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[Yrkoon]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


Forget the Desire demons, I wanna know why the critics didn't have a problem with the Broodmothers:

^I'm sure some  probably did. I do know for a *fact* that the Mother's well defined, human-like breasts were cited by the ERSB when they gave Awakening its Mature rating.

Modifié par Yrkoon, 01 octobre 2011 - 12:44 .

[LordKinoda]

I'm pretty sure Bioware is probably done with showing more flesh in romance scenes after they got singled out for having 3 seconds of side boob in the first Mass Effect.

This would truly be fracking sad if they let an idiotic network like Fox News influence how they make their games. Who gives a flying rats arse what those morons think ? They are NO WHERE NEAR their target audience. Frack em.

Ok, how about a compromise. DA2 is not meant for kids. It is, however, meant for dumb adults.

Heh, got a little chuckle from this one.

Btw, if the boob shots in ME1 were such a big deal, why don't the critics seem to notice the topless desire demons? Not a complaint, but just curious.

Because it was a BS attempt to gain some small bit of notoriety from an amazing popular game. They were riding ME's coat tails in the only way they knew how, by blantantly making up things.

why have sex in a game at all? never winter nights did the whole fade to black thing and it turned out to be a good game

Because sex is a natural part of life and relationships. It's silly to NOT have it for realism. It can be done plenty tastefully while showing nudity and grinding. Countless movies have done so, and a few other video games. Nothing pornographic about their depictions, just a natural, inevitable progression of a successful relationship between two people. The fade to black is just lazy IMO. Animate the damn scene. Fan mods have made plenty decent scenes, no reason at all that professionals cannot do it.

^ Why have violence in the game at all? Fade to black would work wonders there too. No blood no sex.

Haha. Wouldn't that be something ? Guarantee nobody would buy it, and if they did, they'd demand their money back immediately. I sure would.

Stanley Woo wrote...

Many people are misunderstanding the way ratings agencies work. Ratings agencies require developers to submit documentation on each and every aspect of the game that could potentially affect the rating. That means every instance of a swear word, every scene of partial nudity, every off-colour joke, every example of racism, anything that could be construed as religion, every scene that shows blood and gore, and of course, every sex scene.

Ratings agencies are not concerned about whether you the player would allow your child to view the content, it is completely apathetic to what your childhood experiences with mature content are, and it doesn't care a whit whether we consider something "mature" or not. Ratings agencies are concerned solely with the content in the game--all of it--and they rate the game accordingly.

Whether you agree with the rating, whether you consider a "Mature" (capital M) ESRB rating as containing "mature" (lower case m) content, or whatever your own personal tolerances and preferences, doesn't matter when it comes to how ratings agencies rate games. If you have an issue with the rating, or how that rating is applied, or any other questions regarding a game's rating, please contact the ratings agency that deals with your region.

Trying to debate with us what the rating is or should be or who should experience what content at what age is a little misguided. Thank you.

Exacty. Just as I said. Contacting them isn't going to do jack sheite though, heh. They don't give a flying rat's arse what people think. They'll rate what they want and be damned with what others think about it. At least we can let you know about it and hope for more of your "skirting the boundry" type content. I'd say we have a way better shot at influening you guys than we do at influencing the ESRB. Don't you agree, your do you decline to comment ?

I don't think more violence and sex would make the game more mature or adult.

I don't think anybody is advocating those two elements and those two alone. I'm certainly not. But having them done correctly and realistically is essential in the grand scheme.

[TEWR]

Yrkoon wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...


Forget the Desire demons, I wanna know why the critics didn't have a problem with the Broodmothers:

^I'm sure some  probably did. I do know for a *fact* that the Mother's well defined, human-like breasts were cited by the ERSB when they gave Awakening its Mature rating.

Really? Huh.

Honestly those type of things regarding breasts in video games like with Mass Effect are what made me lose a lot of faith in humanity (not just those things, but they did help)

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 01 octobre 2011 - 05:00 .

