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[Cyberarmy]

Foolsfolly wrote...

...eh, I'd let a kid play it. It's no more violent or sexual than daytime television is.

I was watching Terminator 2 and RoboCop when I was in kindergarten. And I turned out ok.... after those incidents, at least....

Watched the first Predator when i was six.
Love the human spine from then.

[Yrkoon]

Ok, how about a compromise. DA2 is not meant for kids. It is, however, meant for dumb adults. 
 
LOL just kidding.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 septembre 2011 - 11:34 .

[Remois]

The fact it has been simplified in game play wouldn't be that bad... I must admit the combat flow easier (though I still make an extensive use of the pause button) the "awesome button" is not that bad when fight gets boring (and great for cleaning the loot)... The real problem is that the game's story has been reduced to an interactive movie and they made a very poor choice of level design... To me childish is not the word... Rushed is more like it: You can't write a good story if you don't put time on it... If you rush, you get a bland storyline with stale interaction... The modified engine could have shown greater promise but was not exploited to the fullest... To gain time for the dungeon, they reused the same... If they had made prefabs they assembled differently like you find in a lot of games (and it was the case for some part in dao), it would have been far better...

No I think the game was just not given enough time to mature...

Modifié par Remois, 30 septembre 2011 - 12:17 .

[nitefyre410]

*reads some of the thread*

*facedesk*

[Arthur Cousland]

I think DA2 is plenty mature. The over-the-top combat and other streamlining elements don't make it a kids game.

Btw, if the boob shots in ME1 were such a big deal, why don't the critics seem to notice the topless desire demons? Not a complaint, but just curious.

I remember seeing the Exorcist as a kid and being afraid of ghosts and the like.  While I think I've turned out allright, for the most part, I still won't touch a ouija board with a ten foot pole.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 30 septembre 2011 - 01:32 .

[Monica83]

Stanley Woo wrote...

alex90c wrote...

I wouldn't say DA2 was meant for kids, just it didn't feel all that mature with the exaggerated combat.

Combat is not the only criteria used by ratings agencies to assign ratings. Rule systems and controls schemes are not considered, I don't think, when assigning ratings. Only content, such as visual imagery, text/dialogue, and player actions.

Sorry woo with all the respect what mature content have da2 besides the blood?

Dressed people that kiss and roll in the bed?
Some sexual allusion in the isabela words?
Also the tematic in the game is not all mature its not only a matter of nudity on sex..

Beside the nudity and the sex the witcher 2 have in the plot mature tematic...

Dragon age 2 is just less mature than origins in a adult tematic...

The game itslef should be evalued 16+

But maybe is just a my opinion...

[LeBurns]

Well to me the 'Kids' part to DA2 was more in line with the cartoon art style and extremely unrealistic blood and exploding bodies.  Also factoring in the combat animations that just can not be actually done by any living human being, and to me that defines a kiddie game.

To me an adult game is more realistic and if set in a medieval fantasy setting more dark.  DA2 was more like Dragon Age meets Looney Tunes ... with blood.

[Monica83]

LeBurns wrote...

Well to me the 'Kids' part to DA2 was more in line with the cartoon art style and extremely unrealistic blood and exploding bodies.  Also factoring in the combat animations that just can not be actually done by any living human being, and to me that defines a kiddie game.

To me an adult game is more realistic and if set in a medieval fantasy setting more dark.  DA2 was more like Dragon Age meets Looney Tunes ... with blood.

i love you

[aries1001]

-ehm-

What about the story about Hawke's mother and the serial killer - eh blood mage - trying to restore his dead wife....

Or what about the story with Bartrand, Varric's brother that ends up in an asylum (if you so choose)....

Or what about the whole Anders plot and tragic story.....

I agree that the sexual and violence aspects of the game are on about the same level you van watch in tv-series or T-rated movies today...

However, there are certain psychological aspects of the game that I wouldn't let a kid aged 10, or even 15 or 16 play....let alone a young male or female aged 18, again referring back to the quest involving Hawke's mother and the serial killer. Of course, if you're 18 or 16, you'll have a better chance of understand what is happening at deeper psychologically level than when you're say 8 or 12.

And Merril's questline is also mature, I find, from a psychological point - not a combat-oriented one.

edit1:
It might well be that the ESRB doesn't play the whole game, or parts of it. But I think PEGI, the USK and the BBFC?
Also, on pegis's website there is a form the people who give ratings to games usewhen they rate games. In it, it explicitly states that nudity that is part of the game, such as showing a breast for example does not give the game a content marker for sexual content (shown with the male/female gender symbols...). It also states the game, DA2 in this case, gets marker for violence or extreme violence (shown with a clench fist symbol) if any human or anything resembling or looking similar to a human do violence or has violence done unto them. E.g. zombies or alpha grunts or Ogres...

edit 2:
Are we not allwoed to link to pages that has inappropriate language now......? Or do we need to post a warning first...

Modifié par aries1001, 30 septembre 2011 - 04:15 .

[Atakuma]

You would have to be pretty arrogant to suggest DA2 was intended for kids.

[Monica83]

Well aries i understeand what you say but i seen 16+ game with more mature tematic than dragon age 2 it simple don't deserves the 17+

[LeBurns]

aries1001 wrote...

