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[Stardusk78]

NICKjnp wrote...

Just to make this clear...are you calling me a bigot?

Of course, you are vile, raving, raging, virile homophobe! just to be clear...:lol:

[Xilizhra]

NICKjnp wrote...

Just to make this clear...are you calling me a bigot?

I don't remember a lot of what you've said, but the impression I've gotten is that you're closer to being not fully conscious of your own privileged status, which isn't quite the same thing. You aren't Kaiser, I'll say that much.

[bleetman]

Valdrane78 wrote...

What about accidental gay sex as a con.  Yer just trien to be a good friend to Kaidan and suddenly he is in your room trien to give you smoochies.  That almost happened with Anders in DA2.

If by "almost", you mean "didn't even remotely", then yes.

[Kaiser Shepard]

IsaacShep wrote...

Sweetheart, Kasier tried that in the previous thread. And he said gay relationships are "sexual depravities". So spare us these cover excuses.

Way to take what I've said out of context, dear. Expected more from you than Xili-level bigotry, especially considering the fact that I've clarified this in my response to your PM, after you went out of your way to call me a homophobe.

[AdmiralCheez]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Why did you make two threads about this?

Also, it's because it stirs up a hornet's nest of stealth homophobia, regardless of whether anyone is actually well-intentioned. It's simply not worth it. If you have any legitimate concerns, bring them into that thread and have a civilized discussion, because the actual homophobes won't go in. It's for your own good.

Right...what exactly constitues a "legitimate concern"? Because frankly, anytime somebody dares to voice an opinion other than 100% support of making all past romanceable character open to s/s romance, they get shouted down as a homophobe. 

Sweetheart, Kasier tried that in the previous thread. And he said gay relationships are "sexual depravities". So spare us these cover excuses.

Fortunately for you, I'm not Kaiser. Spare me the righteousness and the generalizations. 

And this is why we can't have nice things.

You guys.  Stop fighting, you guys.

[Xilizhra]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Sweetheart, Kasier tried that in the previous thread. And he said gay relationships are "sexual depravities". So spare us these cover excuses.

Way to take what I've said out of context, dear. Expected more from you than Xili-level bigotry, especially considering the fact that I've clarified this in my response to your PM, after you went out of your way to call me a homophobe.

Context, hm? Let's see.

The whiners are the people who'd enjoy it.

Ah, but we're victorious. We have nothing to whine about.

Doesn't mean that you people haven't been whining for Jubileus knows how long. And if you consider sexual depravities of any sort taking precedence over the integrity of the story and its characters a victory, then go ahead.

Oh, yeah, that looks way better.

[Nashiktal]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...
Pros: gay sex.
Cons: none.
There's really nothing else to talk about.

What about accidental gay sex as a con.  Yer just trien to be a good friend to Kaidan and suddenly he is in your room trien to give you smoochies.  That almost happened with Anders in DA2.

That's less a problem of gay sex and more a problem of useless if not outright counterproductive paraphrases. When you're reduced to make random guesses about your character's dialogue, stuff like that is bound to happen.

But it is still a problem and a legitemet one at that.  As long as it is clear what you are saying, then it's a pro (for some)

Then I assume you complained about Liara then? I had to deal with her unwanted, and buggy conversation paths in Me1. Also Anders didn't try to smooch you, he asked if you were interested. A big difference mate.

What you want is to stop ninjamancing, an entirely different worry that has little to do with Same sex romances.

[Stardusk78]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Sweetheart, Kasier tried that in the previous thread. And he said gay relationships are "sexual depravities". So spare us these cover excuses.

Way to take what I've said out of context, dear. Expected more from you than Xili-level bigotry, especially considering the fact that I've clarified this in my response to your PM, after you went out of your way to call me a homophobe.

Dude, I think you are just angry that we straight men don't have Grinder, imagine if we did!? Wow....:wub:

[jlb524]

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Pros: gay sex.

Cons: none.

There's really nothing else to talk about.

Marry me!

[Valdrane78]

IsaacShep wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

But it is still a problem and a legitemet one at that.  As long as it is clear what you are saying, then it's a pro (for some)

Just as it is a problem when Liara tries to jump on my gay ManShep. So it really ain't a problem of s/s romances only. So why discuss it here? Not to mention, the solution is ytter-simple: make the reaponses clear and always give a choice to say "no thanks, don't want you".

That is exactly my point though, no one wants something shoved in their faces that they don't want.  And even though I wouldn't want Kaidan hitting on me, I'd still feel like an ass turning him down and hurting his feelings.  Having clear responses avoids all of that.  I don't mind s/s romances, in fact it's a good thing.  Everyone should be able to play the game the way they want to play it, including the gay men and women who paid the same price for the game straight people paid for it.

[Blacklash93]

I don't see the problem with the S/S support thread being for... support. It's "For The Love", not "Against The Love".

As a S/S supporter, I'll give my two cents.

Pros:.
- More role-playing opportunities for everyone.
- Bi characters, whom IMO tend to be Bioware's best characters. (ex. Leliana)
- Might credit itself to some new lore on how sexuality is treated in ME. Not just with gender, but with aliens.

Cons:
- S/S content takes up resources and disc space, albeit very minor amounts.
- The endless whining and arguing attributed to the inclusion on BSN.
- Could make some people uncomfortable (though I can't really see why in a simple videogame).

Modifié par Blacklash93, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:53 .

[JoeLaTurkey]

"I say that homosexuality is not just a form of sex; it's a form of love and it deserves our respect for that reason."

