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[Apollo Starflare]

Y'know, I initially thought the chances of it being Vega-related were sadly very slim given the apparent super secretness. However it might make sense to start the reveals around about now, release is still a long way off but the marketing could certainly be dragged out that long.

I mean, we've known about Vega for so long it feels like he was properly announced ages ago, but really he hasn't had anything like what the new squadmates in ME2 had. So yeah, maybe the press got a to see a new chunk of the game featuring Vega and that'll be what the next round of previews focus on, alongside a big chunk of Vega goodness.

Or maybe it's not. *shrugs*

[JeffZero]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

Y'know, I initially thought the chances of it being Vega-related were sadly very slim given the apparent super secretness. However it might make sense to start the reveals around about now, release is still a long way off but the marketing could certainly be dragged out that long.

I mean, we've known about Vega for so long it feels like he was properly announced ages ago, but really he hasn't had anything like what the new squadmates in ME2 had. So yeah, maybe the press got a to see a new chunk of the game featuring Vega and that'll be what the next round of previews focus on, alongside a big chunk of Vega goodness.

Or maybe it's not. *shrugs*

I just hope they don't give him one of those "who the team is" vids from ME2's marketing campaign where a CG version of the guy tilts forward toward the camera and goes "Shepard can worry about thinking. I want to kill!"

Modifié par JeffZero, 28 septembre 2011 - 02:17 .

[Doug4130]

maybe it's the volus squad member announcement

[Homey C-Dawg]

It could be multiplayer but I see nothing in OP's link to suggest it, other than the infamous "something" statement.

Moving on...

[The-Person]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

The-Person wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

To OP:
Please can you change the title? Because I think it's misleading a little. I mean, YOU are assuming that it's about MP, others are thinking probably in something else.
I suggest you to change it for "Possible new announcement in this week." or somthing like that

Can't change the title I'm afraid.

Why not?
Because you don't want to or you cant?

I can't, tried to edit it, but it won't let me.

[Han Shot First]

1.  Where do you think that money comes from?  They don't give the Dev team more money just to implement Multiplayer,  they give them the same amount of money and tell them to do both.  So the Single-player experience ends up suffering horribly.

This.

Resources like money, are finite.
 
It makes no matter if there are superate development teams working on the single player game and the multiplayer aspect. The budget for the game is still going to be the same, which means that money that could have been used for the development of aspects of the single player game, has instead been diverted to the unnecessary multiplayer game. Of course the single player game would suffer.

Thanks, but no thanks. Keep Mass Effect single player.

Those that want their multiplayer fix can go play Call of Duty 18, or whatever sequel they are up to now.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 28 septembre 2011 - 02:21 .

[JeffZero]

ME2 blew critics' minds. ME3 is probably being given a somewhat larger budget because of that. And, you know, sales and so forth.

Something to consider.

[1136342t54_]

Han Shot First wrote...

1.  Where do you think that money comes from?  They don't give the Dev team more money just to implement Multiplayer,  they give them the same amount of money and tell them to do both.  So the Single-player experience ends up suffering horribly.

This.

Resources like money, are finite.
 
It makes no matter if there are superate development teams working on the single player game and the multiplayer aspect. The budget for the game is still going to be the same, which means that money that could have been used for the development of aspects of the single player game, has instead been diverted to the unnecessary multiplayer game. Of course the single player game would suffer.

Thanks, but no thanks. Keep Mass Effect single player.

The money could also be instead going to the DLC that you may get months in advance or too marketing. I see the Multiplayer for a game like Mass Effect as something akin to DLC but it would just come with the game.

Edit: To assume ALL the money goes directly towards the single player campaign that we initially is get false.

Modifié par 1136342t54 , 28 septembre 2011 - 02:23 .

[The-Person]

Han Shot First wrote...

1.  Where do you think that money comes from?  They don't give the Dev team more money just to implement Multiplayer,  they give them the same amount of money and tell them to do both.  So the Single-player experience ends up suffering horribly.

