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[Valdrane78]

So you created a thread to argue about creating a thread?

P.S. in before lock

Modifié par Valdrane78, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:25 .

[Xilizhra]

Why did you make two threads about this?

Also, it's because it stirs up a hornet's nest of stealth homophobia, regardless of whether anyone is actually well-intentioned. It's simply not worth it. If you have any legitimate concerns, bring them into that thread and have a civilized discussion, because the actual homophobes won't go in. It's for your own good.

[mesmerizedish]

Pros: gay sex.

Cons: none.

There's really nothing else to talk about.

[Mr.House]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Pros: gay sex.

Cons: none.

There's really nothing else to talk about.

I like this human, she understands.

[Valdrane78]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Pros: gay sex.

Cons: none.

There's really nothing else to talk about.

What about accidental gay sex as a con.  Yer just trien to be a good friend to Kaidan and suddenly he is in your room trien to give you smoochies.  That almost happened with Anders in DA2.

[Xewaka]

Valdrane78 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Pros: gay sex.
Cons: none.
There's really nothing else to talk about.

What about accidental gay sex as a con.  Yer just trien to be a good friend to Kaidan and suddenly he is in your room trien to give you smoochies.  That almost happened with Anders in DA2.

That's less a problem of gay sex and more a problem of useless if not outright counterproductive paraphrases. When you're reduced to make random guesses about your character's dialogue, stuff like that is bound to happen.

[King Minos]

Us Humans are born with the choice to choose, so use that gift and choose. Do you want a suckie suckie from that person? Yes or no?

[Stardusk78]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Pros: gay sex.

Cons: none.

There's really nothing else to talk about.

I can't tell whether this is sarcasm or not? Do you mean male to male anal sex by this?

[Valdrane78]

Xewaka wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Pros: gay sex.
Cons: none.
There's really nothing else to talk about.

What about accidental gay sex as a con.  Yer just trien to be a good friend to Kaidan and suddenly he is in your room trien to give you smoochies.  That almost happened with Anders in DA2.

That's less a problem of gay sex and more a problem of useless if not outright counterproductive paraphrases. When you're reduced to make random guesses about your character's dialogue, stuff like that is bound to happen.

But it is still a problem and a legitemet one at that.  As long as it is clear what you are saying, then it's a pro (for some)

Modifié par Valdrane78, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:32 .

[Xilizhra]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why did you make two threads about this?

Also, it's because it stirs up a hornet's nest of stealth homophobia, regardless of whether anyone is actually well-intentioned. It's simply not worth it. If you have any legitimate concerns, bring them into that thread and have a civilized discussion, because the actual homophobes won't go in. It's for your own good.

I accidently hit the enter button.

And, if discussing the Paragon vs Renegade system brings out people who approve of "wrong" things, or discussing Morinth brings out people who are psycopathic and approve of serial killers, should we lock those too?

It hasn't happened with the Morinth thread (since everyone supporting her either kills her for being a good villain or wants to see her redeemed), and the number of genuine Renegadish psychos is far, far smaller than the number of homophobes here.

[Kaiser Shepard]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why did you make two threads about this?

Also, it's because it stirs up a hornet's nest of stealth homophobia, regardless of whether anyone is actually well-intentioned. It's simply not worth it. If you have any legitimate concerns, bring them into that thread and have a civilized discussion, because the actual homophobes won't go in. It's for your own good.

I don't bring my arguments in there because I recognise that it's uncalled for to bring my business to your "sanctuary".

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

And, if discussing the Paragon vs Renegade system brings out people who approve of "wrong" things, or discussing Morinth brings out people who are psycopathic and approve of serial killers, should we lock those too?

That's actually quite relevant, as Xili seems to be supportive of the major murderers in both ME and DA.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:37 .

[Valdrane78]

Xilizhra wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why did you make two threads about this?

Also, it's because it stirs up a hornet's nest of stealth homophobia, regardless of whether anyone is actually well-intentioned. It's simply not worth it. If you have any legitimate concerns, bring them into that thread and have a civilized discussion, because the actual homophobes won't go in. It's for your own good.

I accidently hit the enter button.

And, if discussing the Paragon vs Renegade system brings out people who approve of "wrong" things, or discussing Morinth brings out people who are psycopathic and approve of serial killers, should we lock those too?

It hasn't happened with the Morinth thread (since everyone supporting her either kills her for being a good villain or wants to see her redeemed), and the number of genuine Renegadish psychos is far, far smaller than the number of homophobes here.

To be clear, are you calling people who disagree with you homophobes, or people who are blatanly angry about s/s romances in the game.

[NICKjnp]

I blame Casey. If he didn't announce it as being in-game then the FFTL crowd would simply be asking for any character. Instead it has gone to specifics. If they would have just waited till just before ME3 released then there would be fewer fights.

[shepskisaac]

Valdrane78 wrote...

