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[Great_Horn]

Have a look:

http://www.computera...t-us-off-guard/

Modifié par Great_Horn, 30 septembre 2011 - 12:51 .

[Arthur Cousland]

Their reaction isn't news to anyone who frequents the forums.

I'm mainly surprised that they knew the game was rushed, but somehow kept talking about the game pre-release as if it was the next best thing. It also doesn't help that Bioware pulled the plug on Origins dlc prematurely because DA2 was supposedly ready to go. Anyone who's played the game can tell that DA2 could have used more time in development.

There were high enough expectations for DA2, being the follow-up to Origins, but after all of the hype and seeing the game released in it's rushed state, and full of questionable design decisions, backlash was inevitable.

That said, I liked DA2 overall, though it could have been much better.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 30 septembre 2011 - 02:23 .

[Rixxencaxx]

Maybe, one day people at Bioware will decide to grow up and clearly admit that dragon age 2 was a total fail. For now they continue with this stupid mantra about how much they are delighted with the "new audience".
Well i'll be brutal. You gained nothing. Dragon age 2 sold far less than origins; and we know that for sure cause EA said that they SHIPPED 2 million copies and we all know that a lot of that copies are still on the shelves....
And however how do you know that you caught new audience?...do you judge that from how many people imported theri character??? i loved dao and played it 5 times....But... surprise! i didn't import my character cause i uninstalled dao months before da2!

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 30 septembre 2011 - 01:55 .

[InfinitePaths]

DA2 Ftw i dont know how mature gamers can't figure that out.

[alex90c]

Great_Horn wrote...



Have a look:

http://www.computera...t-us-off-guard/

durrr they wunt more origins

ffs

[Monica83]

The funny thing is that didin't realize they can't statisfate both community ..

Its just simple there are people the DAO fanbase that loves old School RPG and the new crew that likes more action rpg...

isn't possible make rpg for people that don't like rpg.. Of course you can have a middle way but the result will be always low or mediocre..

[LeBurns]

Targeting a new group is fine.  It's great.  It's needed by any game company.  Doing it in the middle of a successful and well loved franchise is the stupidest thing I have ever seen a game company do.

In retro-spec I can think of dozens of ways they could have gone about it differently, but those suggestions are all over this board so no point in re-hashing it and crying over spilt milk again.

I don't see any indication that DA3 is going to lean back toward the successful formula of DAO.  Certain people at BioWare are never going to admit they made a multi-million dollar blunder, and unfortunately they are very likely to do it again just to try to prove they didn't blow it the first time.

[UrkOfGreyhawk]

I blogged about this myself a week or two ago when Greg Zeschuck was bad-mouthing RPGs.

Sadly, Bioware has completely lost control and my heart goes out to all the people that worked so hard to make it the best RPG studio in the world. EA has taken over and Bioware is just another crap factory now.

Modifié par UrkOfGreyhawk, 30 septembre 2011 - 03:29 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

Please, for the love of god, no one listen to this crap. It's just a hopeless attempt at appeasement among the DA community. It's soulless PR talk.

The new audience? What new audience? Your sales plumeted when DA2 released. There is no new audience, only pissed off DAO fans and DAO fans who also loved DA2.

CDPR, don't ever change, don't ever turn into another one of these soulless money grubbing corporations.

[Atakuma]

These statements were made nearly two months ago and there was a thread discussing them. Please just let that poor horse rest in piece.

[LeBurns]

UrkOfGreyhawk wrote...

I blogged about this myself a week or two ago when Greg Zeschuck was bad-mouthing RPGs.

Nice blog.  Unfortunately the truth means little to BioWare/EA at this point.  All someone has to do is point to a line that says Profit and everyone is happy and they go off to do it all again.

[Monica83]

And what new fan? the action crew?

Well im also an action game player and i must say that DA2 fails also in this...There are better action Rpg around than da2..

Just a suggestion bioware at this point return at your roots and take your fan's back... If you are interested in the action game market well you feel free to try it but not with this franchise that is started as RPG but with a new brand title

[JerHopp]

Could someone please explain to me the following:

I don't understand the concept of 'new fans'. I assume this would mean the people who bought DA2 and loved it and want more (like in 'looking forward to DA3). But how does Bioware know that the 'new fans' would actually buy DA3? You can only say 'they' are the new fans when DA3 comes out and 'they' have bought DA3 (they bought 2, stuck around and also bought 3). Right? And whose to say that they will actually buy DA3? Maybe it was just a one time buy...

I am sorry but it's just the concept of new fans that I don't understand.. How can you speak of a new fanbase when DA3 isn't out yet?

I hope I make sense... It's just a thought that comes to mind everytime I read something about 'new fans' (and even old fans, but that's something I can understand)..

