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[Anacronian Stryx]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Pros: gay sex.

Cons: none.

There's really nothing else to talk about.

What about accidental gay sex as a con.  Yer just trien to be a good friend to Kaidan and suddenly he is in your room trien to give you smoochies.  That almost happened with Anders in DA2.

Reload?

Seriously whats the problem?

If you make a mistake in a firefight ans Shep takes a grenade to the face and dies.. you reload, If you aren't paying attention to a conversation and it goes down a unintended path..reload.

Unacceptable.  There are times when the ole wheel o' conversation isn't clear and times when what is written on the wheel comes out nothing like what was there.  I shouldn't have to reload a game when my options for a conversation were unclear (game flaw).  Now if it is blatant in what it says and I screw up, then yes I should reload the game. 

So your point actually have nothing to do with S/S relationships but instead is about complaining over the unclear dialogue wheel..gotcha.

[Nashiktal]

Alright since I see the Dating Sim comparison a lot, and as a dating sim fan I feel a little annoyed by the misconception. So here is an example of a dating sim.

True Love Edit: I need to create a more reliable link.
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Maid Story



The second one is technically a management game, but you can grow your relationship with them as you manage the maids training.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 30 septembre 2011 - 06:32 .

[Blacklash93]

C9316 wrote...

Welcome to poltical correctness....

I don't think anyone is getting offended by the existance of threads opposing S/S romance. They just naturally devolve into arguments and the mods recognize that.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

I think a con of S/S romance being in the game, is IF bioware decided to make all the Li's Bi when they put S/S in the game.

Modifié par AnAccountWithNoName, 30 septembre 2011 - 06:19 .

[Valdrane78]

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

Anacronian Stryx wrote...

Valdrane78 wrote...

ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Pros: gay sex.

Cons: none.

There's really nothing else to talk about.

What about accidental gay sex as a con.  Yer just trien to be a good friend to Kaidan and suddenly he is in your room trien to give you smoochies.  That almost happened with Anders in DA2.

Reload?

Seriously whats the problem?

If you make a mistake in a firefight ans Shep takes a grenade to the face and dies.. you reload, If you aren't paying attention to a conversation and it goes down a unintended path..reload.

Unacceptable.  There are times when the ole wheel o' conversation isn't clear and times when what is written on the wheel comes out nothing like what was there.  I shouldn't have to reload a game when my options for a conversation were unclear (game flaw).  Now if it is blatant in what it says and I screw up, then yes I should reload the game. 

So your point actually have nothing to do with S/S relationships but instead is about complaining over the unclear dialogue wheel..gotcha.

It's a little of both.  I'm not against s/s relationships by any means.  I just don't want to happen what happened in DA2 with Anders.  I feel like a jerk whenever I break his heart.

[NICKjnp]

I don't want Kasumi or Samara. Samara flat out said no and Kasumi because she wants Mr. Taylor....they should be a couple in ME3.

And my concern about Tali being 17 was her personality in ME1. Yeah they say she is 24 in ME2 but did you really get that vibe in ME1?

[SandTrout]

I think this was spurred by the fact that a thread that I created for specifically discussing the likelihood of specific characters turning out to be bisexual was locked because 'we already have a thread discussing this', even though my point of view that most of the characters should not be bisexual is specifically not welcome there.

It is internal inconsistency between the stated rules which we are expected to follow and what is actually being enforced.

[shepskisaac]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

And EVEN if you talked about more than just gay romances, you still obviously included gay romances in 'sexual depravities'. So please.

Well yeah, can't I dislike gay romances as much as I dislike the other ones, either?

Sure you can, everyone can do whatever they want. just don't get surprised if people think you have some kind of a problem when you call any romance a 'sexual depravity'. It's one thing to say "romances should be less focused on by BioWare", it's another to say any romance is a sexual depravitity. Romance is in human nature and been a part of the literature/cinema & games since the beginning so if someone thinks it's all depravity, I say someone's got a problem.

[Xilizhra]

SandTrout wrote...

I think this was spurred by the fact that a thread that I created for specifically discussing the likelihood of specific characters turning out to be bisexual was locked because 'we already have a thread discussing this', even though my point of view that most of the characters should not be bisexual is specifically not welcome there.

It is internal inconsistency between the stated rules which we are expected to follow and what is actually being enforced.

Actually, the stated rules in Priestly's post are "don't talk about it AT ALL."

[rolson00]

NICKjnp wrote...

I don't want Kasumi or Samara. Samara flat out said no and Kasumi because she wants Mr. Taylor....they should be a couple in ME3.

And my concern about Tali being 17 was her personality in ME1. Yeah they say she is 24 in ME2 but did you really get that vibe in ME1?