But it is still a problem and a legitemet one at that.  As long as it is clear what you are saying, then it's a pro (for some)

Just as it is a problem when Liara tries to jump on my gay ManShep. So it really ain't a problem of s/s romances only. So why discuss it here? Not to mention, the solution is ytter-simple: make the reaponses clear and always give a choice to say "no thanks, don't want you".

NICKjnp wrote...

I blame Casey. If he didn't announce it as being in-game then the FFTL crowd would simply be asking for any character. Instead it has gone to specifics. If they would have just waited till just before ME3 released then there would be fewer fights.

If  there was no bigots, there would be 99% less anti-s/s threads.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:38 .

[Xilizhra]

To be clear, are you calling people who disagree with you homophobes, or people who are blatanly angry about s/s romances in the game.

It takes some reading between the lines. Some people are, some aren't. Anyone who talks about minorities getting all the lucky breaks or variations thereof, however...

I don't bring my arguments in there because I recognise that it's uncalled for to bring my business to your "sanctuary".

You may want to try playing something depravity-free.

[TheBlackBaron]

Xilizhra wrote...

Why did you make two threads about this?

Also, it's because it stirs up a hornet's nest of stealth homophobia, regardless of whether anyone is actually well-intentioned. It's simply not worth it. If you have any legitimate concerns, bring them into that thread and have a civilized discussion, because the actual homophobes won't go in. It's for your own good.

Right...what exactly constitues a "legitimate concern"? Because frankly, anytime somebody dares to voice an opinion other than 100% support of making all past romanceable character open to s/s romance, they get shouted down as a homophobe.

In fact, I distinctly recall you accusing those that are fine with homosexual romance, just with new characters, as simply being closet homophobes using a smokescreen of tolerance.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:39 .

[Xilizhra]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why did you make two threads about this?

Also, it's because it stirs up a hornet's nest of stealth homophobia, regardless of whether anyone is actually well-intentioned. It's simply not worth it. If you have any legitimate concerns, bring them into that thread and have a civilized discussion, because the actual homophobes won't go in. It's for your own good.

Right...what exactly constitues a "legitimate concern"? Because frankly, anytime somebody dares to voice an opinion other than 100% support of making all past romanceable character open to s/s romance, they get shouted down as a homophobe. 

Being afraid of them writing the transition badly.

In fact, I distinctly recall you accusing those that are fine with homosexual romance, just with new characters, as simply being closet homophobes using a smokescreen of tolerance.

Some of them are. It takes a courageous few to actually admit to hating s/s in general, given that it's so easily lableable. They have to pick their battles.

Modifié par Xilizhra, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[shepskisaac]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why did you make two threads about this?

Also, it's because it stirs up a hornet's nest of stealth homophobia, regardless of whether anyone is actually well-intentioned. It's simply not worth it. If you have any legitimate concerns, bring them into that thread and have a civilized discussion, because the actual homophobes won't go in. It's for your own good.

Right...what exactly constitues a "legitimate concern"? Because frankly, anytime somebody dares to voice an opinion other than 100% support of making all past romanceable character open to s/s romance, they get shouted down as a homophobe. 

Sweetheart, Kasier tried that in the previous thread. And he said gay relationships are "sexual depravities". So spare us these cover excuses.

[Stardusk78]

Xilizhra wrote...

To be clear, are you calling people who disagree with you homophobes, or people who are blatanly angry about s/s romances in the game.

It takes some reading between the lines. Some people are, some aren't. Anyone who talks about minorities getting all the lucky breaks or variations thereof, however...

I don't bring my arguments in there because I recognise that it's uncalled for to bring my business to your "sanctuary".

You may want to try playing something depravity-free.

Unless someone comes out and writes 'I hate...' blablabla, it's almost impossible to tell what a person is or his/her feelings are so and so.

[NICKjnp]

Just to make this clear...are you calling me a bigot?

[AdmiralCheez]

Gay romance is just in that weird place right now where a woman or non-white person in a position of authority would have been fifty years ago -- some people are still a little creeped out and haven't gotten used to it yet.

It may seem draconian to not allow anti-gay threads, but the discussion would ultimately lead to a violent flame-war and bring out the worst on both sides.

[shepskisaac]

NICKjnp wrote...

Just to make this clear...are you calling me a bigot?

No. Am I saying great majority of people who are against s/s romances are bigots? Hell to the yes. They expose it, they admit it eventually themselves, I don't even have to do anything lol.

[TheBlackBaron]

IsaacShep wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why did you make two threads about this?

Also, it's because it stirs up a hornet's nest of stealth homophobia, regardless of whether anyone is actually well-intentioned. It's simply not worth it. If you have any legitimate concerns, bring them into that thread and have a civilized discussion, because the actual homophobes won't go in. It's for your own good.

Right...what exactly constitues a "legitimate concern"? Because frankly, anytime somebody dares to voice an opinion other than 100% support of making all past romanceable character open to s/s romance, they get shouted down as a homophobe. 

Sweetheart, Kasier tried that in the previous thread. And he said gay relationships are "sexual depravities". So spare us these cover excuses.

Fortunately for you, I'm not Kaiser. Spare me the righteousness and the generalizations.