This.

Resources like money, are finite.
 
It makes no matter if there are superate development teams working on the single player game and the multiplayer aspect. The budget for the game is still going to be the same, which means that money that could have been used for the development of aspects of the single player game, has instead been diverted to the unnecessary multiplayer game. Of course the single player game would suffer.

Thanks, but no thanks. Keep Mass Effect single player.

You do not how much the budget for either ME3 or ME2. You are assuming that they have not increased the budget for multiplayer.

[Epic777]

JeffZero wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Should the test online test specialist been hired from the beginning?

Testers don't make the games, they test them.

But thats not how you create software. You don't test it all at the end. You create it little by little and test each part. This will have millions of lines of code (windows xp has 40 million), maybe thousands of functions. You will have to maybe create testing oracles, do regression and intergration testing. All the program functions will have to tested to see if they work. I mean really work not just have the correct answer but also the  correct methods for having said answer. 

[Chala]

The-Person wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

The-Person wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

To OP:
Please can you change the title? Because I think it's misleading a little. I mean, YOU are assuming that it's about MP, others are thinking probably in something else.
I suggest you to change it for "Possible new announcement in this week." or somthing like that

Can't change the title I'm afraid.

Why not?
Because you don't want to or you cant?

I can't, tried to edit it, but it won't let me.

Well, that's bad

[Apollo Starflare]

Really don't see multiplayer being the used game DRM either, although it's possible I guess. They could achieve similar results with much less faffing around creating a whole new gameplay mode.

I'm not one of those who is ruling out the possibility completely, because I've known companies I love/like/respect to make what I consider to be daft decisions in the past. I just can't see that being the justification, nor what would sell it to already skeptical games journos and fans/gamers.

Although I'm not sure how they are going to sell it to the vast majority of us full stop. I agree that most people will either a) be annoyed at the uneccesary addition of multiplayer to what has previously been a single player epic, or find the multiplayer options presented underwhelming in comparison to those games created by teams who have been heavily focused on the multiplayer experience for ages.

It's not that I don't think BioWare could make a great Mass Effect multiplayer game, it's more that it seems nonsensical to me to rush it out with the third title in a single player trilogy when this is a franchise with 'gold mine' written all over it. It doesn't jive with what I heard in their keynote speech at Eurogamer either.

They could have a Mass Effect title focused on multiplayer that follows up the trilogy out in a year and half with their resources, hell didn't Ubi Soft get AC: Brotherhood out in a year? Although that was practically an expansion pack to AC2.

JeffZero wrote...

I just hope they don't give him one of those "who the team is" vids from ME2's marketing campaign where a CG version of the guy tilts forward toward the camera and goes "Shepard can worry about thinking. I want to kill!"

Okay now that you have put that possibility out there I want it. I want it bad. I wouldn't give a damn if he says something stupid (hell I'd probably like it all the more, this is Vega!), just seeing his face all CGI'd would make my day.

[JeffZero]

Haha, good point.

[Lunatic LK47]

Sudsaroo wrote...

I honestly don't understand why people would despise multiplayer being in Mass Effect.

First of all, that "taking away resources from single-player" thing is the stupidest crap I've ever witnessed. I would've thought most people knew that campaign development and multiplayer development are COMPLETELY different, and have completely different teams working on it. The campaign would be as good as it is, with or without multiplayer. Same goes for any other game.

Tell that to Danger Close and DICE regarding Medal of Honor 2010. Both aspects of the game were mediocre and got mixed reviews about it..

Now that that's been said, multiplayer itself is a CHOICE. You don't have to play it if you don't want to people! Don't ruin the chances of it coming to life for others that would enjoy it!

Except for one tiny little problem. Multiplayer is made mandatory for certain franchises to get the most out of it. I outright hate the Gears of War franchise not just because of **** story-telling requiring novels to give us basic exposition, but because soloing campaign is ****ing boring. I had more fun with any Call of Duty game made by Infinity Ward over that P.O.S. franchise. Halo, went downhill starting with game #2 and I found the campaigns uninspiring just because they focused more on making X-Box Live functional.