[Arthur Cousland]

Yes, I forgot about the broodmothers/Mother. "That's a lot of nipples!"

That makes having Morrigan wearing a bra during sex with the Warden even more of a head-scratcher. It's not as if we haven't seen plenty of breasts in the game already.

[Persephone]

Issues that are part of DAII's storyline: Abuse, Rape, torture, insanity, a serial killer preying on children, another serial killer preying on women, mass murder, terrorism, fanaticism.....

And had the combat been about pixels fighting each other using flowers, I would never recommend DAII to anyone under 18 because of these things.

[Mr.House]

Sorry but if a parent lets anyone under the gas of 12 play DAo/DA2 then they are bad parents. DA aeries is not for kids at all. From the racist theme all the way to the desire demons and broodmothers. Opersion, rape, murder, strong sex themes, swearing ect. This is not a kids series, contray to what the haters want to believe.

[Mr.House]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

Yes, I forgot about the broodmothers/Mother. "That's a lot of nipples!"

That makes having Morrigan wearing a bra during sex with the Warden even more of a head-scratcher. It's not as if we haven't seen plenty of breasts in the game already.

Monster boobies and touching/

[DarkDragon777]

Mr.House wrote...

Sorry but if a parent lets anyone under the gas of 12 play DAo/DA2 then they are bad parents. DA aeries is not for kids at all. From the racist theme all the way to the desire demons and broodmothers. Opersion, rape, murder, strong sex themes, swearing ect. This is not a kids series, contray to what the haters want to believe.

I played DAO when I was 12. Some kids are mature enough to handle it you know. Not all of them, but some of course.

[JPadinhaT]

http://cdn1.iofferph...ge-ii-669cd.JPG
I believe this should answer your question?

[Pygmali0n]

Stanley Woo wrote...

Dragon Age II has an M rating from the ESRB, meaning that in North America, the game is suggested for players aged 17 and up. Content advisories for the game include "Blood and Gore, Language, Sexual Content, Violence".

It also has a PEGI rating of 18, meaning that, in Europe, the game is suggested for players aged 18 and up. The content advisory is listed as "Extreme violence."

Dragon Age II is not a kid's game, and is not suggested or recommended for children.

Dragon Age 2 is an 18 game in the style of a child's game. You wouldn't want a child to play it, but take out the sexual references and it's the only audience for which DA2 is suitable.

[John Epler]

Pygmali0n wrote...

Stanley Woo wrote...

Dragon Age II has an M rating from the ESRB, meaning that in North America, the game is suggested for players aged 17 and up. Content advisories for the game include "Blood and Gore, Language, Sexual Content, Violence".

It also has a PEGI rating of 18, meaning that, in Europe, the game is suggested for players aged 18 and up. The content advisory is listed as "Extreme violence."

Dragon Age II is not a kid's game, and is not suggested or recommended for children.

Dragon Age 2 is an 18 game in the style of a child's game. You wouldn't want a child to play it, but take out the sexual references and it's the only audience for which DA2 is suitable.

Yeah, this kind of thing is entirely unnecessary. If you don't like the game, that's fine! We support everyone's right to their own opinion. But suggesting that the only audience it's suitable for is children is rather insulting to the people who actually enjoy the game.

So let's cut that out, shall we?

[Uccio]

DarkDragon777 wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Sorry but if a parent lets anyone under the gas of 12 play DAo/DA2 then they are bad parents. DA aeries is not for kids at all. From the racist theme all the way to the desire demons and broodmothers. Opersion, rape, murder, strong sex themes, swearing ect. This is not a kids series, contray to what the haters want to believe.

I played DAO when I was 12. Some kids are mature enough to handle it you know. Not all of them, but some of course.

Indeed. I read Bram Stoker´s Dracula when I was 10 and I was suprised when my aunt said to my mom that she could not finish the book because it was so pressing, and she was 30 at the time.