??? are you trolling?

[ladyvader]

Stardusk78 wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

I don't see the problem with the S/S support thread being for... support. It's "For The Love", not "Against The Love".

As a S/S supporter, I'll give my two cents.

Pros:.
- More role-playing opportunities for everyone.
- Bi characters, whom IMO tend to be Bioware's best characters. (ex. Leliana)
- Might credit itself to some new lore on how sexuality is treated in ME. Not just with gender, but with aliens.

Cons:
- S/S content takes up resources and disc space, albeit very minor amounts.
- The endless whining and arguing attributed to the inclusion on BSN.
- Could make some people uncomfortable (though I can't really see why in a simple videogame).

My problem is with anything that is NOTcompletely "for the Love" being redirected to the support thread.

AdmiralCheez wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

People don't get through things by hiding from it, they get through it by facing it head on. Women's rights and inequality and all that stuff didn't come about in back-room deals, it came about when people stood up in front of crowds and created a stir.

True, but a gaming forum isn't exactly the right place to do that.  Bioware made a controversial decision, and they're trying to minimize the sh*tstorm.  If you're really worked up about something that isn't kosher for the BSN, you might want to just write a blog about it and let the people you want to read it know where it is.

Besides, encouraging bigotry won't do anything but ****** people off.

I'm not all that worked up, it's just annoying to see these threads pop up, some people saying some good stuff, a couple saying bad stuff, and it gets locked.

Bioware is Bioware, no freedom of speech here.

One BioWare is a company not the Government.  You agreed to the their terms when you made an account here. 

Two, BioWare is Canadian company.

Also about threads being locked, most get locked because they are repeat threads and the mods want this type of stuff in the s/s thread.  Not that had to understand.

[Nashiktal]

NICKjnp wrote...

I don't want Kasumi or Samara. Samara flat out said no and Kasumi because she wants Mr. Taylor....they should be a couple in ME3.

And my concern about Tali being 17 was her personality in ME1. Yeah they say she is 24 in ME2 but did you really get that vibe in ME1?

Not really no. She was definitely the most "wide eyed" of the group, but underaged? The pilgrimage is essentially the "college" life of the quarians. The transition of life to adulthood. 17 is not where the transition begins in our modern culture so I am unsure where you got that from.

I can understand taking advantage of her naivite as being a reason not to romance her though.

Aside from that, did you not see how much she matured in ME2? The naivite is still there in the background, but she has definitely grown from that naive girl in ME1.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 30 septembre 2011 - 06:26 .

[SandTrout]

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, the stated rules in Priestly's post are "don't talk about it AT ALL."

Maybe you are referring to a post other than the quote in the OP, but I am assuming that you are refering to this:

Chris Priestly wrote...

Please remember:
All romances in Mass Effect 3 (as with parts 1 and 2) are optional. If you do not enjoy romance options in games, please stay out of discussions where fans of such romances can discuss them. Mass Effect 3 also has same sex relationships. If you do not enjoy or approve of same sex relationships, please stay out of discussion on these topics. While we respect each person's personal beliefs, we do not allow insults, ridicule or hatred against people on these forums based on religion, politics, race, age or sexual preference. People breaking the Site Rules will be dealt with accordingly.

I did not invading a thread where the supporters go, nor am I stating that I do not approve of same-sex relationships in a general sense. I specifically took the stance of likelyhood and plausibility. I did not violate anything stated, and my thread was locked because I didn't violate those rules.

Modifié par SandTrout, 30 septembre 2011 - 06:29 .

[ladyvader]

SandTrout wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Actually, the stated rules in Priestly's post are "don't talk about it AT ALL."

Maybe you are referring to a post other than the quote in the OP, but I am assuming that you are refering to this:

Chris Priestly wrote...

Please remember:
All romances in Mass Effect 3 (as with parts 1 and 2) are optional. If you do not enjoy romance options in games, please stay out of discussions where fans of such romances can discuss them. Mass Effect 3 also has same sex relationships. If you do not enjoy or approve of same sex relationships, please stay out of discussion on these topics. While we respect each person's personal beliefs, we do not allow insults, ridicule or hatred against people on these forums based on religion, politics, race, age or sexual preference. People breaking the Site Rules will be dealt with accordingly.

I did not invading a thread where the supporters go, nor am I stating that I do not approve of same-sex relationships in a general sense. I specifically took the stance of likelyhood and plausibility. I did not violate anything stated, and my thread was locked because I didn't violate those rules.

Your thread got locked for being a repeat thread.  I take it you didn't read what Woo wrote when he locked it.  He said take it to the s/s thread.