--Christopher Hitchens

[Nashiktal]

Lets try to avoid calling each other bigots eh? This thead is going to be locked, lets not have it locked because we can't be civil.

[AdmiralCheez]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

People don't get through things by hiding from it, they get through it by facing it head on. Women's rights and inequality and all that stuff didn't come about in back-room deals, it came about when people stood up in front of crowds and created a stir.

True, but a gaming forum isn't exactly the right place to do that.  Bioware made a controversial decision, and they're trying to minimize the sh*tstorm.  If you're really worked up about something that isn't kosher for the BSN, you might want to just write a blog about it and let the people you want to read it know where it is.

Besides, encouraging bigotry won't do anything but ****** people off.

[Nashiktal]

Blacklash93 wrote...

I don't see the problem with the S/S support thread being for... support. It's "For The Love", not "Against The Love".

As a S/S supporter, I'll give my two cents.

Pros:.
- More role-playing opportunities for everyone.
- Bi characters, whom IMO tend to be Bioware's best characters. (ex. Leliana)
- Might credit itself to some new lore on how sexuality is treated in ME. Not just with gender, but with aliens.

Cons:
- Romance content takes up resources and disc space, albeit very minor amounts.
- The endless whining and arguing attributed to the inclusion on BSN.

Fixed/

[Kaiser Shepard]

Stardusk78 wrote...
Dude, I think you are just angry that we straight men don't have Grinder, imagine if we did!? Wow....:wub:

What's that?

And Xili, this is what I was typing as a response to Pinecone when Woo hit the threat:

ElitePinecone wrote... 

Kaiser Shepard wrote... 

sexual depravities of any sort

 
Please define these.

 BioWare (and as far as I'm aware, CDProjekt) style romances, where the simple act of repeatedly talking to the same character leads to a "reward" in the form of some gaudy, shallow "sex" scene.

And to add what I said to Isaac as well:

"Also note how I said "sexual depravities of any sort"; it's not like it's just the homosexual romances that bother me. If it were up to me, we wouldn't have any of them, or none going beyond flirting. At least not at the cost of character development regardless of any romances, or actual (paragon/renegade) choices having real consequences."

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 30 septembre 2011 - 05:54 .

[Nashiktal]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

People don't get through things by hiding from it, they get through it by facing it head on. Women's rights and inequality and all that stuff didn't come about in back-room deals, it came about when people stood up in front of crowds and created a stir.

True, but a gaming forum isn't exactly the right place to do that.  Bioware made a controversial decision, and they're trying to minimize the sh*tstorm.  If you're really worked up about something that isn't kosher for the BSN, you might want to just write a blog about it and let the people you want to read it know where it is.

Besides, encouraging bigotry won't do anything but ****** people off.

Not to mention you are not going to change peoples minds on an internet forum dedicated to gaming. People don't come here to make sweeping changes to the social order, they come here to argue that their favorite character needs more screentime/

[TheBlackBaron]

Nashiktal wrote...

Lets try to avoid calling each other bigots eh? This thead is going to be locked, lets not have it locked because we can't be civil.

Well, it'll be locked for redundancy soon enough anyway. But yes, these things do devolve into name-calling at a faster than usual pace. 

[AdmiralCheez]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

BioWare (and as far as I'm aware, CDProjekt) style romances, where the simple act of repeatedly talking to the same character leads to a "reward" in the form of some gaudy, shallow "sex" scene.

If you think it's dumb, then just don't do it.  I think Sheploo looks dumb, so I never play as him.

[Xilizhra]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

And Xili, this is what I was typing as a response to Pinecone when Woo hit the threat:

ElitePinecone wrote... 

Kaiser Shepard wrote... 
sexual depravities of any sort

 
Please define these.

 BioWare (and as far as I'm aware, CDProjekt) style romances, where the simple act of repeatedly talking to the same character leads to a "reward" in the form of some gaudy, shallow "sex" scene.

Considering how disdainful you are of (supposedly) all romantic content, why don't you play another game that doesn't include this?

[Stardusk78]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...
Dude, I think you are just angry that we straight men don't have Grinder, imagine if we did!? Wow....:wub:

What's that?

And Xili, this is what I was typing as a response to Pinecone when Woo hit the threat:

ElitePinecone wrote... 

Kaiser Shepard wrote... 
sexual depravities of any sort

 
Please define these.

 BioWare (and as far as I'm aware, CDProjekt) style romances, where the simple act of repeatedly talking to the same character leads to a "reward" in the form of some gaudy, shallow "sex" scene.

Grinder is an online resource where you can arrange quick lays with anyone whom you fancy if they agree to it as well; there is also an application with Grinder that allows you to track people who are on Grinder and how far away they are from you. In straight world there is sadly no such thing but that is women's fault.

[Blacklash93]

Well, at least I can say I tried to put something productive here.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 30 septembre 2011 - 06:02 .

[Nashiktal]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

BioWare (and as far as I'm aware, CDProjekt) style romances, where the simple act of repeatedly talking to the same character leads to a "reward" in the form of some gaudy, shallow "sex" scene.

True, bioware is definitely not a dating sim. I'm glad their not though, dating sims fulfill the niche that needs filling. I don't know how bioware could make an optional romance (out of multiple optional romances) a deep and fulfilling mechanic, especially since conversations with said characters are incapable of being completely set and planned, and you have to work within strict parameters.

I applaud them for trying though.