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[Kaiser Shepard]

ladyvader wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I love the lengths the gays and bis of BSN go to justify retconning established characters, just so they can have their shallow romances and "sex scene" with character X or Y. I'm equally disturbed by how everyone who has a vested interest in a character not being hetero, seems to assume that everybody is bisexual by default.

I can only hope they don't apply that same warped train of thought to real life as well...

Please name one character in game that ever once talked about their sexuality.  I must have missed it if they did.  It's not retconning if its never mentioned.  At that point you are just assuming and break down assume.  Ass u me.    That term is thrown around way too much is most of the time it's nonsense.

Like I said, you too seem to assume that being bi is the norm, the default state of mind.

Xilizhra wrote...

I was going to be upset for a moment, but then realized how impotent your fear is. Your reasoning is twisted, but also irrelevant.

My fear? Come again?

And my reasoning is twisted? Xili, please, I like you, but it becomes more difficult to take you seriously by the day.

[Xilizhra]

My fear? Come again?

And my reasoning is twisted? Xili, please, I like you, but it becomes more difficult to take you seriously by the day.

Because you're forgetting three things.
1. Not everyone is bi.
2. Not everyone is bi! You've got a whole damn crew of humans you can't romance if you want to ****** to your beloved probabilities, and not even all of the human LIs are bi, in all likelihood.
3. Matching IRL percentages isn't the point. The point is to make up for their ME1 and ME2 mistakes by making a few LIs more widely enjoyable.

[mauro2222]

SandTrout wrote...

Ashley WIlliams: Probably not. Seemed put-off by the idea of the Liara threesome. Religion may also play a role, though it is unclear what religion she actually follows.

So, if I reject an orgy... I'm gay.

[Athayniel]

mauro2222 wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Ashley WIlliams: Probably not. Seemed put-off by the idea of the Liara threesome. Religion may also play a role, though it is unclear what religion she actually follows.

So, if I reject an orgy... I'm gay.

so completely gay. you gay person you.

*edit* except I think the implication being made is that Ashley's straight because she refused a threesome with an asari, as opposed to, you know, not into aliens... or threesomes...

Modifié par Athayniel, 30 septembre 2011 - 01:31 .

[kumquats]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Like I said, you too seem to assume that being bi is the norm, the default state of mind.

You assumed wrong. I know her Shepard.

[ladyvader]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I love the lengths the gays and bis of BSN go to justify retconning established characters, just so they can have their shallow romances and "sex scene" with character X or Y. I'm equally disturbed by how everyone who has a vested interest in a character not being hetero, seems to assume that everybody is bisexual by default.

I can only hope they don't apply that same warped train of thought to real life as well...

Please name one character in game that ever once talked about their sexuality.  I must have missed it if they did.  It's not retconning if its never mentioned.  At that point you are just assuming and break down assume.  Ass u me.    That term is thrown around way too much is most of the time it's nonsense.

Like I said, you too seem to assume that being bi is the norm, the default state of mind.

Xilizhra wrote...

I was going to be upset for a moment, but then realized how impotent your fear is. Your reasoning is twisted, but also irrelevant.

My fear? Come again?

And my reasoning is twisted? Xili, please, I like you, but it becomes more difficult to take you seriously by the day.

I never said that, so you are quite wrong there.  You are claiming it's retconn if someone is bi/gay in ME3 when not one character ever talked about their sexuality besides Jack saying, "If you're talking about boyfriend or girlfriend line." 

You're projecting and assuming and assuming tends to make asses out of people, which I see often around here.

Modifié par ladyvader, 30 septembre 2011 - 01:32 .

[mauro2222]

Athayniel wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

SandTrout wrote...

Ashley WIlliams: Probably not. Seemed put-off by the idea of the Liara threesome. Religion may also play a role, though it is unclear what religion she actually follows.

So, if I reject an orgy... I'm gay.

so completely gay. you gay person you.

*edit* except I think the implication being made is that Ashley's straight because she refused a threesome with an asari, as opposed to, you know, not into aliens... or threesomes...

Exactly, so... why rejecting a threesome with an alien makes her straight? xD
Is like the argument with Thane..."He have a kid and a wife, of course he is straight" and again I, with the argument of my neighbor (poor guy is a living gossip) xD who has kids, a wife, and a male lover

Modifié par mauro2222, 30 septembre 2011 - 01:37 .

[ElitePinecone]

Mims wrote...

These sort of arguments are kind of pointless. At the end of the day, characters aren't real people. We can hope that they will be impacted by 'real world things' as apart of them being well-rounded, realistic characters. But they don't make their own decisions. Their writers are the only ones who know the whole picture, and are the only people who will decide which characters are open to both sexes.

This. 

[Stardusk78]

Can we at least agree that most gay males find breasts and vaginas physically and psychologically disgusting?

[ladyvader]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Can we at least agree that most gay males find breasts and vaginas physically and psychologically disgusting?

No

[Blacklash93]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I love the lengths the gays and bis of BSN go to justify retconning established characters, just so they can have their shallow romances and "sex scene" with character X or Y. I'm equally disturbed by how everyone who has a vested interest in a character not being hetero, seems to assume that everybody is bisexual by default.

I can only hope they don't apply that same warped train of thought to real life as well...

