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[Landline]

It seems to me that Paragon choices will make defeating the Reapers easier, while renegade choices will lead to a more stable universe post Reapers.

It's strange, because when you consider the paragon and renegade personalities, you'd think the opposite would be true.

[ddv.rsa]

Landline wrote...

It seems to me that Paragon choices will make defeating the Reapers easier, while renegade choices will lead to a more stable universe post Reapers.

It's strange, because when you consider the paragon and renegade personalities, you'd think the opposite would be true.

I don't think so. Renegades may give stability to humanity, but only at the expense of aliens. 

Imo Paragon vs. Renegade comes down to loyalty to the galaxy vs. loyalty to humanity.

[Inquisitor Recon]

One of the things I think the Renegade-haters forget is the benefits of the possible cold-war between the humans and turians. More ships = better chance against the reapers.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Neither. The decisions and consequences have different outcomes. They are not entirely consistent and unified.

I'm a paragade (or renagon) anyway.

[Ieldra]

My usual extrapolation is this:

Paragon decisions will push things towards a safer and more stable galaxy with species tempering their natural rivalry through a spirit of co-operation. The downside is that it is less dynamic, that a spirit of exploration and advancement is largely absent and the old Council restrictions in research and exploration remain mostly in place. Some would say that this peace and stability is not worth the stagnation that accompanies it.

Renegade decisions will push things towards a galaxy imbued with a spirit of advancement and exploration. Mass portals will be opened and new technologies will be researched including AI and Reaper technology. Unfortunately, rivalry between species is enhanced through Shepard's actions in the war and widespread fear of what the new technologies will bring, which leads to a general atmosphere of distrust and more violent conflicts. Some say this technological and cultural dynamism isn't worth the conflicts that accompany it.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:22 .

[ScotGaymer]

I am hoping that they will pretty much balance out in the end. Just have different outcomes.

I say that because I would hate to have put effort into 3 games for my Renegade Playthru (My Gay Black ManShep lol) only for the game to batter me at the end of ME3 for my choice.

To me most of the time being renegade isnt being an ****; it is being "pragmatic" about your choices. Often Paragon choices are unrealistic, or massively difficult, and thats what makes them "paragon" because only someone of very high moral standards would want the hassle of going thru with those choices.
Will as a species we like to think we are, and prefer to be, paragon in nature it just isnt how it works out. Renegade choices most often tend to be the closest to how humans really behave in high stress situations like the ones Shepard finds himself in regularily, not particularily nice but in the end getting the job done.

Given that, to me both sides should have serious drawbacks as well as advantages.

Take the choice of the Heretic Geth; rewriting them seems the obvious choice as it strengthens the Geth and makes them a powerful ally in the struggle against the Reapers. But perhaps in ME3 doing that makes them so strong that they do serious damage, perhaps even cripple, the Quarian Armada when they attack in an attempt to retake their homeworld resulting in a huge loss of life.
And the Renegade choice of destroying them results in pretty much the opposite happening, with a huge Quarian victory and many Geth dying during the little war they have.

That way it comes to personal choice and neither is "perfect" which would be realistic and proper.

[marshalleck]

Arcian wrote...

>Renegade
>Safe
Ohgodicantstoplaughing.jpg

Paragons let Balak go. How's your terrorist friend doing these days? Killed many women and children lately? Destroyed any colonies?

[Wulfram]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Meh. The turians are the real losers if humanity takes over. The Salarians and Asari may have had Council seats, but by the time of ME1 are reduced to little more than stooges. Just look at the Treaty of Farixen, and even the Salarians currying favor with the Turians in hope of protection.

3+3>5.  The Treaty of Farixen suits the original council races very well.

[Barquiel]

ReconTeam wrote...

One of the things I think the Renegade-haters forget is the benefits of the possible cold-war between the humans and turians. More ships = better chance against the reapers.

The dreadnought count is exactly the same with both councils: 39 turians, 20 asari, 16 salarians, and 8 humans

human-led: you get the arms race news report
asari-led: you get a report that the attack on human colonies has "other council species looking to their own security"

[Bad King]

marshalleck wrote...

Arcian wrote...

>Renegade
>Safe
Ohgodicantstoplaughing.jpg

Paragons let Balak go. How's your terrorist friend doing these days? Killed many women and children lately? Destroyed any colonies?

Mr. Santiago also gives his regards to his paragon buddies. He may well have went and captured a few more refineries after escaping the refinery on Zorya.

Modifié par Bad King, 28 septembre 2011 - 10:59 .

[Wulfram]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Giving the Samesh the body back. He later writes and tells you that he's fulfilled her dream of opening a restaurant. How sweet. Then there's a newsflash that Alliance recruitment is falling, as the public lacks confidence in it's ability to counter geth technology. Nice work, champ.

Not a Paragon/Renegade choice.  You can Charm Bhatia into agreeing to the test, or Intimidate Bosker into releasing the body.

[sorentoft]

Paragon. All you do as a renegade is to start conflict and increase human dominance. In the end the other races will get sick of the oppression and rebel.

[Solmanian]

I imagine that if you went pure renegade, the universe is going to hell in a hand basket. Dead council, no allies to speak off, you're not even a spectre. I don't think it's a unwinnable situation, but it will be like the difference between doing the suicide mission with full upgrades&loyalties compard to what happens if you go without loyalties and ship upgrades (a whole lot of people gonna die).

[wright1978]

Hopefully a mixture of some Paragon and some renegade will turn out to be best.

[Xilizhra]

Since most of Shepard's actions involve violence, it's actually impossible to be purely Paragon in-universe. A healthy dollop of Paragon actions taken when possible seems to make the universe a better place.

[Dean_the_Young]

Paragon has never meant non-violent.

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Paragon has never meant non-violent.

How would you define it?

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Paragon has never meant non-violent.

How would you define it?

Talk nicely first, kill if they don't submit, don't kill if they are subdued..

[Xilizhra]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Paragon has never meant non-violent.

How would you define it?

Talk nicely first, kill if they don't submit, don't kill if they are subdued..

Then I'd say Paragon is just fine to hold to.

[Dean_the_Young]

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

Paragon has never meant non-violent.

How would you define it?

Talk nicely first, kill if they don't submit, don't kill if they are subdued..

Then I'd say Paragon is just fine to hold to.

Oh, that attitude itself has plenty of flaws in practice in circumstances of many types, especially in positions of power. It isn't even that Renegade is 'talk rudely first' as a contrast.

[Labrev]

 I think what BW was going for was, Paragons make allies, Renegades elminate more enemies.

[Arkitekt]

Paragons are fairies, and Renegades are ****es.

All of those will have a "good ending", that is, something that will please each kind of Shepard.

[KOS-MOS56]

Paragade ... take the best of both worlds