[Monica83]

well it simple cowboy..

RPG are not just videogames.. Are in fact RPG
Is kind silly excuse them because they make "Videogames"
The first game was a nice RPG the second one is a roshed game cut in content with recicled areas mediocre story and clownish artstile where you spend your time killing wawes of 70 ennemys in all the quest...

There is a big difference from the first game to the second one... And change the nature of a franchise in this way is not productive and its also a stupid move

Is like if you try to make a baldour's gate sequel appealing at the diablo crew.. those are two different kind of gamers with their tastes..

If you try to statisfate both side.. you will end with a mediocre title but hey....

Ea want's money so speculating on the succes of a game to sell a bugged rushed second one is fine if money keeps going..This is why some people lost all the credibility on bioware..

Al this damage control pr talking...All those lies to save their face...

Delevoper named us: forchan trolls...people afraid to change

Modifié par Monica83, 30 septembre 2011 - 04:00 .

[addiction21]

Atakuma wrote...

These statements were made nearly two months ago and there was a thread discussing them. Please just let that poor horse rest in piece.

Look who is here posting? Not a change in hell of it happening. This will go the same way it always goes.

[Arthur Cousland]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

People, Bioware make video games, you're acting like they turned their back on curing cancer or something.

I'm not going to pretend that I'm going to stop buying Bioware games or anything, but when they rushed out DA2, they should have seen the backlash coming, instead of being "caught off guard".

It wasn't like they put out a polished product with their full effort behind it.  Bioware knew what they put out wasn't their best effort and hyped it up to be the next great rpg that would be 100x better than Origins.  As it is, many think that the "inferior" original game is, in fact, the better game.

Modifié par Arthur Cousland, 30 septembre 2011 - 04:09 .

[Rovay]

Arthur Cousland wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

People, Bioware make video games, you're acting like they turned their back on curing cancer or something.

I'm not going to pretend that I'm going to stop buying Bioware games or anything, but when they rushed out DA2, they should have seen the backlash coming, instead of being "caught off guard".

Maybe Bioware didn't anticipate that 'backlash' would include screams of bloody murder, calling hunts for Mike Laidlaw's head, heralds of doom for RPG genre, dramatic cries of betreyal, etc. ?

Modifié par Rovay, 30 septembre 2011 - 04:11 .

[Monica83]

They had what they deserved

[Arthur Cousland]

Rovay wrote...

Arthur Cousland wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

People, Bioware make video games, you're acting like they turned their back on curing cancer or something.

I'm not going to pretend that I'm going to stop buying Bioware games or anything, but when they rushed out DA2, they should have seen the backlash coming, instead of being "caught off guard".

Maybe Bioware didn't anticipate that 'backlash' would include screams of bloody murder, calling hunts for Mike Laidlaw's head, heralds of doom for RPG genre, dramatic cries of betreyal and so and so... ?

Yes, that kind of backlash was a bit much, but it seemed like they expected everyone to love the game.  People calling for Bioware staff to be fired and the personal insults was indeed uncalled for.

[Rovay]

Monica83 wrote...

They had what they deserved

Oh, how totally unexpected./sarcasm

[TheMadCat]

Rovay wrote...

Arthur Cousland wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

People, Bioware make video games, you're acting like they turned their back on curing cancer or something.

I'm not going to pretend that I'm going to stop buying Bioware games or anything, but when they rushed out DA2, they should have seen the backlash coming, instead of being "caught off guard".

Maybe Bioware didn't anticipate that 'backlash' would include screams of bloody murder, calling hunts for Mike Laidlaw's head, heralds of doom for RPG genre, dramatic cries of betreyal, etc. ?

People overreact, most everything was uncalled for but none of it could have been seen as unexpected. There's always these isolated groups of people screaming murder for someone which is ultimately insignificant. If you take their interviews immediatly after release they did seem geniuenly surprised that there was such criticism coming from every direction.

[RagingCyclone]

Rovay wrote...

Arthur Cousland wrote...

PresidentCowboy wrote...

People, Bioware make video games, you're acting like they turned their back on curing cancer or something.

I'm not going to pretend that I'm going to stop buying Bioware games or anything, but when they rushed out DA2, they should have seen the backlash coming, instead of being "caught off guard".

Maybe Bioware didn't anticipate that 'backlash' would include screams of bloody murder, calling hunts for Mike Laidlaw's head, heralds of doom for RPG genre, dramatic cries of betreyal, etc. ?

It actually reminded me of college when the football team was 0-10-1.  Coaches and AD's were being burned in effigy.  The backlash against DA2 reminded me of the same mentality amongst the fans. 

Modifié par RagingCyclone, 30 septembre 2011 - 04:27 .