Modifié par Ukki, 01 octobre 2011 - 07:30 .

[LeBurns]

LordKinoda wrote...

Because sex is a natural part of life and relationships. It's silly to NOT have it for realism. It can be done plenty tastefully while showing nudity and grinding. Countless movies have done so, and a few other video games. Nothing pornographic about their depictions, just a natural, inevitable progression of a successful relationship between two people. The fade to black is just lazy IMO. Animate the damn scene. Fan mods have made plenty decent scenes, no reason at all that professionals cannot do it.

Hate to tell you this but some of us really don't need full blown porn in our vid games.  I do think that ME1 was tasteful and REALLY wish that ME2 and DAO had something like those because the dry humping was just stupid and embarrising.  I would have even preferred the fade to black.  BG2 did this, KotOR did this, these are great games in spite of passing up on the opportunity to have full nude sex shot in the game.  I would prefer nude but tasteful (no shown nudity) or just a fade to black.  Getting the game an 'Adults Only' rating because you would insist on and adult sex scene is just not worth it.  If anyone needs nudity that bad there is this thing called the internet...

[Uccio]

^ So whats your take on violence in the game then? Fade to black?

Modifié par Ukki, 01 octobre 2011 - 08:05 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Drasanil wrote...

AtreiyaN7 wrote...

Despite the game not meeting the aesthetic/diehard RPG/amazingly high intellectual standards that some people have, it doesn't mean that the game was kiddied down - unless you consider terrorism, revolution & politics to be "kiddied down" subject matters.

Uhm... you do realise you haven't actually made a point here right? Just because you have mature subject matter doesn't  mean it can't be approached in a kiddied down way, just ask every parent ever who had to explain to their six-year old where babies come from. Which incedently isn't too far from the approach DA2 takes to the subjects you mentioned above; bad things happen because plot device or sometimes just because ....caughOrsinocaugh...

Umm, you do realize that I was being sarcastic, right? I'm mocking the fact that threads like this almost invariably devolve into the whole "I liked DA:O, whcih was superior in all ways; ergo, I'm smarter/better/have higher standards/superior aesthetic sensibilities compared to you peons who liked DA2" thing. Sure, there are people who write intelligent critiques, etc., but this is what so often ends up happening. The only serious bit in my post was the part about there being substantive issues in the game that, while imperfectly handled, were not what I would consider kiddied down. If anyone does consider x/y/z kiddied down, then that's really a matter of subjective taste in a lot of cases.

If I want a serious discussion about anything, the DA2 forums are the last placea I would seek out intellectual stimulation, as all anyone here invariably does is beat a dead horse in an unending cycle of human-on-dead horse violence. I can't count the times I've seen threads that somehow involve the words "dumbed down" or "Kiddied down" at this point. The only thing I really get out of threads like this is an opportunity to snark now & again when I'm bored.

[csfteeeer]

Persephone wrote...

Issues that are part of DAII's storyline: Abuse, Rape, torture, insanity, a serial killer preying on children, another serial killer preying on women, mass murder, terrorism, fanaticism.....

And had the combat been about pixels fighting each other using flowers, I would never recommend DAII to anyone under 18 because of these things.

you say that as if just having those things makes DA2 adult.

it doesn't.

[addiction21]

chitek23 wrote...

the ridiculous, exploding enemies. the childish blood fountain.
I love these things!!

Its fun to cut peoples posts up to take them out of context and make it seem as if they were saying something else entirely...  /sarcasim

[AlexXIV]

addiction21 wrote...

chitek23 wrote...

the ridiculous, exploding enemies. the childish blood fountain.
I love these things!!

Its fun to post out of context and say something else entirely...  /sarcasim

Huh?

[LeBurns]

Ukki wrote...

^ So whats your take on violence in the game then? Fade to black?

