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[ddv.rsa]

Barquiel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Paragons don't get things done.

For example?

Giving the Samesh the body back. He later writes and tells you that he's fulfilled her dream of opening a restaurant. How sweet. Then there's a newsflash that Alliance recruitment is falling, as the public lacks confidence in it's ability to counter geth technology. Nice work, champ.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 27 septembre 2011 - 11:03 .

[Sudsaroo]

 Paragon is safer for the galaxy and humanity.

If you're Renegade, that means you killed the Council causing everyone to dislike humans even more, and you handed the Collector base to  TIM, who can use the technology to aid the Reapers.

[Zakatak757]

Barquiel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Paragons don't get things done.

For example?

Face it.

In a true galactic war, you wouldn't get jack squat done doing nice little errands for random people. You would push them aside and stay on the task at hand. I'm not going to spend 10 minutes negotiating with a Merc to get some information, I'm going to give him 10 seconds or I push him out the window or put a bullet in his skull.

I think a proper Renegon would make all the good "big" choices (besides maybe the Council scene/Rachni queen), like saving Wrex/etc, but punch, shoot, and kill every bad guy in between.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 27 septembre 2011 - 11:06 .

[ddv.rsa]

Sudsaroo wrote...

 Paragon is safer for the galaxy and humanity.

If you're Renegade, that means you killed the Council causing everyone to dislike humans even more, and you handed the Collector base to  TIM, who can use the technology to aid the Reapers.

Rubbish. Cerberus doesn't need to reverse engineer any technology from that base- once they join the Reapers they'll receive it freely. You really aren't helping the enemy by keeping that base.

On the other hand, if they start researching before joining the Reapers, the Alliance can still get that data. Turncoat operatives, raiding Cerberus bases, whatever. 

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 27 septembre 2011 - 11:08 .

[DieDjae]

Paragon will definitely make things safer for those that come into contact with Shepard.
You can argue both ways as to how renegade and paragon affect things further down the line.

[sponge56]

ddv.rsa wrote...


Giving the Samesh the body back. He later writes and tells you that he's fulfilled her dream of opening a restaurant. How sweet. Then there's a newsflash that Alliance recruitment is falling, as the public lacks confidence in it's ability to counter geth technology. Nice work, champ.

..what? You just quoted two unrelated incidents mate.  Thats like saying ice cream causes hayfeaver becasue people eat ice cream in the summer

[Dave of Canada]

sponge56 wrote...

..what? You just quoted two unrelated incidents mate.  Thats like saying ice cream causes hayfeaver becasue people eat ice cream in the summer

Actually, giving the body to the Alliance was supposed to change the "fear of inferior technology" news report to something else but it was bugged.

[sponge56]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Actually, giving the body to the Alliance was supposed to change the "fear of inferior technology" news report to something else but it was bugged.

I stand corrected

[Kaiser Shepard]

Luc0s wrote...

inb4 same old paragon v.s renegade bullshit.


... oh wait... nevermind...

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

[Seboist]

Dave of Canada wrote...

sponge56 wrote...

..what? You just quoted two unrelated incidents mate.  Thats like saying ice cream causes hayfeaver becasue people eat ice cream in the summer

Actually, giving the body to the Alliance was supposed to change the "fear of inferior technology" news report to something else but it was bugged.

Yep, it was supposed to say "Alliance military officials are prepared to announce new weapons
upgrades, the result of data obtained from the geth attack on Eden Prime
years ago."
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Mass Effect 2 Cut Content

[Zakatak757]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Luc0s wrote...

inb4 same old paragon v.s renegade bullshit.


... oh wait... nevermind...

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

Only thing worse then a lame topic is people whose sole purpose on the forum is to make a 5 word statement about why they are lame, regardless if they are or not.

[Yezdigerd]

I guess it depends on which part of the galaxy you are in, if bioware give renegade the option of executing or torturing you, you are done for, then they will explain why it was necessary.

