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[Collider]

Renegade actions tend towards attempting to eliminate or suppress
potential threats/allies before they can become problems. The rachni
queen can't fall under reaper influence like her ancestors seemed to,
for example, because she is dead. However, in doing this, renegade
actions often alienates or removes potential allies, making for an
arguably less united galaxy. Which in itself can cause conflict.

Paragon
actions tends towards sparing potential allies/threats in hopes they do
not become enemies. Saving the council instead of focusing on removing
Sovereign for example, arguably makes for a more united galaxy. However,
paragon actions can leave certain people or groups alive or
strengthened to become problems later. It remains to be seen which of
these people or groups will not betray or act against paragon Shepard's
trust. Examples are heretic geth, krogan, rachni, etc.

There are exceptions, of course. Partly because Bioware isn't entirely consistent or clear on what paragon and renegade means.

What do you think? Which alignment - paragon or renegade - would probably or generally make the galaxy a safer place? Or do you have another perspective?

[Bigdoser]

eer both make the galaxy safer in their own way depending on how you play your shepard. I don't view decisions as renegade or paragon they are just decisions imo.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 27 septembre 2011 - 06:47 .

[JG The Gamer]

Commence the countdown to numerous walls of text and endless arguing.

I give a slight tip to the Paragon over the Renegade for a safer galaxy though.

Modifié par JG The Gamer, 27 septembre 2011 - 06:49 .

[EternalSea]

Udina: Collider, are you aware of the words "political ****storm"!?

[Ryzaki]

Both of them in different ways.
In before paragon vs renegade ****storm.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Someone get popcorn! Quick!

Seriously though, I believe it's purely a matter of perspective. Both make the galaxy safe in their own ways.

[AlexXIV]

Paragon or Renegade is about philosophy, not safety or even doing things right. Both Renegade and Paragon save the galaxy, so there is no difference in that regard. I dare say though that Paragon is the better example for other/young people. Renegade is more on the wild side.

[Dave of Canada]

Renegade, they're fixing the galaxy's problems rather than making them worse.

[Sailears]

Neither. They're both extremes, and the superiority of each approach depends on the situation.

Pure renegade, while efficiently neutralising threats, runs the risk of making more enemies and alienating people, which can cause a lot of problems. The galaxy would be made safer by minimising the things that can cause a disturbance, by focusing on those things.

Pure paragon will make more friends and the alliances forged would be the key factor in the safety, instead of attacking the things that can threaten the safety. However their lenient nature, always giving the benefit of the doubt, means some things that can cause problems are often free to do so.

Modifié par Curunen, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:08 .

[Drone223]

Both make scence and are also flawed

Paragon: Fixis problem's with depolmacy (spelling)
Renagade: Fixis problem's with brute force

(Begain **** storm)

[Ryzaki]

Curunen wrote...

Neither. They're both extremes, and the superiority of each approach depends on the situation.

Pure renegade, while efficiently neutralising threats, runs the risk of making more enemies and alienating people, which can cause a lot of problems. The galaxy would be made safer by minimising the things that can cause a disturbance, by focusing on those things.

Pure paragon will make more friends and the alliances forged would be the key factor in the safety, instead of attacking the things that can threaten the safety. However their lenient nature, always giving the benefit of the doubt, means some things that can cause problems are often free to do so.

This. 

[Ohei]

Well, it's kind of a paradox.

Eliminating any threat to the galaxy that is a threat in my eyes makes it safer. To me. Going around killing whoever might seem like a threat first sight means actual safety could be an issue.

I could go and execute every single rapist/serial killer/thief in the world.
But the world will have a new killer on the run.



Just my two cents, viewing it from a diff. perspective. Don't mean to spark any debates or anything of the sort lol, just trying to throw more unusual input.

Guess both sides have their pros and cons.

Modifié par Ohei, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:12 .

[Ultai]

Curunen wrote...

Neither. They're both extremes, and the superiority of each approach depends on the situation.

Pure renegade, while efficiently neutralising threats, runs the risk of making more enemies and alienating people, which can cause a lot of problems. The galaxy would be made safer by minimising the things that can cause a disturbance, by focusing on those things.

Pure paragon will make more friends and the alliances forged would be the key factor in the safety, instead of attacking the things that can threaten the safety. However their lenient nature, always giving the benefit of the doubt, means some things that can cause problems are often free to do so.

I concur

[Bigdoser]

Curunen wrote...

Neither. They're both extremes, and the superiority of each approach depends on the situation.