I'm sure the same will be said about this one as well.

[SandTrout]

ladyvader wrote...

Your thread got locked for being a repeat thread.  I take it you didn't read what Woo wrote when he locked it.  He said take it to the s/s thread.

I'm sure the same will be said about this one as well.

You're not getting it. My ideas are not welcome in that thread, and to post in that thread, which is specifically in support of S/S, would be to violate the conditions layed out by Priestly.

[Xilizhra]

SandTrout wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Your thread got locked for being a repeat thread.  I take it you didn't read what Woo wrote when he locked it.  He said take it to the s/s thread.

I'm sure the same will be said about this one as well.

You're not getting it. My ideas are not welcome in that thread, and to post in that thread, which is specifically in support of S/S, would be to violate the conditions layed out by Priestly.

You are enlightened.

[SandTrout]

Xilizhra wrote...

You are enlightened.

It doesn't take a great deal on insight to know when you're not wanted or when you're in the wrong venue.

[ladyvader]

SandTrout wrote...

ladyvader wrote...

Your thread got locked for being a repeat thread.  I take it you didn't read what Woo wrote when he locked it.  He said take it to the s/s thread.

I'm sure the same will be said about this one as well.

You're not getting it. My ideas are not welcome in that thread, and to post in that thread, which is specifically in support of S/S, would be to violate the conditions layed out by Priestly.

You're not getting it.  They don't flame wars.  Which is why threads the outside the s/s thread get locked.  One they are repeat threads.  And not needed to begin with.  And I just said what Woo said.  Which is what he says every time he locks a thread like yours.

People like you just have to deal with it.  They say there is going to be s/s in ME3.  No one is forcing you to do a s/s relationship.  Just like no one is forcing you to do any of the relationship.  I do have one single Shepard.

[Nashiktal]

I have to say though, and I am not trolling, but what exactly are the DIRECT cons of S/S romances?

If they didn't make previous characters Bi, and bioware has said all romances are now player initiative (I.E squademates are reactive now) then what exactly is the con?

[Collider]

Nashiktal wrote...

I have to say though, and I am not trolling, but what exactly are the DIRECT cons of S/S romances?

If they didn't make previous characters Bi, and bioware has said all romances are now player initiative (I.E squademates are reactive now) then what exactly is the con?

Insecure people get uncomfortable from the very fact that homosexual content exists.

[Valdrane78]

Nashiktal wrote...

I have to say though, and I am not trolling, but what exactly are the DIRECT cons of S/S romances?

If they didn't make previous characters Bi, and bioware has said all romances are now player initiative (I.E squademates are reactive now) then what exactly is the con?

The only pro is that it creates a little more diversity in game.  There are no cons.  Any and all other pro's and cons are purely player preferance.

Modifié par Valdrane78, 30 septembre 2011 - 06:42 .

[SandTrout]

ladyvader wrote...

You're not getting it.  They don't flame wars.  Which is why threads the outside the s/s thread get locked.  One they are repeat threads.  And not needed to begin with.  And I just said what Woo said.  Which is what he says every time he locks a thread like yours.

People like you just have to deal with it.  They say there is going to be s/s in ME3.  No one is forcing you to do a s/s relationship.  Just like no one is forcing you to do any of the relationship.  I do have one single Shepard.

I'm guessing that you didn't read my thread. I did nothing to instigate a flame war, and I was arguing against specific characters 'coming out' for reasons of character consistancy, not out of any complaint about S/S being in the game. On the topic S/S relationships in general, I'm actually rather apathetic. However, I do take issue with irrational changes to established characters, which was all that I was arguing against, and is not a repeat thread because it is outside the domain of the FFTL thread. It is a similar topic, but hardly identicle, especially when anyone who expresses any opinion counter to 'everyone is bi or gay' in the FFTL thread is chastised.

There's an issue when any discussion on a topic is referred to the topic within which only one point of view is allowed. BioWare is allowed to manage their community however they like, but they shouldn't be surpised when their customers give negative feedback when their community managers are acting stupidly.

[SandTrout]

Valdrane78 wrote...

The only pro is that it creates a little more diversity in game.  There are no cons.  Any and all other pro's and cons are purely player preferance.

fixed.

[Valdrane78]

To Ladyvader and Sandtrout. Your arguement is precisely the reason threads like this get locked, get the hell back on topic or take it to PM.

[SandTrout]

Valdrane78 wrote...

To Ladyvader and Sandtrout. Your arguement is precisely the reason threads like this get locked, get the hell back on topic or take it to PM.

We are on topic. Read the whole OP if you are confused by this statement.

Modifié par SandTrout, 30 septembre 2011 - 06:49 .