We know little about the Seekers. Leliana showed up for a mission and was a glorified messager for the Divine (although it's possible that she hadn't joined the Seekers at that point since she's not wearing their armor, or she's undercover). Cassandra talks to Varric for a bit and walks off. And we have one codex entry to read about them where we learn just snippets:
-There was an Inquisition before the Circle System.
-The Seekers of Truth police the Templars.
-The Seekers of Truth hunt mages.
Then there's some talk about immunity to blood magic and mind erasing which may or maynot be factual. The ending of DA2 also shows they have an army of these guys.
Yet the codex also states they're little known and feared and that was in Blessed Age. So my question now being is that still their job description or are they more like the Inquistion in their past and ours? Especially in the wake of the Templars breaking away and the Circles in revolt.
Are they given a Dragon Age equivalent of plenary indulgence? (a get out of jail free card for all sins)
Does the Chantry make money off of taking the possessions of supposed apostates?
Do they torture? Murder?
How much oversight does the Divine have over the Seekers? Do they have their own hierarchy? Do they 'advise' court systems or do they dole out punishments as they see fit?
We see them do nothing evil in DA2, they don't even torture Varric, but we've seen other well intended groups in this setting and they're never as happy and wholesome as they first appear. I guess what I'm wondering here is: on the scale between Jedi Knights and the Catholic Inquisition where do the Seekers of Truth fall?
Seekers and the Inquisition
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Foolsfolly
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 06:33
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NOBODY EXPECTS THE ORLESIAN INQUISITION!
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 06:45
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I will say the codex entry makes we want to play as a Seeker. Especially with the option to betray the Divine's wishes, if they work that in there. Cassandra seems reasonable "Not all of us desire war, Varric." And there's Leliana, and we know she is also reasonable. I'll be waiting for Dawn of the Seeker and DA3 or a DA2 expansion to learn more. I want moar info on these fellows.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 06:57
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I would like to play as a Seeker as well. But I know there are people on these boards who do not want to be forced into service with the Chantry. Perhaps if the next game takes place in Orlais you can become a Seeker or not through the game. Taking missions from the Divine herself. Which would be awesome, branching paths like that would be a great step for the franchise.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 07:11
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Yeah, perhaps having certain companions for whatever path we choose at that point could be quite nifty, similar to Carver or Bethany, but much better perhaps. Or maybe if we are forced into seekerdom, it wouldn't be too far off from being forced to be a warden either, maybe not preferred but, having the ability to see the faces of the devout folks when they get another let down by being able to betray the Chantry in lieu Flemeth or Morrigan's potential importance might be worth it.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 07:50
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Annie_Dear wrote...
NOBODY EXPECTS THE ORLESIAN INQUISITION!
Their chief weapon is surprise.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 07:52
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They probably fall in the "do-nothing idiots" category. I mean, Meredith was acting like a looney for years while she was still alive and it takes three years after her death for an investigation to even start?
Epic fail.
Epic fail.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 08:27
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I thought the Inquisition were the Templar Order before they merged with the chantry and the Seekers of Truth were there to watch over the Inquisition - now Templar order?
The Seekers may have existed as part of the chantry before the inquisition joined them though and been the chantry's equivalent of mage hunters since there is that demonstration of them killing mages, But they were to small (and still are) a force to actually make a significant difference and so they tried to get the Inquisition to join their cause.
Then the Seekers changed their duties to be the Templars overseers
- Or the Seekers were created after the Inquisition joined the chantry to watch over the templars, Still hunting the more powerful mages from time to time
The Seekers may have existed as part of the chantry before the inquisition joined them though and been the chantry's equivalent of mage hunters since there is that demonstration of them killing mages, But they were to small (and still are) a force to actually make a significant difference and so they tried to get the Inquisition to join their cause.
Then the Seekers changed their duties to be the Templars overseers
- Or the Seekers were created after the Inquisition joined the chantry to watch over the templars, Still hunting the more powerful mages from time to time
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 08:44
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They probably fall in the "do-nothing idiots" category. I mean, Meredith was acting like a looney for years while she was still alive and it takes three years after her death for an investigation to even start?
Epic fail.
Complete and total epic fail. Just like the Viscount not ruling his city, Elthena not using her authority, and the nobles allowing a tyrant to rule them with fear. The Kirkwall story is full of failure and people lacking ambition, foresight, or even decent judgment.
Not saying that isn't realistic or that it's bad storytelling. Just saying a lot of people in DA2 do nothing and thus allow evil and injustice to thrive unopposed.
I thought the Inquisition were the Templar Order before they merged with the chantry and the Seekers of Truth were there to watch over the Inquisition - now Templar order?
They were. The Inquisition was replaced by the Circle System and quickly after that the Seekers of Truth were established. (I reread the codex entry before posting this and there's no date on when the Seekers were founded). If they were founded soon after the Circles then it's highly likely that the best Templars were made into Seekers. Which means both arms would have come out of the same Inquisition.
