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[fchopin]

'marriage' of DAO and DA2 = Devil child

[Tatinger]

Marionetten wrote...

It honestly doesn't matter as long as BioWare keeps up this increasingly antagonizing way of milking their consumers while doing absolutely nothing beyond the bare minimum to fix their sloppily created game. Unless the corporate attitude over at EAWare changes dramatically there is no hope of Dragon Age III being an improvement on the formula.

I wonder what the tipping point is, though?  Will sales, or threatened lack thereof, for the third game alter their creative direction?  Is a company willing to concede to the will of the fans and thus give them power by having a say in the finished product?  Based on some of the reparations that were offered to those of us lobbying for continued support and bug fixes for DA:O, I'd say that there is every reason to believe that EAWare realizes that not listening to its fanbase is not a very good thing for the health of the franchise.

It'll be interesting to see how much they concede, though (I wonder if push came to shove if they'd do something as drastic as, say, throwing a fully voiced Warden back into the story or completely overhaul their game mechanics to get everyone on side again), but I have no doubts that there are changes coming...for the better.  Money talks and BioWare doesn't want its fans to walk.

Modifié par Tatinger, 30 septembre 2011 - 10:20 .

[mousestalker]

Why don't DAO and DA2, instead of commiting to a marriage and then spawning DA3, simply live together? Given how Bioware does relationships, it would be far more plausible if they shacked up in an open, loving polyamorous relationship and invited DAA, ME1 and ME2 over from time to time to frolic in the hot tub with them. They could go for the younger crowd and romp with ME3 or cater to the GILF lovers by having over NWN, NWN2, BG or any of the older models.

And then film it all...

Edited to add: Of course we cast the The Witcher as the pool boy and The Witcher 2 as the pizza delivery guy.

Modifié par mousestalker, 30 septembre 2011 - 10:36 .

[Jerrybnsn]

Filament wrote...

I already want a divorce.

 I hope Origins gets custody of me.

[Cyberarmy]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

mousestalker wrote...

Edited to add: Of course we cast the The Witcher as the pool boy and The Witcher 2 as the pizza delivery guy.

Ouuuuuuuuuuuuch

They are hireing a new gardener named Skyrim, didnt makes any sense imho since they have no garden.

Modifié par Cyberarmy, 30 septembre 2011 - 01:10 .

[InfinitePaths]

I think this is the best idea some hate origins,love DA2,some love Origins hate da2.Some like both.This way its Win for all

[Joy Divison]

"Muzyka points to "a misalignment of expectation" for the sequel, which explains the negative reaction..."

Umm no.

Bioware talks about listening to feedback but it is obvious they are not.

Modifié par Joy Divison, 30 septembre 2011 - 10:26 .

[InfinitePaths]

Esbatty wrote...

I want a DAO/DAII hybrid via DA3. I want it so hard.

THIS :wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard::wizard:

[Urazz]

Things of note that are both good and bad in DA2 in my opinion:

1. The story in Acts 1 and 2 were excellent and well done and make for a good rise to power storyline.  Act 3 felt rushed and disjointed.  Gamers can easily tell if something is rushed or not so be thorough in your main storyline.  Also, the choices in the storyline felt very superficial for the most part and didn't really affect the main storyline.

2.  Combat in DA2 moved at a good pace and felt more fluid and easy to use than DAO.  I didn't like the corpses constantly exploding and didn't like how they handled the wave spawning but it looks like they fixed the wave spawning thing to an extent in the Legacy DLC.  Hopefully DA3 will do even better with enemies in that regard.

3.  The voiced PC made things feel alot better than in Origins where it felt wierd that all the other characters talked but the PC didn't.  They also improved upon the camera positions and the like to give a much better experience so things felt more alive and the like.

4.  Crafting was also an improvement over DAO.  It was nice not having to carry all those materials for crafting.

5.  The conversation system was also good and made your character act in a more stable manner so you couldn't really say Hawke acted in a way that was out of character to how you made him act mostly.

6.  The party interaction is superb for the most part.  You really felt like your party was like a big dysfunctional family by the end of the story I think and  it was handled better than Origin's companion interaction (though Origin's was still great as well). The PC/Companion interaction felt a little lacking but the companions in DA2 really could affect how conversations went.

7.  Making all the romanceable characters bisexual was a cheap way to give options and made the characters feel more fake to me.  I hope they don't go with this option in DA3.  DAO handled this much better than DA2 did I think.

8.  The reused dungeons made doing extra stuff very annoying.  Sure this is the same city, but they could've used different dungeons at the very least instead of just recycling old dungeons.

Modifié par Urazz, 30 septembre 2011 - 08:45 .

[Yrkoon]

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Unfortunately, we don't all agree about what the "best of both" is.

Indeed.

There's also the matter of many  of these features being mutually exclusive, and thus cannot be "married together"  anyway.  (Dialogue wheel vs. no dialogue wheel.    Tell me how they're going to reconcile that one.)

The "best of both games" comment, even as  marketing lingo,  is an insult to one's intelligence.    The Devs themselves are always the FIRST to remind us that  they  can't please everyone.  Yet here they are, advertising exactly that as the goal!     Such rubbish.   In reality, they really have no intention of deviating from the DA2 formula in any meaningful way, and so it would be a misalignment of expectations to think that DA3 will contain the Best aspects of DA:O.  And we shouldn't  be making that mistake again, should we!

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 septembre 2011 - 02:44 .

[ScotGaymer]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Zanallen wrote...

KilrB wrote...

Honestly, I don't know what Origins sees in him ... <_<

So Origins is the chick in the relationship?