I hate it.  At least the amount that is in DA2 or in DAO when gore is turned on.  Maybe that's what we need, an on/off switch.  Of course that doesn't stop kids from buying it.

[Pygmali0n]

JohnEpler wrote...

Yeah, this kind of thing is entirely unnecessary. If you don't like the game, that's fine! We support everyone's right to their own opinion. But suggesting that the only audience it's suitable for is children is rather insulting to the people who actually enjoy the game.

So let's cut that out, shall we?

I like your contributions John, and I think they're well reasoned and balanced, but I don't criticise people for enjoying childish things, most of us do with some thing or other, it's usually harmless and if there's a problem with arrested development (if you agree it is a problem) then it's hurting no-one other than themselves. 

Where the negativity comes in is the fight over Dragon Age's soul.

The reboot brought in people who are comfortable having a my little pony avatar non-ironically. Now it's fine for them, it's also fine for you to want to make games for them, but to make an analogy, I'd say Iron Maiden (DA:O) fans (yes, I know it's not a perfect analogy) are not going to like a New Kids On The Block (DA2) song.

And if the Iron Maiden fans are misled by marketing into buying it anyway (let's say that the song is called 'Hangin' Tough', and that this title actually does sound tough) then they can ask, 'Why has Dragon Age turned into this childish mess?' I'm not going to go over and kick the sandcastles of the my little pony crowd and say they suck, but why have they stolen my game? Couldn't you have tried to sell us Fleetwood Mac instead? They sold millions, still have credibility and all of the whining could have been legitimately dismissed as a hardcore of Peter Green fans.

*******P.S. I mean, doesn't male Hawke sound like he's narrating a children's tv show to you?

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 02 octobre 2011 - 03:45 .

[Arthur Cousland]

Pygmali0n wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Yeah, this kind of thing is entirely unnecessary. If you don't like the game, that's fine! We support everyone's right to their own opinion. But suggesting that the only audience it's suitable for is children is rather insulting to the people who actually enjoy the game.

So let's cut that out, shall we?

I like your contributions John, and I think they're well reasoned and balanced, but I don't criticise people for enjoying childish things, most of us do with some thing or other, it's usually harmless and if there's a problem with arrested development (if you agree it is a problem) then it's hurting no-one other than themselves. 

Where the negativity comes in is the fight over Dragon Age's soul.

The reboot brought in people who are comfortable having a my little pony avatar non-ironically. Now it's fine for them, it's also fine for you to want to make games for them, but to make an analogy, I'd say Iron Maiden (DA:O) fans (yes, I know it's not a perfect analogy) are not going to like a New Kids On The Block (DA2) song.

And if the Iron Maiden fans are misled by marketing into buying it anyway (let's say that the song is called 'Hangin' Tough', and that this title actually does sound tough) then they can ask, 'Why has Dragon Age turned into this childish mess?' I'm not going to go over and kick the sandcastles of the my little pony crowd and say they suck, but why have they stolen my game? Couldn't you have tried to sell us Fleetwood Mac instead? They sold millions, still have credibility and all of the whining could have been legitimately dismissed as a hardcore of Peter Green fans.

Nice musical analogies.

[Pygmali0n]

Thanks Arthur, actually I think my additional 'male Hawke sounds like a children's tv narrator' point deserves a thread to itself but I'll leave it at that.

Edit - and yes he's a fine actor is Nicholas Boulton, it's not about lacking quality, it's about choices and direction.

Modifié par Pygmali0n, 02 octobre 2011 - 03:54 .

[TheRealJayDee]

Pygmali0n wrote...

The reboot brought in people who are comfortable having a my little pony avatar non-ironically. 

Personal anecdote: I do quite like the new My Little Pony cartoon, it's just so... nice. Some of my friends like it as well. We all played DA:O and mostly loved it. I'm the only one who played DA2, the others decided not to after playing the demo, reading user reviews and listening to me talk about it.