[Han Shot First]

GodWood wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...
Ok. So a Paragade might stick a gun in Conrad Verner's face, but he'd save the Council. A Renegon might stop the kid at afterlife from signing on as a merc, but would keep the Collector base. About right?

From what I understand, yes.

Mordin would be an example of a 'renegon'.
I can't really think of a companion who could be considered 'paragade' though.

ME2 and LotSB Liara might fit the bill.

When Liara threatens to kill 5 potentially innocent people to make sure that the spy is dead, she ceases to become a paragon/paragade, imo.

Ruthless, yes.

But I don't know if that automatically puts her in full on renegade territory. None of those people were 'innocent' even if they weren't guilty of double dealing.

I see her as paragade in ME2 and LotSB. She's willing to do some renegade actions like threatening to flay someone with her mind in order to get what she wants, or killing those 5 people if need be, but she's leans paragon when it comes to the big picture.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 septembre 2011 - 12:20 .

[Bigdoser]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...

Paragons don't get things done.

For example?

Giving the Samesh the body back. He later writes and tells you that he's fulfilled her dream of opening a restaurant. How sweet. Then there's a newsflash that Alliance recruitment is falling, as the public lacks confidence in it's ability to counter geth technology. Nice work, champ.

What are you talking about? you can use renegade and paragon responses to either let the alliance keep the body or release it heck i used a charm on samesh to explain why they can't release the body. the decision can be made by a paragon or renegade since you got an intimidate option and a charm option for either choices. Personally I don't understand these paragon vs renegade debates I don't mind when people discuss various decisions but most of the time the topic just turns into each side berating each others decisions, GUYS ITS JUST A GAME.

Modifié par Bigdoser, 28 septembre 2011 - 12:38 .

[Thompson family]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Renegade because it eliminates variables more often than does Paragon.

Elimination of variables = alone and trapped.

Renegade = Paranoid.

Are you for real? Destroying the genophage cure and killing the Rachni Queen are paranoid? I strongly suggest you read the codex entries on the Krogan Rebellions and Rachni Wars. Frankly I'd rather be "paranoid" if the alternative is gambling with billions of lives.

As for destroying the Collector Base because you distrust a group sworn to defend humanity- that is paranoid.

Yes, I am quite for real and I've read the codex entries, thank you very much. And when Hitler invated the Soviet Union, Churchill did for Stalin exactly what I expect the Alliance to do -- Help the Soviet Union.

I've read the "codex entries" on China, which killed millions of its own people during the "Great Leap Forward and so forth." I've read the "codex entries" on the U.S.A, which largely wiped out the native population of a continent. I've read the "codex entries" of Russia, where the Stalinist regeme managed to exceed the brutality of the Romanoffs, etc., etc, etc.

I would ally with Balak the terrorist if he came up with a workable plan to kill a Reaper by slamming an asteriod into it.

My aim is to stop the Reapers. Anyone who would fight with me is my friend. Anyone who fights against me or my allies is  my foe. I have no other aim than to beat the Reapers. No other enemy who may or may not seek the extinction of the human race is so great a peril as the Reapers. Even if the Rachni or the Krogan or whomever ally with the Reapers, more will join the fight against extinction than submit to it.

Modifié par Thompson family, 28 septembre 2011 - 12:51 .

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

Yes, I am quite for real and I've read the codex entries, thank you very much. And when Hitler...

That didn't take long.

If you read more history, SD, you'd recognize TIM for what he is.

[Arkitekt]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Renegade because it eliminates variables more often than does Paragon.

I just love this quote. It's so insanity wolf.

"Achieve world peace: KILL EVERYONE"

[Thompson family]

Saphra Deden wrote...


I love history and TIM is not Hitler. He's more like a founding father. One day every human will celebrate Jack Harper's birthday.

I'll remember that when my Spep is fighting off all his storm troopers.