Pure renegade, while efficiently neutralising threats, runs the risk of making more enemies and alienating people, which can cause a lot of problems. The galaxy would be made safer by minimising the things that can cause a disturbance, by focusing on those things.

Pure paragon will make more friends and the alliances forged would be the key factor in the safety, instead of attacking the things that can threaten the safety. However their lenient nature, always giving the benefit of the doubt, means some things that can cause problems are often free to do so.

Yup some people don't understand this.

[lovgreno]

It's impossible for Shepard to know what will have the best long term effects as he is not a oracle. Also a important theme in the ME story is that renegade or paragon have nothing to do with good, evil, right, wrong etc...

Saying that paragon or renegade is the right choice is just bad imagination.

Modifié par lovgreno, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:29 .

[AlexXIV]

Ultai wrote...

Curunen wrote...

Neither. They're both extremes, and the superiority of each approach depends on the situation.

Pure renegade, while efficiently neutralising threats, runs the risk of making more enemies and alienating people, which can cause a lot of problems. The galaxy would be made safer by minimising the things that can cause a disturbance, by focusing on those things.

Pure paragon will make more friends and the alliances forged would be the key factor in the safety, instead of attacking the things that can threaten the safety. However their lenient nature, always giving the benefit of the doubt, means some things that can cause problems are often free to do so.

I concur

The problem I have with some renegade decisions is that they actually sometimes make things worse as well. It is a myth that renegade eliminates all problems. It eliminates people maybe, blows up things. But all problems are not bound to people. Problems, especially of social nature, cannot be fixed by triggerhappy cowboys. For that you need someone the people trust, all people. Someone who is known for his/her integrity and ability to solve problems without unleashing hell on everyone in close distance.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:29 .

[ddv.rsa]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Renegade, they're fixing the galaxy's problems rather than making them worse.

Many paragons see saving the genophage cure and sparing the Rachni Queen as righting great wrongs. The moral highground.

[Drone223]

lovgreno wrote...

It's impossible for Shepard to know what is best as he is not a oracle. Also a important theme in the ME story is that renegade or paragon have nothing to do with good, evil, right, wrong etc...

Saying that paragon or renegade is the right choice is just bad imagination.

+1

[Saberchic]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Renegade, they're fixing the galaxy's problems rather than making them worse.

Many paragons see saving the genophage cure and sparing the Rachni Queen as righting great wrongs. The moral highground.

And some renegades might see those actions as impractical. Cure the genophage and the krogans will more than likely rise up again (this time more pissed and ready for revenge); let the Rachni Queen go and watch as a fierce race gets re-indoctrinated by the reapers or threatens the lives of the council races again. 

[ddv.rsa]

Saberchic wrote...

And some renegades might see those actions as impractical. Cure the genophage and the krogans will more than likely rise up again (this time more pissed and ready for revenge); let the Rachni Queen go and watch as a fierce race gets re-indoctrinated by the reapers or threatens the lives of the council races again. 

I doubt that. How do you know Bioware? <_<

[BatmanPWNS]

None since both will be the death of us all.

[AlexXIV]

Saberchic wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Renegade, they're fixing the galaxy's problems rather than making them worse.

Many paragons see saving the genophage cure and sparing the Rachni Queen as righting great wrongs. The moral highground.

And some renegades might see those actions as impractical. Cure the genophage and the krogans will more than likely rise up again (this time more pissed and ready for revenge); let the Rachni Queen go and watch as a fierce race gets re-indoctrinated by the reapers or threatens the lives of the council races again. 

People always recite the Rachni Queen and the Genophage. I personally don't care either way. Keeping the cure and setting the Rachni Queen was my personal choice, independed of paragon/renegade. Well as are all my decisions. But one thing I had really trouble with is Zaheeds quest. I wanted Vido dead, just like Zaheed. But at the point let the people in the factory burn I felt like the biggest ass in the galaxy and just couldn't go on. Yeah it's true in all my playthroughs, even renegade playthrough, I never killed Vido. Even though I wish I could. Point is, the people die and Vido will just be replaced by someone else. The Blue Suns are not any weaker if you kill Vido, it is only Zaheeds personal revenge. But for me personally it feels a bit odd to fail the mission on purpose. But better than letting the workers die in the fire.

Modifié par AlexXIV, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:39 .

[sevach]

Renegades makes for a safer galaxy, paragons basically hopes their allies are gonna be of help in defeating the Reapers and then hold hands and be friends afterward.

Renegade Shep is out to win this war in his/her own way and without letting any loose ends behind.