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[Funkcase]

Lizardviking wrote...

Funkcase wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Is there really not a single other Alliance marine good enough to become a Spectre instead of the VS?

Because I'd place them pretty low on the ranked list.

Really? They've done more than Shepard did before he/she became a Spectre..

And working with Shepard already took out needing a mentour.

I wonder what their Torfan/Elysium/Akuze was. The battle of the Citadel? Or something else perhaps.

Probably, Virmire and Ilos too, and I assume they've been very busy with other stuff in the past two years.

[shepskisaac]

Lizardviking wrote...

I wonder what their Torfan/Elysium/Akuze was. The battle of the Citadel? Or something else perhaps.

Wouldn't that be more than enough? They freaking saved the galaxy with Shep there. And then of course is Virmire. Not to mention important Horizon mission. And they can still reveal some important mission from their past before ME1. If any Alliance soldier would qualify for a Spectre, it would be VS after Shep.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 01 octobre 2011 - 02:13 .

[JamieCOTC]

And I'm sure it will have about the same amount of impact that Shepard being a Spectre did in ME2. i. e. Not much.

[Kaiser Shepard]

IsaacShep wrote...

Yes, and you will deal.  Join the celebration

That might be the awesomest thing I've seen on here since Christmas Garrus.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

IsaacShep wrote...

Lizardviking wrote...

I wonder what their Torfan/Elysium/Akuze was. The battle of the Citadel? Or something else perhaps.

Wouldn't that be more than enough? They freaking saved the galaxy with Shep there. And then of course is Virmire. Not to mention important Horizon mission. And they can still reveal some important mission from their past before ME1. If any Alliance soldier would qualify for a Spectre, it would be VS after Shep.

True. I should have said their service in ME1 instead of just the Citadel.

I really do not get the complaints about the VS becoming a spectre. They might not have been uber badasses like Saren or Shepard, but I think Vasir (as cool as she was) showed that not all spectres are on the same level as Saren/Shep.

The VS is a competent indivdual no matter who it is, couple that with politics (desire for a new spectre and rolemodel after Shepard being too much of a headache) and I think it makes sense that they were pushed for spectrehood.

[shepskisaac]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

That might be the awesomest thing I've seen on here since Christmas Garrus.

Everything Kaidan is made of pure awesomness

[Someone With Mass]

Funkcase wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Is there really not a single other Alliance marine good enough to become a Spectre instead of the VS?

Because I'd place them pretty low on the ranked list.

Really? They've done more than Shepard did before he/she became a Spectre..

And working with Shepard already took out needing a mentour.

I like to put strategic thinking ahead of brute force, since you can train anyone to be efficient with a weapon, but the way people think and act in certain situations is usually a natural thing.

[CroGamer002]

Wulfram wrote...

They might be crimes, perhaps, but none of those are really war crimes, at least not in the context they occured.

Hmh, killing Rachni Queen is a genocide, so it does count as war crime.

edit: except maybe the nukes, but I don't really think so.

How is that a war crime?

It was used on hostile military force.

[DaringMoosejaw]

I wonder how people can so confidently go about declaring things war crimes when they know practically nothing of the in-universe laws and jurisdictions regarding them.

Modifié par DaringMoosejaw, 01 octobre 2011 - 03:01 .

[LOLandStuff]

Nuking Saren's summer house was Kirrahe's idea. Shepard helped and you had no other choice but to destroy the place.
And Shepard took credit for killing Sovereign because he/she's the one to give the orders while the Citadel was under attack. It's thanks to Shepard the Citadel was saved in the first place if he/she hadn't gone to Ilos.

[Wulfram]

Mesina2 wrote...

Hmh, killing Rachni Queen is a genocide, so it does count as war crime.

You're right.  I guess I wasn't counting it since none of my Sheps do it.

How is that a war crime?

It was used on hostile military force.

Use of WMD on garden worlds is banned by the Citadel Conventions.

[CroGamer002]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I like to put strategic thinking ahead of brute force, since you can train anyone to be efficient with a weapon, but the way people think and act in certain situations is usually a natural thing.

And VS is not capable for capable for that?

I mean, Ashley Williams is ranked Gunnery Chief while Kaidan Alenko Staff Lieutenant in ME1.
Those are pretty high ranks which makes them very capable for strategy and leading.

