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[WhiteKnyght]

We all know there has been speculation that the two are siblings and my theory builds on that.


First of all, what we do know is that Maric made a promise to Flemeth that he would keep after becoming King and  he was quoted in The Calling saying it was a "high price". We also know that at some point before Rowan died Maric took a servant to bed and she bore a child. We also know that in The Calling, Maric banged Fiona and knocked her up. And the baby is heavily implied to be Alistair, despite the servant and Goldanna.

So my theory is that Flemeth made Maric promise to give her a daughter. And because he could not tell Rowan about the promise, plus the fact that she probably wouldn't go for it, he felt forced to conceive with another woman. And the child born from Goldanna's mother was actually Morrigan, who was given to Flemeth.

Then a couple of years later, Rowan is dead and Maric sleeps with Fiona, the brown haired Orlesian Mage Elf, in the Deep Roads and she has a son, as we all know. We also know that she wanted her son to grow up believing that his mother was human and had died. And Maric told her he could hide the child in the court. So the second part of my theory is that Maric re-used the details of Morrigan's birth for the third child, who is Alistair, the lovable brown haired illigitimate prince. And that this lie is what lead Alistair to believe that Goldanna was his sister.

I know it's far fetched, but it's not impossible. And I know that the writers have referenced real world myth and fiction for their stories. So Alistair could have been inspired by Arthurian legend and he and Morrigan could be sort of like King Arthur(the illigitimate son of Uther, a strong king and defender of his people) and Morgan Le Fay(Arthur's half sister). And the fact that Alistair can be the father of Morrigan's old god child could be a reference to Mists of Avalon, where Mordred is the child of Arthur and his sister Morgan.

We also know that Maric spent several hours alone with Flemeth and came out of her hut disturbed. So a futher and baseless speculation is that she, with all her great power and knowledge, tampered with Maric's reproductive system so that any daughters(X chromosome) would come out a certain way. Such as being a mage and possibly being a perfect physical candidate to carry and birth the OGB.

And I've noticed that Morrigan and Goldanna have a few things in common. Especially a certain crabby personality.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 28 septembre 2011 - 05:47 .

[GSSAGE7]

TVtropes beat you do it. This is on their WMG page already.

[WhiteKnyght]

Really? Link me plz

[GSSAGE7]

http://tvtropes.org/...p/WMG/DragonAge

It's the second entry under the "Maric the man****, alistair and other" tab.

[WhiteKnyght]

Hmm. That is pretty similar. But my theory works on that instead of Morgause, Morrigan is based on Morgan Le Fay, her sister who was the mother of Mordred in Mists of Avalon and apparently in the Starz series Camelot, if it hadn't been cancelled.

Not to mention some old speculations connected Morgan le Fay to the Irish goddess Morrigan. And Morgan le Fay is often portrayed as a seductive sorceress, which fits Morrigan's character to a tee.

[ShimmeringDjinn]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

We all know there has been speculation that the two are siblings and my theory builds on that.


First of all, what we do know is that Maric made a promise to Flemeth that he would keep after becoming King and  he was quoted in The Calling saying it was a "high price". We also know that at some point before Rowan died Maric took a servant to bed and she bore a child. We also know that in The Calling, Maric banged Fiona and knocked her up. And the baby is heavily implied to be Alistair, despite the servant and Goldanna.

So my theory is that Flemeth made Maric promise to give her a daughter. And because he could not tell Rowan about the promise, plus the fact that she probably wouldn't go for it, he felt forced to conceive with another woman. And the child born from Goldanna's mother was actually Morrigan, who was given to Flemeth.

Then a couple of years later, Rowan is dead and Maric sleeps with Fiona, the brown haired Orlesian Mage Elf, in the Deep Roads and she has a son, as we all know. We also know that she wanted her son to grow up believing that his mother was human and had died. And Maric told her he could hide the child in the court. So the second part of my theory is that Maric re-used the details of Morrigan's birth for the third child, who is Alistair, the lovable brown haired illigitimate prince. And that this lie is what lead Alistair to believe that Goldanna was his sister.

I know it's far fetched, but it's not impossible. And I know that the writers have referenced real world myth and fiction for their stories. So Alistair could have been inspired by Arthurian legend and he and Morrigan could be sort of like King Arthur(the illigitimate son of Uther, a strong king and defender of his people) and Morgan Le Fay(Arthur's half sister). And the fact that Alistair can be the father of Morrigan's old god child could be a reference to Mists of Avalon, where Mordred is the child of Arthur and his sister Morgan.

We also know that Maric spent several hours alone with Flemeth and came out of her hut disturbed. So a futher and baseless speculation is that she, with all her great power and knowledge, tampered with Maric's reproductive system so that any daughters(X chromosome) would come out a certain way. Such as being a mage and possibly being a perfect physical candidate to carry and birth the OGB.

And I've noticed that Morrigan and Goldanna have a few things in common. Especially a certain crabby personality.

Interesting theory. But wouldnt Maric have had to impregnate both the sevent and Fiona a round the same time? I mean surely someone would notice that the servent had already been dead four years or whatever before Alistair was born (That is of course asuming Fiona is Alistair's mother, which I think she is) and would have asked "How does one give birth from the grave?" I think it's more likely that Maric imprenated Flemeth herself.