No, they're gay. Haven't you been paying attention to what agenda BioWare have been pushing?

Since when is advocating tolerance of difference count as an "agenda" to be pushed exactly?

You realise you sound like a complete homophobic **** dont you?


And how did I know this thread would immediately attract the "omg DA23 sux cos its sooo different and wrong!"  crowd?

Yeah, people, we get it. You hate DA2. You think it sucks. Blah blah blah. Get over it already.

Time to move forward with a positive attitude now.

[snfonseka]

annihilator27 wrote...

Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Unfortunately, we don't all agree about what the "best of both" is.

When do you ever agree on anything lol, I love some of your ideas though.

We can agee to disagree....

[Veex]

Yrkoon wrote...

The "best of both games" comment, even as  marketing lingo,  is an insult to one's intelligence.    The Devs themselves are always the FIRST to remind us that  they  can't please everyone.  Yet here they are, advertising exactly that as the goal!     Such rubbish.   In reality, they really have no intention of deviating from the DA2 formula in any meaningful way, and so it would be a misalignment of expectations to think that DA3 will contain the Best aspects of DA:O.  And we shouldn't  be making that mistake again, should we!

I don't think its an insult to anyone's intelligence, thats fairly hyperbolic. If you acknowledge that they know they can't please everyone, then I think it logical to assume that the marrying of the "best of both" games is going to be according to their own vision, and not necessarily what customer "x" believes. As you say, there is definitely a misalignment of expectations, but I'm not sure some of that burden isn't on the community.

[Rob Sabbaggio]

This will probably brand me a heritic, but while I thought DA2 wasnt perfect by any means I still enjoyed it hugely.

And I do think that in some areas it improved upon DAO. Urazz nailed most of them (skill-trees, improved party interaction and banter, extra LI path, some bigger sidequests, voiced protagonist, and I enjoyed the increased timescale and framed narrative).

If they could be married to a DAO-sized quest across a greater variery of areas, more impact of choices, slightly less-ridiculous combat (a bit slower, less waves and explosions) and better options for inventory and customisation, wouldnt this be a good game?

[Celtic Latino]

I actually don't see this 'marriage' as a bad thing.

Origins had an epic story, variety of backstories, Grey Wardens

Dragon Age 2 had a cool combat system, allowed for a variety of builds that didn't merely stick to 'tank', 'healer', dps, had friendship/rivalry system and a voiced protagonist

Combine both and you have the potential for a pretty damn good game. I'm pretty optimistic for this one actually...

...provided half the material isn't 'DLC'...that's what worries me. That and those who listen to the fanboys of certain characters/installations and whiners too much. That's how inventory removal, fixed companion armour, weird romances with anatomically incompatible species, and everyone being bisexual (not phobic, just prefer realistic companions that aren't politically correct) happens.

[Northern Sun]

"Marriage"? So Bioware wants to take the worst elements of both games and have them constantly interfere with each other, eventually ending in a messy, broken game?

[Yrkoon]

If I was match maker, I'd set Bioware up with Bethesda. I'd give one of them some viagra, and the other some fertility drugs, then wait for  the  awesome Biothesda offspring to pop out.

Imagine a 300 hour Open world game with interesting party members and an epic storyline. That'd be the best baby ever made!

Modifié par Yrkoon, 30 septembre 2011 - 03:14 .

[Marionetten]

Northern Sun wrote...

"Marriage"? So Bioware wants to take the worst elements of both games and have them constantly interfere with each other, eventually ending in a messy, broken game?

That seems to be their modus operandi. Perceived marketability over design.

You know, would it really be so hard for BioWare to turn Dragon Age II into its own franchise and just leave Dragon Age for those of us who enjoyed Origins instead of mucking things up further with a stitched together mishmash of half-cooked and contradictory design elements? They're a big studio. If Relic could do it with Dawn of War and Space Marine I'm sure BioWare could.

[King Cousland]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

So they're re-releasing DA2?

You can't be serious...

I know you're a staunch supportor of DAII and the devs (I'm not saying that's a bad thing), but to steamroll over the good things about Origins (which composed the majority of the game), and imply support for all the bad decisions in DAII is...well, ubelieveable really. 

Modifié par harkness72, 30 septembre 2011 - 03:10 .

[King Cousland]

dp

Modifié par harkness72, 30 septembre 2011 - 03:10 .

[Rovay]

Yrkoon wrote...

If I was match maker, I'd set Bioware up with Bethesda. I'd give one of them some viagra, and the other some fertility drugs, then wait for  the  awesome Biothesda offspring

Imagine a 300 hour Open world game with interesting party members and an epic storyline. That'd be the best baby ever made!

Still, it wouldn't come even close beating Baldur's Gate. Especially not here.

[Bonkz]

Urazz wrote...

2.  Combat in DA2 moved at a good pace and felt more fluid and easy to use than DAO.  I didn't like the corpses constantly exploding and didn't like how they handled the wave spawning but it looks like they fixed the wave spawning thing to an extent in the Legacy DLC.  Hopefully DA3 will do even better with enemies in that regard.

I can see how some people liked the combat in DA2 and i kinda agree that it felt more responsive and easier to play through.
On the other hand, having my party members jumping up and down, almost like teleporting in the battlefield and turning opponents into goo while the enemies attacked at a normal (much slower, DA:O like) speed, really killed it for me. I don't want my party members to be superheroes.
At least in DA:O everyone had the same attack speeds and it felt real (as real as a fantasy game can be). A less flashier and little slower combat system but with the same responsiveness as DA2 would be ideal, in my humble opinion.

Modifié par Bonkz, 30 septembre 2011 - 03:24 .