi-sexual is the "girl's club" line, which could have easily been thrown in at any point. It also isn't overly specific.

Then add the fact that she *has* been with women previously, and never once mentions that she hated it, or disliked it, or didn't enjoy it.. I think it's a safe bet she *was* originally planned to be bi-sexual.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 05 octobre 2011 - 10:16 .