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[UserForFun]

I think is rather ironic, even the poetic, for Shepard slowly becoming the man he hunted with such passion.. None other than my favorite character Saren Arterius.

Now you ponder; How Shepard is becoming Saren..? 

Well, both of them had noble goals, fighting for what they believed was the salvation of the Galaxy.Saren intended to forge an alliance with the Reapers, and make them acknowledge the existence of the organics, as a necessity for their own evolution, by allowing them passage within the Galaxy, eliminating thousands of individuals ( Eden Prime, Citadel Station ) in order to ensure that the alliance shall be forged, and thus he'll save trillions.

Shepard intended to destroy or atleast, prevent the Reapers from ever reaching the Milky Way, wiping out an entire Solar System in the process. ( At this point it seems Saren's '' evil ruthlessness '' seems minor in comparison ) 
Saren eventually received synthetic augmentations to his physical body by Sovereign. Shepard received limited augmentations by the Project Lazarus itself and then later you have the option to further improve/increase everything within his body; From skin, bones, etc.. End result is the same, both of their bodies became the embodiment of synthetic/organic union.

Both at some point lost their spectre status, and in the aftermath both were to be judged/trialed by their respective faction ( Council for Saren. Alliance for Shepard ) 
From a view-point, their path/pattern is identical.. Each bearing his own banner, basing his ( or her ) assumption, that their actions will save the galaxy.
Thoughts.?

Modifié par UserForFun, 01 octobre 2011 - 02:01 .

[Swimming Ferret]

Saren is dead. Shepard isn't. That's a big difference in my book.

[Chewin]

I've also had speculations on this being a possibility, and I wouldn't mind an ending like that one.

[UserForFun]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Saren is dead. Shepard isn't. That's a big difference in my book.

I don't mean to ruin your overly thoughtful argument, but Shepard died as well..

Modifié par UserForFun, 01 octobre 2011 - 01:19 .

[toastye weasel]

wasn't Saren being controlled by his implants thought ?

[UserForFun]

Indeed he was, and Shepard was on the verge to be controlled as well.. But supposedly Illusive Man prevented it.

I'm simple enlisted several similarities between the two characters, perhaps it is mere coincidence or there's a deeper connection that is yet to be unraveled by the writers. Still, I find it quite intriguing and interesting, perhaps Saren still has a role to play, even in death..?

Speaking of similarities, I'll add another; Both Saren and Shepard's actions had a great impact upon the Galaxy, and both are equally renown for the same event. Particularly that Saren was given credit for the near-annihilation of the Citadel Station, and Shepard gained a huge amount of renown by the fact he saved it.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Did the OP mean "Fate has a twist of irony" in the title?

I was actually thinking of the likeness between Saren and TIM. Both think they are saving the galaxy, both trying to do stuff they probably shouldn't be doing to save the galaxy, and both slowly being indoctrinated. I mean, look at those cybernetic eyes they share. I've had a really bad feeling about TIM from the start and from the little information we have about him and Cerberus for ME3 I'm starting to think I'm right.

You would think though that there may have been some Reaper tech used on Shepard to revive her/him. Maybe for ME3 Shepard will be struggling with indoctrination attempts on herself/himself. After seeing how easy it was for Shepard to get hacked in Overlord, it's just a scary thought. Interesting if they left it completely optional, so the player can allowed Shepard to be indoctrinated for kicks and doom the galaxy.

[MACharlie1]

I've made this point several times. Similarities don't stop there.

Saren recruited Rachni, Geth, Krogan (with a cure). What can Shep do? Recruit Rachni, Geth and Krogran (with Mordin creating a cure).

Saren had Benezia. Shep has Liara - who is becoming like Benezia.

Both killed Spectres. Saren killed Nihlus. Shep killed Tela Vasir.

In ME3, both are essentially watched/hunted by a recently appointed Spectre.

[CptData]

There are similarities, but also differences between Shepard and Saren.

1. Shepard doesn't build up an army, but a team.
2. Shepard's team follows him freely - there is no indoctrination present.
3. Liara isn't really like her mother. Nevertheless, as the new Shadow Broker, she's a powerful ally.
4. Shepard killed a Spectre like Saren, but Saren betrayed a friend (murder), Shepard fought openly.
5. Shepard's ship is not a Reaper. There is also no active Reaper-tech in SR1 or SR2

Still, it IS possible Shepard will fail at some point. Not all endings will be satisfying - possible one ends with a mad / evil Shepard ...

