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[Ramus Quaritch]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Urazz wrote...

I'd say paragades or renegons would end up making the galaxy safer. They both use diplomacy when applicable but use brute force when appropiate.

Somewhat off topic, but what exactly is a paragade / renegon? I've been on these boards for ages but I've never seen a definition.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it is a Mass Effect 2 mod that allows you to use both charm or intimidate regardless of your paragon and renegade meters.

[Seboist]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Urazz wrote...

I'd say paragades or renegons would end up making the galaxy safer. They both use diplomacy when applicable but use brute force when appropiate.

Somewhat off topic, but what exactly is a paragade / renegon? I've been on these boards for ages but I've never seen a definition.

Paragade = Mostly Paragon with a good amount of Renegade
Renegon:  The opposite of the above

[Ramus Quaritch]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ramus Quaritch wrote...

I think Paragade is the best because there are times where you need to make unpopular but necessary choices to harden the galaxy and prepare it for the trials it will face. At the same time, the galaxy won't be safer if you are killing/antagonizing potential allies. So I think it is best for the galaxy if you strike a balance between the two.

This.

Ow you shot me!  I wasn't shooting at you, at least not yet.  

[GodWood]

ddv.rsa wrote...
Somewhat off topic, but what exactly is a paragade / renegon? I've been on these boards for ages but I've never seen a definition.

I'm not really a fan of the terms but from what I understand:

Paragade = All the BIG CHOICES are paragon but they're not above using a renegade interupt when necessary.

Renegon = Nice guys who remain cold and calculated when it comes to the BIG CHOICES.

[ddv.rsa]

GodWood wrote...

I'm not really a fan of the terms but from what I understand:

Paragade = All the BIG CHOICES are paragon but they're not above using a renegade interupt when necessary.

Renegon = Nice guys who remain cold and calculated when it comes to the BIG CHOICES.

Ok. So a Paragade might stick a gun in Conrad Verner's face, but he'd save the Council. A Renegon might stop the kid at afterlife from signing on as a merc, but would keep the Collector base. About right?

[GodWood]

ddv.rsa wrote...
Ok. So a Paragade might stick a gun in Conrad Verner's face, but he'd save the Council. A Renegon might stop the kid at afterlife from signing on as a merc, but would keep the Collector base. About right?

From what I understand, yes.

Mordin would be an example of a 'renegon'.
I can't really think of a companion who could be considered 'paragade' though.

[Seboist]

GodWood wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...
Ok. So a Paragade might stick a gun in Conrad Verner's face, but he'd save the Council. A Renegon might stop the kid at afterlife from signing on as a merc, but would keep the Collector base. About right?

From what I understand, yes.

Mordin would be an example of a 'renegon'.
I can't really think of a companion who could be considered 'paragade' though.

Tali? She's not ruthless but she's pretty fiesty and neutral-ish.

Modifié par Seboist, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:18 .

[Barquiel]

Liara and Jacob are "Paragades", imo.

[Funkcase]

Renegade is the safest, it's pretty much better safe than sorry. Paragon can be too trusting and tends to believe there's good to be found in everything, admorable, but dangerous..

The only renegade choice I thought was terrible was to sacrifice the council, trying to fight a war without leaders isn't going to end well, with a human council the other species wouldn't trust humanity, saving the council gains their trust.

Modifié par Funkcase, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:24 .

[GodWood]

Seboist wrote...
Tali? She's not ruthless but she's pretty fiesty and neutral-ish.

I guess.

Modifié par GodWood, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:22 .

[ddv.rsa]

Barquiel wrote...

Liara and Jacob are "Paragades", imo.

The Shadow Broker and a Cerberus operative? Jacob is even willing to kill his own father.

[ddv.rsa]

Funkcase wrote...
The only renegade choice I thought was terrible was to sacrifice the council, trying to fight a war without leaders isn't going to end well, with a human council the other species wouldn't trust humanity, saving the council gains their trust.

Imo humans taking over the Council really only hurt the Turians. By the time of ME1 the Asari and Salarians had been reduced to little more than stooges. Just look at the Treaty of Farixen.

True, the Turians will probably despise a Shepard who deposed the Council they dominated. But while the Asari and Salarians might be somewhat resentful I think they'll be willing to deal with you regardless. Races without a seat on  the Council lost nothing, so I don't see why they would really care.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:30 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara and Jacob are "Paragades", imo.

The Shadow Broker and a Cerberus operative? Jacob is even willing to kill his own father.

That wasn't his father.

[ddv.rsa]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Liara and Jacob are "Paragades", imo.

The Shadow Broker and a Cerberus operative? Jacob is even willing to kill his own father.

That wasn't his father.

How do you figure? Because he committed atrocities? Because he never lived up to Jacob's expectations? That doesn't change the fact that he is the man who fathered Jacob.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:37 .

[Zakatak757]

Renegon overall.

Paragades are not sure what they are.
Paragons don't get things done.
Renegades make everything around them miserable.

[Collider]

When Liara threatens to kill 5 potentially innocent people to make sure that the spy is dead, she ceases to become a paragon/paragade, imo.

[ddv.rsa]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

He's referring to the fact that Jacob says "This man is not my father" about 400 times throughout his loyalty mission.

Ah, I missed the joke.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:44 .

[Zakatak757]

GodWood wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...
Somewhat off topic, but what exactly is a paragade / renegon? I've been on these boards for ages but I've never seen a definition.

I'm not really a fan of the terms but from what I understand:

Paragade = All the BIG CHOICES are paragon but they're not above using a renegade interupt when necessary.

Renegon = Nice guys who remain cold and calculated when it comes to the BIG CHOICES.

I think you got it wrong actually.

An example of a Renegon action would be, for example, killing Zaeed for letting the Refinery go up in flames. Or yelling at the Quarian admirals all the time, for Tali's sake. I see a Renegon as someone who fights for the good of the galaxy, but doesn't really care how mean they have to be to do it.

[GodWood]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
They rarely give you opinions of what choice to make, and sometimes when they do (such as on whether to save the Council), their response is entirely based on whoever else is with you (Tali will tell you to kill the Council when Liara is around, but to save them when Wrex is there).

Well technically their is still an order to where they fit on the paragon/renegade spectrum in ME1.

Kaidan
Liara
Tali
Garrus
Ashley
Wrex

(However Kaidan becomes 'most renegade' if you harden him, and Ashley becomes 'most paragon' if you soften her)

[Asari_Party]

Collider wrote...

When Liara threatens to kill 5 potentially innocent people to make sure that the spy is dead, she ceases to become a paragon/paragade, imo.

These people were anything but innocent.

[Seboist]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Renegon overall.

Paragades are not sure what they are.
Paragons don't get things done.
Renegades make everything around them miserable.

Renegon is best. I'm able to empower humanity with renegade decisions(ex.killing council and saving CB) and kill criminals and use Paragon ones to save human lives (ex. Feros colony and human in Jacob's LM) and have alien scum like Pitner For, Anoleis and the two Asari merchants on Illium serve hard time in San Quentin.

[Barquiel]

Zakatak757 wrote...

Paragons don't get things done.

For example?