[CrashBamHam]

[WhiteKnyght]

ShimmeringDjinn wrote...

The Grey Nayr wrote...

We all know there has been speculation that the two are siblings and my theory builds on that.


First of all, what we do know is that Maric made a promise to Flemeth that he would keep after becoming King and  he was quoted in The Calling saying it was a "high price". We also know that at some point before Rowan died Maric took a servant to bed and she bore a child. We also know that in The Calling, Maric banged Fiona and knocked her up. And the baby is heavily implied to be Alistair, despite the servant and Goldanna.

So my theory is that Flemeth made Maric promise to give her a daughter. And because he could not tell Rowan about the promise, plus the fact that she probably wouldn't go for it, he felt forced to conceive with another woman. And the child born from Goldanna's mother was actually Morrigan, who was given to Flemeth.

Then a couple of years later, Rowan is dead and Maric sleeps with Fiona, the brown haired Orlesian Mage Elf, in the Deep Roads and she has a son, as we all know. We also know that she wanted her son to grow up believing that his mother was human and had died. And Maric told her he could hide the child in the court. So the second part of my theory is that Maric re-used the details of Morrigan's birth for the third child, who is Alistair, the lovable brown haired illigitimate prince. And that this lie is what lead Alistair to believe that Goldanna was his sister.

I know it's far fetched, but it's not impossible. And I know that the writers have referenced real world myth and fiction for their stories. So Alistair could have been inspired by Arthurian legend and he and Morrigan could be sort of like King Arthur(the illigitimate son of Uther, a strong king and defender of his people) and Morgan Le Fay(Arthur's half sister). And the fact that Alistair can be the father of Morrigan's old god child could be a reference to Mists of Avalon, where Mordred is the child of Arthur and his sister Morgan.

We also know that Maric spent several hours alone with Flemeth and came out of her hut disturbed. So a futher and baseless speculation is that she, with all her great power and knowledge, tampered with Maric's reproductive system so that any daughters(X chromosome) would come out a certain way. Such as being a mage and possibly being a perfect physical candidate to carry and birth the OGB.

And I've noticed that Morrigan and Goldanna have a few things in common. Especially a certain crabby personality.

Interesting theory. But wouldnt Maric have had to impregnate both the sevent and Fiona a round the same time? I mean surely someone would notice that the servent had already been dead four years or whatever before Alistair was born (That is of course asuming Fiona is Alistair's mother, which I think she is) and would have asked "How does one give birth from the grave?" I think it's more likely that Maric imprenated Flemeth herself.

Not really. You cant really tell much difference between the ages of 20-24 which Alistair falls into. And in a more medieval time like Dragon Age is set in, exact facts aren't easy to get or prove, especially when people in power have taken measure to obscure the truth.

Alistair's age can easily be misassumed. I thought he was in his mid twenties personally when I first thought about it. So it's probably just Goldanna just went on what Alistair told her and assumed it was accurate. If you notice she never told the gender, just referred to it as "the babe".

It's also possible that Loghain never knew the whole truth either. I don't think Maric would be eager to tell him that he fathered a child with an Orlesian Grey Warden so he probably just said Alistair was the servant's child and was with Arl Eamon and Loghain never actually saw him to tell the age difference.

And it would definitely explain why Arl Eamon would be willing to raise the child. And if you notice he never talked about how Alistair was conceived, just that he was Maric's son and next in line.

[ShimmeringDjinn]

Yes I have notcied she never mentions the babys gender. Also I don't believe Loghain knew the truth either. He and Maric were hardly close friends by the end of The Calling, and given Loghains paranoia of Orlais it would make sense for him not know.
I will have to go away and ponder this somemore. You've given me a lot to think about

Edit to ask. Don't you find it odd that Maric would give his son to Eamon to raise? He was Rowan's baby brother after all so it seems a odd choice.

Modifié par ShimmeringDjinn, 28 septembre 2011 - 05:33 .

[WhiteKnyght]

ShimmeringDjinn wrote...


Yes I have notcied she never mentions the babys gender. Also I don't believe Loghain knew the truth either. He and Maric were hardly close friends by the end of The Calling, and given Loghains paranoia of Orlais it would make sense for him not know.
I will have to go away and ponder this somemore. You've given me a lot to think about

Edit to ask. Don't you find it odd that Maric would give his son to Eamon to raise? He was Rowan's baby brother after all so it seems a odd choice.

Well considering the potential mother of Morrigan was a servant at Redcliffe castle it makes some sense. And it's not like Maric would be giving Eamon the adultery baby to raise. What I find odd is that Eamon would shirk his duty given to him by the king because of Isolde.

Another possibility concerning Goldana's mother is that she may have been Flemeth's next host. Morrigan did say she remembers Felemth being younger and having dark hair like hers, yet Flemeth was old in The Stolen Throne. So she may have possessed one of Eamon's servants(Morrigan never said she couldn't possess non-mages, just that it takes less time to settle in if they are trained in Magic) and approached Maric while he was visiting Redcliffe to collect on the debt.