Second of all, Multiplayer has AN ARTIFICIAL TIME LIMIT. If the community isn't playing anymore, you're **** out of luck. I've seen that with every Tom Clancy game I decided to buy for $20. Only Tom Clancy games I bought at launch were EndWar and Splinter Cell Conviction, and even if I did buy the games closer to launch, they died literally two months later.

[Apollo Starflare]

Doug4130 wrote...

maybe it's the volus squad member announcement

Don't get my hopes up. Don't you dare.

[JeffZero]

Epic777 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Should the test online test specialist been hired from the beginning?

Testers don't make the games, they test them.

But thats not how you create software. You don't test it all at the end. You create it little by little and test each part. This will have millions of lines of code (windows xp has 40 million), maybe thousands of functions. You will have to maybe create testing oracles, do regression and intergration testing. All the program functions will have to tested to see if they work. I mean really work not just have the correct answer but also the  correct methods for having said answer. 

Well, fair enough. You sound like you have more experience with this sort of thing than I.

[Vertigo_1]

Epic777 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Epic777 wrote...

Should the test online test specialist been hired from the beginning?

Testers don't make the games, they test them.

But thats not how you create software. You don't test it all at the end. You create it little by little and test each part. This will have millions of lines of code (windows xp has 40 million), maybe thousands of functions. You will have to maybe create testing oracles, do regression and intergration testing. All the program functions will have to tested to see if they work. I mean really work not just have the correct answer but also the  correct methods for having said answer.

This man speaks the truth

[JeffZero]

Glad to have Vertigo-level confirmation.

[Han Shot First]

You do not how much the budget for either ME3 or ME2. You are assuming that they have not increased the budget for multiplayer.

You are assuming that they would.

[JeffZero]

Tangent: I keep reading my line in Keith David's voice now. Like that "Spectres are born" thing from ME1.

"Testers don't make games, they test them." *Anderson stare*

[Sudsaroo]

Gatt9 wrote...

Two points.

1.  Where do you think that money comes from?  They don't give the Dev team more money just to implement Multiplayer,  they give them the same amount of money and tell them to do both.  So the Single-player experience ends up suffering horribly.

2.  The number of people who will play ME3 for multiplayer is ridiculously small.  It's a single-player experience.  It has no hooks for multiplayer,  nothing we haven't seen 8,000 times before over the past 20 years.  I really highly doubt Deathmatches between Shepherds or fighting Waves is really going to be seen as anything other than lackluster.  Mainly because you could go buy CoD,  or GoW,  and get a game designed around the shooter concept,  rather than take a game designed around a narrative concept and try to force it in.

Multiplayer is in ME3 for one reason,  and one reason only.

It's EA's Used-Game DRM.  They use it to force people who buy used to pay them anyways,  making the used copy pointless.

1. This statement would be true for brand new titles, but ME3 is the third of a trilogy of games that look exactly alike. It will undoubtadly use resources from the other games (seeing as they're all made within Unreal 3), saving time and money needed, meaning it can go somewhere else without jeopardizing that area of development.

Besides. You said they recently hired someone for it. Either they got quite a bit of money leftover, or they're getting more funds.

2. Possibly. But undoubtably, most would give it a chance. It all depends on Bioware's work from that point. If they did a good enough job for people to say "Wow, this is actually pretty fun!", then perhaps the multiplayer community would strive.

I honestly think a Plant-the-Bomb type of game between Eclipse and the Blue Suns would be fun

Modifié par Sudsaroo, 28 septembre 2011 - 02:35 .

[The-Person]

Han Shot First wrote...

You do not how much the budget for either ME3 or ME2. You are assuming that they have not increased the budget for multiplayer.

You are assuming that they would.

So then lets stop assuming.

[JamieCOTC]

I honestly don't care any more. If MP is in I just hope it's on a separate disc. I need a new coaster.