I can't fault wanting to romance characters they've become attatched to over this trilogy. I don't agree with changing characters' sexualities for the sake of fanservice, but I can at least see where it's coming from.

And no, they aren't arguing that certain characters are by default bisexual because of lack of a definitive statement toward heterosexuality, just that it isn't out of the question because of it.

[Stardusk78]

ladyvader wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Can we at least agree that most gay males find breasts and vaginas physically and psychologically disgusting?

No

Every one I have talked to has said that; they must be weird then.

[Xilizhra]

Stardusk78 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Can we at least agree that most gay males find breasts and vaginas physically and psychologically disgusting?

No

Every one I have talked to has said that; they must be weird then.

How is it relevant? There aren't any gay LIs in ME anyway.

[Stardusk78]

Xilizhra wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Can we at least agree that most gay males find breasts and vaginas physically and psychologically disgusting?

No

Every one I have talked to has said that; they must be weird then.

How is it relevant? There aren't any gay LIs in ME anyway.

It came up earlier in the thread, check it out.

[Lucky Thirteen]

“The measure of an individual can be difficult to discern by actions alone.”

Just because they don't act/express interest in the same sex, doesn't mean there is no chance.

[ladyvader]

Stardusk78 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Can we at least agree that most gay males find breasts and vaginas physically and psychologically disgusting?

No

Every one I have talked to has said that; they must be weird then.

And how many is that?  One or two?  I've never been told that by any of my gay friends.  Ever.  Some straight men won't go down either.  The same can be said about straight women.  

[arne1234]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Can we at least agree that most gay males find breasts and vaginas physically and psychologically disgusting?

... No,
I'm sorry but I know a lesbian who has 3 children (before she turnend gay) and I know a gay couple of witch I know at least one of them had a straight relation before they turnend gay. Especialy that first part of the lesbian who want's children is so commen that I'm doubting that those true lesbians are actually a fraction of the lesbians out there. All the rest have merely a preference for the same gender. I'm betting of those 5% of what 5?% who are truly gay the majority had some sort of traumatic event in their live being raped etc.
 (hormonic inbalance is also a option)

So without a traumatic event or hormonic inbalance I don't think all that many pureblood gays exist (there ar emultiple gender issues) the rest of them yust have a preferece to the same gender or sometimes even their partner.

[George89]

Samara is going to tell you a secret.



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Modifié par George89, 30 septembre 2011 - 02:16 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

“The measure of an individual can be difficult to discern by actions alone.”

Just because they don't act/express interest in the same sex, doesn't mean there is no chance.

True, just unlikely. Everyone and their mother being bi, however, would be goddamn unrealistic.

[General User]

The problem with using the "but they never explicitly said their sexual orientation" argument to make a previously heterosexual romance option available to both sexes is that it's only good for one use, tops. 

What I mean is, while that argument could be used to provide a rationale (in the cases of some characters, a paper thin rationale) for making any romance option available to both sexes, using that argument for more than one character quickly descends into absurdity.  Cheapening characters and players alike.

Modifié par General User, 30 septembre 2011 - 02:17 .

[jlb524]

*has deja vu*

Speaking of...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

And my reasoning is twisted? Xili, please, I like you, but it becomes more difficult to take you seriously by the day.

You say this every day.

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

True, just unlikely. Everyone and their mother being bi, however, would be goddamn unrealistic.

..and 'realism'...again...

Modifié par jlb524, 30 septembre 2011 - 02:18 .

[Athayniel]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

“The measure of an individual can be difficult to discern by actions alone.”

Just because they don't act/express interest in the same sex, doesn't mean there is no chance.

True, just unlikely. Everyone and their mother being bi, however, would be goddamn unrealistic.

And now you're making a different argument.

By the way, did you miss my post on the previous page? Easy enough to do since it ended up being the last comment on the page.

[Stardusk78]

ladyvader wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Can we at least agree that most gay males find breasts and vaginas physically and psychologically disgusting?

No

Every one I have talked to has said that; they must be weird then.

And how many is that?  One or two?  I've never been told that by any of my gay friends.  Ever.  Some straight men won't go down either.  The same can be said about straight women.  

Ever one I have ever talked to, like I said must be weird. Ask your gay friends what they think of ****** diving...

[NICKjnp]

It is the writers job to show us what the characters are and not what they are not. In ME1&2 the only bisexual squadmates are Liara and Kelly. The other characters were shown to pursue only relationships with members of the opposite sex and therefore are heterosexual. Using information that isn't there as your evidence doesn'taim any way or form add to the argument. Trying to use the absence of evidence as evidence doesn't exactly work. The absence of evidence is simply the absence of evidence. It should not be used in the argument.

[Xilizhra]

General User wrote...

The problem with using the "but they never explicitly said their sexual orientation" argument to make a previously heterosexual romance option available to both sexes is that it's only good for one use, tops. 

What I mean is, while that argument could be used to provide a rationale (in the cases of some characters, a paper thin rationale) for making any romance option available to both sexes, using that argument for more than one character quickly descends into absurdity.  Cheapening characters and players alike.

ME3 is in a uniquely problematic situation. It's not usual that Bioware only realizes that it's safe to institute gay romances in the third installment. It's a tragic anomaly, and one that's not likely to happen again; you don't need to worry about any trends.

However, I don't believe that it cheapens anyone in any case.