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xkg wrote...

Alicia Keys wrote...

Well we have Mass Effect 3 now. You know that game is going to be awesome!!!

Well it depends on what kind of "awesomeness" you have in mind. If DA2's type - then I hope it won't be. lol 

crap, got ninja'd.
lol

[tmp7704]

Filament wrote...

I would say that recognition and seeking to address it in DLC and beyond (and some of Mike Laidlaw's posts on the matter) is acknowledgement in itself.

I think that doesn't meet expected level of communication, hence the whole controversy. In a way, it's not unlike a common situation where, when you **** something up, it's expected you'll acknowledge it verbally, rather than just eventually fix the damage while never actually mentioning the matter. (and blaming the mess on some other factor the entire time instead could be considered an especially poor form)

As far as them acknowledging it in an interview, well you're asking them to address another complaint entirely, when I was talking about the 'more Origins' complaint.

Not quite -- i'm talking about acknowledging that the lackluster quality of DA2 itself could be also a reason behind its mixed reception. They weren't addressing 'more Origins' complaint, but keep singling it out as a cause, while discussing a more open-ended issue.

it wouldn't be any more valid a complaint than the one they are choosing to talk about instead.

The issue isn't with validity, but with the fact there actually is an "instead".

[Mike_Neel]

I don't get why some people are attacking my post. I simply said a lot of people assume anyone who has anything to say about DA2 in a less than perfect way was disappointed it wasn't Origins 2. Maybe because I used the word "everyone" instead of "the majority" giving my post a definitive tone. The error was mine.
Either way I still believe my original argument holds true.

But then again this is the internet, the only location where you can discredit an entire argument if the original poster made a spelling or grammatical error. Logic never wins on the internet. I've accepted this.

[TheRealJayDee]

FemaleMageFan wrote...
I could play as a mage that hates the circle, or a mage that just does not care or even a mage that thinks all mages should be free even at the cost of slaying other templars and this does not change my personality at all. The Possibilities are endless

I for one couldn't play as a mage at all. I tried, because I like playing mages, but I never made it past Act 1. Why? Because it's no fun at all for me to play a character in a game that has setting and story focussed on the conflict between certain factions, and almost completely ignores the fact that my character is part of one of the factions. Not only that, but the game forces my character to be easily identified as a mage through clothing and equipment at all times, which still doesn't have any consequences in the game's world. Sorry, that’s just too weak for me.

[Wulfram]

To me it comes of like Bioware are trying to spin the criticism into something more positive for them - people are saying "this game is bad" but Bioware are claiming that instead they're saying "this game is too innovative for me to handle". And people don't really like being spun.

[Everwarden]

Wulfram wrote...

To me it comes of like Bioware are trying to spin the criticism into something more positive for them - people are saying "this game is bad" but Bioware are claiming that instead they're saying "this game is too innovative for me to handle". And people don't really like being spun.

This, pretty much. I don't see the benefit of them doing this, either. Are people really so stupid that they can't see through marketing garbage this transparent? 

An honest admission of a few of their mistakes would go a long way. I know a lot of fanboys are going to claim that they have done that.. but no, they haven't. "I'm sorry you just don't get the genius of what we were going for." is not an admission of a mistake, it's an insult to their customer. 

[viking135]

I don`t get all the DA2 hate i have played BW games since the first baldurs gate and i loved DA2 i by far preferd it to DAO

[AlexXIV]

viking135 wrote...

I don`t get all the DA2 hate i have played BW games since the first baldurs gate and i loved DA2 i by far preferd it to DAO

Just because people played all their games doesn't mean they like them all and even if they do, it doesn't mean they like the same things about them. I personally found DA2 their worst. And I find JE was a better game than most people think. People are different.

[Eyeshield21]

AlexXIV wrote...

viking135 wrote...

I don`t get all the DA2 hate i have played BW games since the first baldurs gate and i loved DA2 i by far preferd it to DAO

Just because people played all their games doesn't mean they like them all and even if they do, it doesn't mean they like the same things about them. I personally found DA2 their worst. And I find JE was a better game than most people think. People are different.

I like BW games, started first was Mass Effect, then ME2, then people told me to get into Dragon Age, since 2 was coming soon, I got  the Ultimate Edition of orgins for christmas, and I fell in love with all those games, cause of the story, relationships, gameplay, and the feeling of wanted to explore the land and the galaxy, I have only ever felt that way playing Halo Combat Evolved, then DA2 came and I still loved it, but it lacked the feeling of open worldness, like the feeling of wanted to explore the environments, but they just reused them and that wasn't that fun(still love those damn games, every one of them.) the DLC is proving to be good, and is giving a second life to the game for some people, so I'm not that worried.
By the way, Bethany as companion and LI for DA3  Please BW, make it happen!

Modifié par Eyeshield21, 02 octobre 2011 - 02:27 .

[jnewcomer536]

I am really tired of hearing "don't look at it as a sequel." Dragon age 2 was advertised as the sequel to Origins, and consequently featured "Dragon Age" in it's title. Apparently original thought was at such a premium in the studio they couldn't even think up a name for the game that did not latch on to the success Origins enjoyed.

