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[Great_Horn]

Have a look:

http://www.computera...t-us-off-guard/

Modifié par Great_Horn, 30 septembre 2011 - 12:51 .

[Stanley Woo]

Hey folks, let's try and keep the name-calling and insults out of the discussion, please. We can disagree with each other without resorting to childish nastiness. Thank you.

[Stanley Woo]

Some childish bickering removed.

[John Epler]

Everwarden wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

GodWood wrote...

Ugh, can somebody ban this Versago guy.

It's beyond a joke. 

Seriously. Not even remotely amusing. 

Ridiculous. Childish. 

It's part of Bioware's double-standard. If a Dragon Age II detractor was saying the same things, they would have been banned weeks ago. Trolling is a-ok for a blind fan, though. 

Can you guess how many reports I've gotten about Versago this go around? I'll give you a hint - it's somewhere between zero and none.

Seriously. If you want to complain about the moderation being biased, then at the very least -tell- us about disruptive individuals. We are not omniscient.

[John Epler]

Everwarden wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...
Seriously. If you want to complain about the moderation being biased, then at the very least -tell- us about disruptive individuals. We are not omniscient.

I did, actually. But there, I did a second time.

Though I'm not usually the type to report someone for being a bit hostile, this guy contributes nothing at all. I don't mind ad homs in addition to an argument, but that's all this guy does. 

Let me clarify - the 'report user' function will eventually wend its way to someone who will look at it in the fullness of time. It's visible by EA employees, but not us average forum folk.

I'd recommend PM'ing a moderator. It's far more effective and allows us to react quickly, rather than when either A) we happen to check the thread on our own or  when someone else finally messages us.

[Stanley Woo]

Some childish bickering removed.

[Stanley Woo]

eroeru wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...
Can you guess how many reports I've gotten about Versago this go around? I'll give you a hint - it's somewhere between zero and none.

Seriously. If you want to complain about the moderation being biased, then at the very least -tell- us about disruptive individuals. We are not omniscient.

You should aim for that though.
And I've always thought that the "report this post" button is there for a reason. I'm clearly mistaken.

You are not. As John Epler said, the REPORT POST button sends reports to the EA Community team, and it can take a while for such reports to get to us here at BioWare, if they get to us at all. A much more efficient way of alerting us to trouble or potential trouble is to send one of us Moderators a PM with a link to the problem thread/post/profile and a short description of what to look for, whether it be a user name, post, or even where on the page we should be looking. The more information you can give to us, the better we can investigate the issue. These forums are here for you, and the more you help to make it a fun, clean, safe place to hang out and talk about BioWare and games, the better a place it will be.

You are correct, though. It is far more difficult to identify a troll if they are pro-something than if they are anti-something. The antis generally tend to rant and swear and insult and call people names, while the pros will merely post positive sounding messages. This does not and should not, however, prevent people from reporting such trolls when they find them.

the term "troll" is being thrown around far too much recently. It is being used to indicate merely disagreeable opinions or disagreeable people rather than to identify those who intentionally rile up the forumites just to provoke an extreme reaction. Let's try to keep this in mind, and identify trolls correctly.

If you have any questions or concerns regarding our community or this message, please let me know. Thank you.

[Stanley Woo]

Everwarden wrote...
Amusingly, my claim of a double-standard has been called 'childish bickering' and been removed. 

They'll likely call this 'confirmation bias', but doesn't that kinda prove my point? I'm not accusing Bioware of being a bunch of draconian censors, but the anti-DA2 crowd certainly has to walk a tightrope to stay unbanned.

When you don't send us any PMs to alert us to trouble, you can't very well complain that we're not dealing with said trouble. I, for one, investigate every PM I get regarding potential trouble on the forums. Whinging about it within a problem thread doesn't help, since we Moderators don't and can't read every post in every thread in every forum, 24 hours a day. We rely on helpful community members to alert us to potential problems.

People whinge and complain a lot in threads. That's not reporting trouble. Sending us a PM is reporting trouble. Not responding to one of our posts, not posting a comment on our profiles, not making it your signature. I encourage everyone to send us private messages when problems come up in the forums. Thank you.

[Stanley Woo]

TheRealJayDee wrote...
I've been on this boards since sometime during the development of DA2 until today, and maybe I'm biased because I'm more of an "anti" myself, but somehow I never felt much difference between "pros" and "antis" regarding behaviour. The most namecalling I notice myself is "pros" calling "antis" something in the likes of "whiner" and complain about them still being around and voicing criticsim.

And "antis" will call people "fanboys" for deigning to voice support for a game they happen to enjoy. Both sides can be disagreeable and be jerkfaces, yes, I will grant you that, but when it comes to trolling, it's eay easier to see "this game sucks donkeys and everyone should be fired!" than it is to see "this is the awesomest game ever and everyone should be promoted!" as evidence of trolling. That's why it's important for all of our community members to report potential problems that they see on the forums, and important for everyone to discuss, debate, and argue in a constructive, civil manner.

As to the poster who started the reporting discussion, it is really really hard not to notice him and his obnoxious posts and quotings. I'm not here as much as around the release, but he was the first person I ever came close to reporting, because every single post I saw from him was really just pointless and annoying. It feels like people got banned for less imo.

People can only be banned if they are investigated by a Moderator and deemed to be in flagrant violation of our posted rules, or if they have violated the rules often. And they can only be investigated by a Moderator if their behaviour has been reported in a PM to a Moderator. That's all I'm saying.

[John Epler]

If you're going to create an alt, please, at least -try- and avoid making it incredibly obvious. It's no fun.

[Stanley Woo]

I'm always around during the day. Please report forum issues directly to a Moderator.

[John Epler]

And we're done with this thread.

Although I'll admit that the concept of some of the more vocal pro posters being 'dev alts' provided me with no end of amusement.