And considering that Ashley's family is marked while Kaidan is, well, there; it's obvious they didn't pulled some strings or got it easy.

Also in ME2, Ashley is Second Lieutenant while Kaidan Staff Commander, which is same rank as Shepard.
They wouldn't get those promotions for no good and legitimate reason.

[CroGamer002]

Wulfram wrote...

Use of WMD on garden worlds is banned by the Citadel Conventions.

Didn't know that.

Well, in Shepard's defense it was STG's idea.

[CroGamer002]

DaringMoosejaw wrote...

I wonder how people can so confidently go about declaring things war crimes when they know practically nothing of the in-universe laws and jurisdictions regarding them.

I'm pretty sure they are mostly the same as UN's.

[ddv.rsa]

Mesina2 wrote...
Hmh, killing Rachni Queen is a genocide, so it does count as war crime.

The Citadel Council had the Rachni exterminated in the first place. If Shepard committed a war crime, then so did they.

Modifié par ddv.rsa, 01 octobre 2011 - 03:15 .

[LOLandStuff]

Shepard becomes desperate to stop the Reapers even if you play a full paragon. You're running out of time and options, especially since no one is willing to help or take anything you say seriously. You have no other choice but to do extreme things for the greater good.
This discussion about Shepard being a war criminal is as dumb as the whining about Arrival and how some players would never kill an entire system to stop the Reapers. And we all know how that ends if you sit around and wait.

Modifié par LOLandStuff, 01 octobre 2011 - 03:20 .

[Kaiser Shepard]

Mesina2 wrote...

Hmh, killing Rachni Queen is a genocide, so it does count as war crime.

Killing just the one beast doesn't constitute genocide.

[Wulfram]

ddv.rsa wrote...

The Citadel Council had the Rachni exterminated in the first place. If Shepard committed a war crime, then so did they.

The Council was facing an indoctrinated foe with whom it was impossible to negotiate.  Shepard was having a cozy chat with the Queen.

[ddv.rsa]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Hmh, killing Rachni Queen is a genocide, so it does count as war crime.

Killing just the one beast doesn't constitute genocide.

I'm sure you're familiar with the argument: she's the last of her kind, so killing her would be wiping out the race. Therefore it is genocide.

[ddv.rsa]

Wulfram wrote...

ddv.rsa wrote...

The Citadel Council had the Rachni exterminated in the first place. If Shepard committed a war crime, then so did they.

The Council was facing an indoctrinated foe with whom it was impossible to negotiate.  Shepard was having a cozy chat with the Queen.

They Council denies the existence of the Reapers, so they'll have a hard time using that justification. And although the Rachni Queen hints at indoctrination, I personally don't find the evidence strong enough to be certain. I also don't trust her. Who's to say she isn't lying?

[TobyHasEyes]

ddv.rsa wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Hmh, killing Rachni Queen is a genocide, so it does count as war crime.

Killing just the one beast doesn't constitute genocide.

I'm sure you're familiar with the argument: she's the last of her kind, so killing her would be wiping out the race. Therefore it is genocide.

 Am sure any accepted definition of the term 'genocide' would reference the intention; for example if the last member of a race slept with your partner so you killed them, I suspect you would be charged with murder rather than genocide

 But I agree with the above post.. very much off topic

Modifié par TobyHasEyes, 01 octobre 2011 - 03:35 .

[Wulfram]

ddv.rsa wrote...

They Council denies the existence of the Reapers, so they'll have a hard time using that justification. And although the Rachni Queen hints at indoctrination, I personally don't find the evidence strong enough to be certain. I also don't trust her. Who's to say she isn't lying?

Well, the Council might not put it down to indoctrination, but the refusal of the Rachni to surrender is a matter of historical record.

[Merchant2006]

Golden-Rose wrote...

*sigh*

Here we go, about the thousandth topic bashing Ashley and Kaidan ("p*ssy", "b*tch", "racist bimbo sl*t" etc. etc. etc.) and insisting Garrus should be a spectre. *yawn*

I don't see where anyone has said that prior to your stupid post on this thread. herpaderp.

[Aumata]

BobZilla 2k10 wrote...
The Viremire Survivor's Accomplishments
Helped Shepard Defeat Soverign
Helped Shepard Kill Saren
Helped Shepard Save a few Colonies "Terra Nova & Fero's"

Greater feats of them gettting specter status than Shepard prior to being a specter.