Origins was a really good game, DA2 as a sequel was a pathetic cash grab. Judging DA2 on it own merits, it is not good at all.

[Androme]

Versago wrote...

viking135 wrote...

I don`t get all the DA2 hate i have played BW games since the first baldurs gate and i loved DA2 i by far preferd it to DAO

I'm glad to see that there is at least one person who isn't a moron. Only idiots think Origins and crap like The Witcher 2 is better than DA II. That is fact.

not sure if troll

Modifié par Androme, 02 octobre 2011 - 07:07 .

[csfteeeer]

Versago wrote...

viking135 wrote...

I don`t get all the DA2 hate i have played BW games since the first baldurs gate and i loved DA2 i by far preferd it to DAO

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Modifié par casamar, 03 octobre 2011 - 03:47 .

[Arcadian Legend]

Interestingly enough, I found this:

http://dragonage.wik...ia_to_a_Fangirl

[AlexXIV]

Versago wrote...

viking135 wrote...

I don`t get all the DA2 hate i have played BW games since the first baldurs gate and i loved DA2 i by far preferd it to DAO

I'm glad to see that there is at least one person who isn't a moron. Only idiots think Origins and crap like The Witcher 2 is better than DA II. That is fact.

DA:O is better than DA2, and Witcher 2 is just as bad as DA2. But Bioware is much bigger and longer in business than CDP, so you'd expect more from Bioware than from some polish upstart company. No offense to CDP or poland meant.

[xkg]

^ maybe check your facts first. "Upstart company" ? CDP maybe not as a game developer but in gaming business is longer on the market than Bioware.

[AlexXIV]

Versago wrote...

AlexXIV wrote...

Versago wrote...

viking135 wrote...

I don`t get all the DA2 hate i have played BW games since the first baldurs gate and i loved DA2 i by far preferd it to DAO

I'm glad to see that there is at least one person who isn't a moron. Only idiots think Origins and crap like The Witcher 2 is better than DA II. That is fact.

DA 2 is better than DA:O, and Witcher 2 is just as bad as Witcher 1. But Bioware is much bigger and longer in business than CDP, so you'd expect more from Bioware than from some polish upstart company. No offense to CDP or poland meant.

Indeed.

Wait what? Cheater!

[YankeeintheUK]

 It's not hard to image why fans of DA: Origins would have been jostled. I myself just finished DA:2 about 10 minutes ago and here's what I think:

#1. This is a game based off Origins, completely seperate in it's form and presentation.
     
- Combat isn't the same, just waves of what feels like zombies coming at you and the need to survive against them.

- No mass exploration of the continent, just damn Kirkwall all the time. Sure the journey to the Deep Roads kinda felt like we were heading out into the wide world but was quickly cut short as soon as this quest was over and it was back to old recycled dungeons/caves/mountain tops.

- No Character armor customization or secondary armor training. You know how much a pain in the ass it is to only be able to take one kind of guy with you who can only do one thing? If that's the case, then make the parties bigger than just 3 allies. ****, make it 5.

#2. I wasn't drawn into the guys/girls helping me as much as I was in the last story. Specifically, Fenris? What a whiney little ****. I liked all of them in Origins (except Sten, too much of a stoic, so what if he's Qunnari - make him likeable)

- Overall story didn't seem very engaging, I kept waiting for **** to happen - and on that note, TOO  MANY DRY/DRAB SIDEQUESTS. I was always running around doing **** for French snobs and playing errand boy; so much so that I began to only play the game just to see it finished, not to see how it ends. 

I've been a huge Bioware fan since Mass Effect found a very special place in my heart, and when I gave Origins a try, I thought it's sequal would be just as good comparable to ME:2 but in the Medieval fantasy genre: not so much

Fix these things for DA:3 please!

[Vice-Admiral von Titsling]

Apparently Muzyka finally got the memo about people being unhappy with/not buying DA2. Great.

They can go cry to the Call of Duty people for money, since they seem to want that audience so much. I don't see why they're upset with our feedback when we're not the players they want or need anymore. We've served our purpose, apparently.

The CoD forums are that-a-way, Muzyka. I suggest putting some guns in DA3 with scopes.

[Estherra Drack]

Polygamy is illegal in Florida BioWare. Along with women skydiving on Sunday also elephants have the right away.

Modifié par Estherra Drack, 03 octobre 2011 - 02:25 .

[Ihatebadgames]

If you think about it Elephants always have the right of way.
About DA 3,I am not going to pre order.I won't buy untill the bargin bin..unless there is a reason as in the battle of Ostagar with the feeling as all those darkspawn charge across the field.Can't remember if it was xboxlive or another forum some twenty something was stating they'd tried DA:O but there was to much reading.Thats who they want and why all the streamlined non content.

[Barry Bathernak]

how i wish to go back to the days of companies actually using feedback to make a better game for there fans and not say they do to make a game that they think people will like based only on what the people who didn't like they're game say.