It has to take a bit of guesswork to reach that. Seekers could have been founded long after the Circles from people not of the Templars. We have no idea how they recruit but Leliana was not ever a Templar.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 09:02
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Foolsfolly wrote...
They probably fall in the "do-nothing idiots" category. I mean, Meredith was acting like a looney for years while she was still alive and it takes three years after her death for an investigation to even start?
Epic fail.
Complete and total epic fail. Just like the Viscount not ruling his city, Elthena not using her authority, and the nobles allowing a tyrant to rule them with fear. The Kirkwall story is full of failure and people lacking ambition, foresight, or even decent judgment.
Not saying that isn't realistic or that it's bad storytelling. Just saying a lot of people in DA2 do nothing and thus allow evil and injustice to thrive unopposed.
Well the Viscount was trying to appease every party and ending up failing. Elthena
was trying to be subtle by speaking to both Meredith and Orsino privately to avoid public displays, not to mention preventing more conflict on Kirkwall’s streets. A few nobles try to from some resistance to Meredith but are sold out and have to withdraw.
As for Meredith she was just strict heading to draconian due to the idol. And she wasn’t totally wrong about the circle harbouring blood mages (or at least turning them out).
Plenty of people did things, sometimes directly, others subtlety but all failed due to certain people and factors.
Your not wrong about how badly it was shown though or how the story was structured.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 09:16
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Well the Viscount was trying to appease every party and ending up failing.
A ruler cannot appease everyone. The classic saying, "If you don't stand for something you'll fall for anything" kinda plays into this. A good leader would have acted on the Qunari situation. A good leader would have challenged Meredith since Meredith has no right to be the de facto leader of the city.
A leader requires backbone, will, determination, and the charisma to focus others. The Viscount lacked these things because he was too worried about stepping on toes. He was a middle man who found himself leading, and thus Kirkwall lacked leadership even before Meredith refused to allow leaders to rise in Kirkwall.
Which was not her right. And Eltheina seemed fine with allowing Meredith to do this for years.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 09:21
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The fact that the Seekers are incompetent like the rest of the chantry and Kirkwall is the real tragedy.
If everybody else is incompetent I can deal with that. But when even the department for internal affairs has no idea what they are doing... man, Kirkwall is one hell of a reservoir for morons and fools.
If everybody else is incompetent I can deal with that. But when even the department for internal affairs has no idea what they are doing... man, Kirkwall is one hell of a reservoir for morons and fools.
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 01:32
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Maconbar wrote...
Annie_Dear wrote...
NOBODY EXPECTS THE ORLESIAN INQUISITION!
Their chief weapon is surprise.
And an almost fanatical devotion to the Divine.
No wait, that means they have two weapons...
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Posté 27 septembre 2011 - 03:34
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Stupidity along with exploding mages seemed to be the theme for DA2 - it must be something to do with the water in Kirkwall. Cassandra must have spent too long there as well because if she heard the whole story as presented in game, there is no way she could sum it up in the way she did. For a start, the first conclusion should have been, Kirkwall is a very bad place for mages and anyone else really to be. Then again since decisions were taken in the past that make no logical sense, stupidity is obviously not limited to the Dragon Age.
Whoever originally thought making the Circle in an old Tevinter slave prison, in a city which was linked so strongly with death and suffering, and close to a mountain, the vibes of which reduced Andraste to tears lasting 3 days, had to have been barking mad. I notice the Circle Tower in Ferelden was also originally a Tevinter construct. Why, when they preach so vehemently about the depravity of Tevinter and their propensity to use blood magic, which involves a lot of suffering and human sacrifice, has no one ever thought that the veil might be a bit thin in these locations and therefore not the best place to prevent mages turning into abominations?
And the Seekers are pretty useless if they are meant to regulate the Templars. How often do they drop in, just to check up on things? There were so many things going wrong in the Circle and among the Templars long before Act 3, it is impossible to believe they didn't get at least a hint of something being badly wrong. Yet the one thing none of the Templars, whether hardliners like Alric or liberals like Thrask, seemed afraid of was being hauled up in front of the Seekers. Hardly quaking in their boots as the codex suggested.
Whoever originally thought making the Circle in an old Tevinter slave prison, in a city which was linked so strongly with death and suffering, and close to a mountain, the vibes of which reduced Andraste to tears lasting 3 days, had to have been barking mad. I notice the Circle Tower in Ferelden was also originally a Tevinter construct. Why, when they preach so vehemently about the depravity of Tevinter and their propensity to use blood magic, which involves a lot of suffering and human sacrifice, has no one ever thought that the veil might be a bit thin in these locations and therefore not the best place to prevent mages turning into abominations?
And the Seekers are pretty useless if they are meant to regulate the Templars. How often do they drop in, just to check up on things? There were so many things going wrong in the Circle and among the Templars long before Act 3, it is impossible to believe they didn't get at least a hint of something being badly wrong. Yet the one thing none of the Templars, whether hardliners like Alric or liberals like Thrask, seemed afraid of was being hauled up in front of the Seekers. Hardly quaking in their boots as the codex suggested.
