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[Tunari1128]

I hate missing sidequests...exp points, loot, but...I can't do the bad stuff. lol Through this one any of my previous rpgs either..nwn1/nwn2 etc..all of em. Always the good person..give away all my gold to help people even if it leaves me nothing..rescue a kitten, of course I will, no reward necessary of course! And here take this gold and buy yourself a meal. lol

If I kill Ignacio, that will be some exp points..but I'll miss 4 or 5 sidequests I think...are there straglers of the Crows that will attack me several times later in random encounters? That would make up for some exp for not doing their quests.

[The Capital Gaultier]

There are stragglers, but none of Ignacio's as far as I know.



However, there is a major SPOILER and something that is hinted at in your first discussion with Ignacio:



The Crows pay you to help your own cause. Doing them is not evil at all. I wouldn't even call it immoral.

[Tunari1128]

ohh really? Ill have to chat with him than to see where it goes. Haven't talked to him yet. I didn't want to be out killing innocent people, their families, their pet nugs etc.. lol

[AtreiyaN7]

Well, technically the targets aren't nice people and it helps your cause, so...you should maybe do them. *hint hint*

[Tunari1128]

Sweet, good to know. As soon as I got this message from the assassin Crows I figured it would be stuff I didn't want to do. lol



thanks

[Mystranna Kelteel]

If you don't kill them, someone else will. Might as well be you, right?

[Maria Caliban]

Oh please.



You agree to kill people you don't know for money. It's assassination and it's not good.



Now, if you want to meta-game, sometime later you learn these people you're murdering are bad, but metagaming and RPing a good person are two different things.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Ignacio tells you up-front who your targets are. No need to meta-game.

[Whosi]

You CAN have your cake and eat it too...depending on your morals.

[Maria Caliban]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Ignacio tells you up-front who your targets are. No need to meta-game.

No, he doesn’t.

He says, "Hi, I'm Ignacio and a member of the Antivan crows - the organization that tried to kill you. I'm not going to kill you though; assassination isn't personal, it's just a business.

Anyways, we want some people dead, and helping us might benefit you. What do you say?"

You can then either say yes, say no, or attack him.

Now, if you *agree* to help him kill people, even though you have no idea who they are and you know the crows kill anyone for profit – good, bad, or indifferent – all because it might benefit you in some undefined way, then he’ll tell you the targets.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Yes, you do have to agree before he tells you who they are, but he does say if you don't want to do it after you get the paper slip detailing who the mark is then you can just walk away and someone else will get the job done.

[Zenocrate]

I don't think this is too much a spoiler...



Anyone catch why was the ambassador in Orzhammar is bad?



As for RPing a good character, there's no harm in asking, right? Not to mention that Ignacio presents it such that if something ill were to befall the mark, well, then that works great. If it doesn't, well then that's not the end of the world. So if you decide you'd rather not kill the mark, the only 'bad' thing you have to deal with is having an extra quest in your log.

[Tunari1128]

Ok, I spoke to him. During the convo, he did say, take the scroll, read about it, do it or not...so..first one seems to be someone working for Loghaine...I'd wind up killing him anyway. Even though, this is getting "paid" for it..so there is still a difference in an evil/bad sorta way..but I'll have to live with it. I'll keep reading scrolls to see what they are. If it is inline with my on quest/cause..than..I'll do it.

[Basher of Glory]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Ignacio tells you up-front who your targets are. No need to meta-game.

Right. If you played the human origin, you will recognize some names in the so called letters of Ignacio and you WANT to meet these people

BTW, he also tells you, that it's up to you if you take action or not, once you have read the (mission-)letters.

Modifié par Baher of Glory, 22 novembre 2009 - 06:09 .

[The Capital Gaultier]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

Ignacio tells you up-front who your targets are. No need to meta-game.

No, he doesn’t.

He says, "Hi, I'm Ignacio and a member of the Antivan crows - the organization that tried to kill you. I'm not going to kill you though; assassination isn't personal, it's just a business.

Anyways, we want some people dead, and helping us might benefit you. What do you say?"

You can then either say yes, say no, or attack him.

Now, if you *agree* to help him kill people, even though you have no idea who they are and you know the crows kill anyone for profit – good, bad, or indifferent – all because it might benefit you in some undefined way, then he’ll tell you the targets.

You don't need to do everything that your character agrees to do.  I certainly did not.

[AtreiyaN7]

I almost always do the "right" thing 99% of the time in any game - it's just the way that I am, but in the context of the situation with the Crows, I think there's room to be pragmatic. Besides, Ignacio DOES say that you don't have to take the contracts. Information about the targets is presented, and you can choose to accept them or not. It depends on what you think about the people in question.



Not to give anything away, but you might even kill one of the targets because of something unrelated and in self-defense (as it turns out).

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Yeah, I think I had one that I had already killed before I even got there. I had no idea who it was, but it was free reward.

[Niten Ryu]

I think Bioware should have made targets extremely friendly towards Gray Wardens. To kill 'em would have directly hurt your cause (unless you RP evil character). Currently there's no real moral dilemma, as you can't RP total pasifist. Even if you choose to take the job, you could (in theory) find out who your targets are and what side they support.

[Maria Caliban]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

You don't need to do everything that your character agrees to do.  I certainly did not.

No, you don't.

But the question wasn't "Do I have to do everything my character agrees to do?" but "Would my good, upright PC agree to help a group of assassins when he or she has no idea who these assassins want dead?"

The answers given were all quite meta-gamey. 'It turns out that the people you assassinate are bad' is meaningless in terms of this discussion.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

You don't need to do everything that your character agrees to do.  I certainly did not.

No, you don't.

But the question wasn't "Do I have to do everything my character agrees to do?" but "Would my good, upright PC agree to help a group of assassins when he or she has no idea who these assassins want dead?"

The answers given were all quite meta-gamey. 'It turns out that the people you assassinate are bad' is meaningless in terms of this discussion.

And my point is that lying is not meta-gaming at all.

[Maria Caliban]

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

And my point is that lying is not meta-gaming at all.

No, it's not. But you didn't say 'Your character could just lie to see who the Antivan crows are trying to assassinate. Kill them if they're bad, and ignore the quest or even try to protect them if they're good.'

That would be role-playing.

Instead you said: “The Crows pay you to help your own cause. Doing them is not evil at all. I wouldn't even call it immoral.”

Information the PC doesn’t know until they’ve agreed to help the Crows. Hence, meta-game information.

[The Capital Gaultier]

Maria Caliban wrote...

The Capital Gaultier wrote...

And my point is that lying is not meta-gaming at all.

No, it's not. But you didn't say 'Your character could just lie to see who the Antivan crows are trying to assassinate. Kill them if they're bad, and ignore the quest or even try to protect them if they're good.'

That would be role-playing.

Instead you said: “The Crows pay you to help your own cause. Doing them is not evil at all. I wouldn't even call it immoral.”

Information the PC doesn’t know until they’ve agreed to help the Crows. Hence, meta-game information.

That's why I "spoiler" tagged it.  I have no disagreement with you at all.