-ehm-

What about the story about Hawke's mother and the serial killer - eh blood mage - trying to restore his dead wife....

Or what about the story with Bartrand, Varric's brother that ends up in an asylum (if you so choose)....

Or what about the whole Anders plot and tragic story.....

I agree that the sexual and violence aspects of the game are on about the same level you van watch in tv-series or T-rated movies today...

However, there are certain psychological aspects of the game that I wouldn't let a kid aged 10, or even 15 or 16 play....let alone a young male or female aged 18, again referring back to the quest involving Hawke's mother and the serial killer. Of course, if you're 18 or 16, you'll have a better chance of understand what is happening at deeper psychologically level than when you're say 8 or 12.

And Merril's questline is also mature, I find, from a psychological point - not a combat-oriented one.

I agree, but the problem is those deeper parts of the game are overshadowed by the cartoon art style and combat.  Watch Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame and then read the book.  What Disney tried to tell in a cartoon just never worked at all.  Kids were just confused or overlooked any of the deep psychological points and said "Neat, a Disney Cartoon!".

[xkg]

^ Witcher 2 is PEGI 18 not 16

[Uccio]

^ Why have violence in the game at all? Fade to black would work wonders there too. No blood no sex.

[Stanley Woo]

Many people are misunderstanding the way ratings agencies work. Ratings agencies require developers to submit documentation on each and every aspect of the game that could potentially affect the rating. That means every instance of a swear word, every scene of partial nudity, every off-colour joke, every example of racism, anything that could be construed as religion, every scene that shows blood and gore, and of course, every sex scene.

Ratings agencies are not concerned about whether you the player would allow your child to view the content, it is completely apathetic to what your childhood experiences with mature content are, and it doesn't care a whit whether we consider something "mature" or not. Ratings agencies are concerned solely with the content in the game--all of it--and they rate the game accordingly.

Whether you agree with the rating, whether you consider a "Mature" (capital M) ESRB rating as containing "mature" (lower case m) content, or whatever your own personal tolerances and preferences, doesn't matter when it comes to how ratings agencies rate games. If you have an issue with the rating, or how that rating is applied, or any other questions regarding a game's rating, please contact the ratings agency that deals with your region.

Trying to debate with us what the rating is or should be or who should experience what content at what age is a little misguided. Thank you.

[Uccio]

I just realized where I have seen such romance scenes as in DA2. In oldies, old black and white movies, " oh Rhet, kiss me!". And fade to black...

[Mike_Neel]

I don't think more violence and sex would make the game more mature or adult. One of the more adult games I've played would be Red Dead Redemption and it doesn't have over the top violence or sexuality, but the themes and ideas it has are very adult.

While DA2 may not have had as many adult elements to it it still had some adult themes that could make you stop and think, such as the white Lilly murders, sacrificing the rights of a few for the greater safety of the majority and at what point do you take a cause too far, and a few others as well.

[AlexXIV]

In a jump'n'run you don't get alot of explaination why you do what you do. You start playing, kill enemies, jump over obstacles, etc. Always on and on until the end. And that's how DA2 partly feels. As if you are just going forward without really knowing any other reason than that there is only one way anyway, and if you want to see the end of it you have to go on. You don't even have an illusion of choice. That's what makes the game feel simple minded. I mean you don't really need to think alot or at all to play through. There is nowhere to go wrong or right.

[Morroian]

Monica83 wrote...

Well aries i understeand what you say but i seen 16+ game with more mature tematic than dragon age 2 it simple don't deserves the 17+

You can have a 12+ rated game with mature themes, the ratings suggests very little about the theme so long as there are no swear words, nudity or violence. In terms of theme DA2 is just as 'mature' as DAO, the fact that you choose to ignore such themes is, well, just par for the course.

[casadechrisso]

@ Mr. Woo, I think the question is not really if the rating on the box should be changed, but if the content of the game shouldn't feel a bit more mature too with a rating like that. If you include blood, gore and language that earns the game an 18+/M+ sticker, I as a player would expect the game in it's whole to feel a bit more mature too, not just like a cartoony teen game that feels harmless and naive, just with added splatter effects and a few dirty words. To me it feels like Bioware almost tried to force that sticker on the box for marketing reasons, by making the blood effects so over the top and it. Reduce the blood, shut Isabella up and the sticker would already change to a T/16+.
And what Morroian said is very true, you can have a 12+ rated game that feels very mature because the story is well told. But in this case IMO we have the opposite, and adult game that just doesn't feel as mature as I'd expect from a Bioware game with an 18+ rating.

[TEWR]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

I think DA2 is plenty mature. The over-the-top combat and other streamlining elements don't make it a kids game.

Btw, if the boob shots in ME1 were such a big deal, why don't the critics seem to notice the topless desire demons? Not a complaint, but just curious.

I remember seeing the Exorcist as a kid and being afraid of ghosts and the like.  While I think I've turned out allright, for the most part, I still won't touch a ouija board with a ten foot pole.

Forget the Desire demons, I wanna know why the critics didn't have a problem with the Broodmothers:





18 topless breasts (I'm exaggerating obviously because there are 10 I think, but 10 topless breasts is a lot)

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 octobre 2011 - 04:56 .