[Ashwraith]

A twist of irony, you say?
...
Huh.

I could have sworn it tasted of lemon. >.>

[redbaron76]

And there is also a big difference you forgot to mention. Saren planned to save trillions by turning them into slaves of reapers, while shepard is willing to sacrifice systems and team mates to ensure that current status quo is perserved in the galaxy all the spicies are free and not slaves.

[Blooddrunk1004]

I don't get it, do you want Shepard to be indoctrinated or just more evil?
Considering all your choices and dialogue you are able too do as Renegade makes Saren "saint" compared too Shepard.

[AdmiralCheez]

Yes, those similarities are delicious, aren't they?

While I don't think Shep's going to go all-out ebul indoctriminated an' stuff, I believe the similarities between her and Mr. Arterius play a role in the public's poor perception of her. I also think that at one point or another Shep's going to do something she thinks is for the good of the galaxy, but winds up being very bad for it.

And, yes, indoctrination will probably be an issue.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Yes, those similarities are delicious, aren't they?

While I don't think Shep's going to go all-out ebul indoctriminated an' stuff, I believe the similarities between her and Mr. Arterius play a role in the public's poor perception of her. I also think that at one point or another Shep's going to do something she thinks is for the good of the galaxy, but winds up being very bad for it.

And, yes, indoctrination will probably be an issue.

I would like if we had one of our squadmates (preferably the VS) make a comment about it.

[EternalSea]

Ah, perhaps something similar to Saren/Nihlus confrontation with Shepard and the VI?

Modifié par EternalSea, 01 octobre 2011 - 05:21 .

[AdmiralCheez]

EternalSea wrote...

Ah, perhaps something similar to Saren/Nihlus confrontation with Shepard and the VI?

Hopefully without the shooting.  I already lost one of 'em to a plot event.

[MACharlie1]

CptData wrote...

There are similarities, but also differences between Shepard and Saren.

1. Shepard doesn't build up an army, but a team.
2. Shepard's team follows him freely - there is no indoctrination present.
3. Liara isn't really like her mother. Nevertheless, as the new Shadow Broker, she's a powerful ally.
4. Shepard killed a Spectre like Saren, but Saren betrayed a friend (murder), Shepard fought openly.
5. Shepard's ship is not a Reaper. There is also no active Reaper-tech in SR1 or SR2

Still, it IS possible Shepard will fail at some point. Not all endings will be satisfying - possible one ends with a mad / evil Shepard ...

1. A team. A team that the Council sees as terrorist organizing against them since they are backed and funded by a known terrorist organization.
2. ...as far as we know. But point merited for now. But do keep in mind a lot of Saren's followers weren't actually indoctrinated but just plain pissed scared of him. Rana? The only followers of Saren were Geth and Benezia + followers. Even then, they didn't join up because of indoctrination that is just what happened. 
3. "Have you ever faced an asari commando unit before? Few humans have..." Yeah she's turning into mom.
4. How will the Council view this? The Council will believe exactly what Tela wanted them to believe - that a Spectre betrayed the Council to Cerberus - blew up the trade center and killed an acting Spectre. They aren't going to know the connection nor do they care. 
5. EDI. Reaper blackbox tech with a Reaper IFF. BAM. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 01 octobre 2011 - 06:46 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Shepard will save trillions of lives. But Cerberus had to get in his way, they would doom us all and for that they must die.

[theheadstrong11]

In literature we have a term for this: it's called a foil.

http://en.wikipedia....oil_(literature)

Yay for edumacation.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I already feel shep is like Saren he is more cyborg then organic, both came back from the dead, both are forming alliances with species the council is not keen on krogan, rachni, ect. Saren and shep's lives as of ME2 are running on parallel tracks and now per arrival it seems shep is beginning to show signs of indoctrination. I want to question what tech went into him for the Lproject and receive a data cache on the subject, also if people start making the same assumption in game I won't be surprised the line between savior and threat are getting rather blurry.

Modifié par Destroy Raiden , 03 octobre 2011 - 12:58 .

[Knight of Dane]

Hopefully it will be up to the player if shep goes nuts.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 03 octobre 2011 - 02:05 .