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[Varen Spectre]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
However take me2 or the me3 vids it's remarkably closer to the fps genre shooter mechanics then it was before.  They even admitted that was the goal for me2 in a interview.  And in ME3 they've been going on and on about combat.

It's moving closer and closer to being a shooter first and everything else second...

Mmm, I am not sure if I understand you correctly, but I have feeling as if your last sentence kind of implied that some things that were in Mass Effect 2, might be further changed or sacrified in order to a promote shooter aspect of gameplay even further at the expense of non-shooter elements... Am I interpreting you correctly?

If so, I would like to ask, what leads you to believe that developing and improving combat elements would harm non-combat aspects of the game?

If you are not implying this by your post, then I would ask, is that a problem, that developers are improving (or at least changing) combat elements and are trying to make them more similar to other games (well-established FPS or action TPS elemets and mechanics)?

Modifié par Varen Spectre, 05 octobre 2011 - 01:10 .

[javierabegazo]

Pff, thanks alot IsaacShep, now I've got to run down to my market and grab some icecream.

[shep82]

IsaacShep wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

What gameplay have you seen or is hinted at that makes it anything else ?

The list I compiled with all the returning ME1 elements. Elements from a game you said felt less like a shooter. By pure logic, it means ME3 will feel less like a shooter-only game than ME2 did.

Analogy:

chocolate - RPG
vanilla - shooter
ice cream - Mass Effect

Mass Effect 1 = chocolate vanilla ice cream
Mass Effect 2 = vanilla ice cream with only some chocolate (much was removed)
Mass Effect 3 based on what we know and is hinted at & promised/announced = vanilla ice cream with tons of cholocate back

If vanilla ice cream gets tons of chocolate back, it cannot logically feel even more like pure-vanilla ice = if ME3 gets tons of ME1 elements back, it cannot logically feel even more like pure-shooter like you said it will be.

I agree. While I loved and still do prefer ME2 over ME 1 they took away too much they are fixing that in ME3. I fail to see his point that ME 3 will suck as he claims.

[shepskisaac]

javierabegazo wrote...

Pff, thanks alot IsaacShep, now I've got to run down to my market and grab some icecream.

You will thank me when you taste it and feel how good it is and how worth running down to your market was 

[DarkDragon777]

IsaacShep wrote...

javierabegazo wrote...

Pff, thanks alot IsaacShep, now I've got to run down to my market and grab some icecream.

You will thank me when you taste it and feel how good it is and how worth running down to your market was 

O_O

Modifié par DarkDragon777, 05 octobre 2011 - 01:13 .

[TheGreenAlloy]

Cancer Puppet wrote...

Are we really still getting whipped up into a frenzy over xbox 360 world? I won't go so far as to call it worthless, but it teases things on the cover that turn out to be nothing. A lot.

Watch this "killer new feature" be the friggin' omni-blade, or something else we already know about, or another unsubstatiated rumor.

I'll wait to see what the content of this article is, then wait for bioware to confirm, before I get excited about anything to do with this magazine.

I'll stick to this line of thought. X360W are journalists, then they are fans of the series,

[Selene Moonsong]

Gatt9 wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

There has been no mention by the Developers that ME 3 will be a MP game. The so-called evidence people are presenting as 'proof' is just a vague as the no comments you will get from a Developer.

From the evidence I have seen presented, the only conclusion I can come to is a possibility that somewhere in the future there could be multi-player capabilities, such as in DLC, but I see no direct proof that ME 3 will be anything more than a SP game, just like ME and ME 2.

1. They had 3 projects in development, Star Wars, DA2, and ME3, when they were hiring a multiplayer dev. Star Wars has no need of such a person since it's built in. DA2 didn't have multiplayer. So that leaves only one option.

Erm... Let's see, new DLC for the Dragon Age series and possible rumors of DLC for the ME series. These are projects as well. All you really know with any certainty at this point are the projects they are currently discussing a little at a time. You have no information concerning anything else they are working on otherwise. And BioWare worked on things none of us had knowledge of until much later. No developer is going to discuss project plans publicly until they are ready to announce a given project.

At any rate, time will reveal what is or isn't going to happen, I simply disagree with your assertion that ME 3 will be a MP game as the 'facts' presented as 'proof' so far are not necessarily supportive of your assumptions.

2. They were hiring QA specifically for multiplayer a couple weeks ago. They have only one game in a development stage that would require QA just for multiplayer.

I'm really not sure why anyone is still doubting this. It's just process of elimination.

Again, they have only have projects going that we 'know' of, that does not mean BioWare does not have other things in the works that we don't know about. From my understanding, and I have been following pre-release forums for over 6 years now, Developers can be quite closed about what they are working. For all we know, if a DA III project is in the works, the MP QA team could be for that project.

BioWare is experienced in creating games designed for MP and that it is essential that the MP functionality needs to be built-in early on to be tested along with with the rest as a prototype to determine feasability for a project and what would be needed to make it work as intended during the various design phases.

There is plenty of reason to be hiring MP QA testing management staff that are not necessarily associated with the ME 3 core game project. Odds favor that it be another project, whether as ME 3 DLC or for another project.

At this point, we will just have to agree to disagree and move on.

[The Love Runner]

If it's not multiplayer in ME3, then it has to be a seperate Mass Effect multiplayer project related to either the franchise or Bioware. Just look at what has been done so far:

A seperate multiplayer Batman game will be released shortly after Arkham City

EA offered early access to the Battlefield 3 Multiplayer Beta with purchase of the Limited Edition of Medal of Honor

EA marketed Battlefield 1943 ever since it was released, including it with the Ultimate Edition of Battlefield Bad Company 2 and it will also be included on-disc when Battlefield 3 comes out.

There are other examples as well, so the structure of a promotional tie-in to another project is also a possibility.

Modifié par Galactic Runner, 05 octobre 2011 - 02:31 .

[shepskisaac]

Selene Moonsong wrote...

For all we know, if a DA III project is in the works, the MP QA team could be for that project.

We know more than that. They were hiring for MP in Mass Effect franchise since at least summer 2010

[rallyfan]

Have you people forgot about " secret feature X " that has been confirmed not to be multiplayer?
Thats what I think is going to be announced. As of what it could be, I really dont know.

[1136342t54_]

rallyfan wrote...

Have you people forgot about " secret feature X " that has been confirmed not to be multiplayer?
Thats what I think is going to be announced. As of what it could be, I really dont know.

I really want to say its modding but its very unlikely.

[shep82]

IsaacShep wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

For all we know, if a DA III project is in the works, the MP QA team could be for that project.

We know more than that. They were hiring for MP in Mass Effect franchise since at least summer 2010

Forgot about that. Well if it is MP I have faith that it wont ruin the core game.

[Chala]

IsaacShep wrote...

Selene Moonsong wrote...

For all we know, if a DA III project is in the works, the MP QA team could be for that project.

We know more than that. They were hiring for MP in Mass Effect franchise since at least summer 2010

Yes but "ME franchise" is a too vague term, it could mean ME3 or an entirely new game...

[shepskisaac]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Yes but "ME franchise" is a too vague term, it could mean ME3 or an entirely new game...

Of course, my point was just that it was not for DA3 or any other BioWare project outside ME universe

[Kaiser Shepard]

There's also an opening for a "Senior Tester - Online Specialist" up right now, which also fits with the multiplayer project indeed being part of ME3.

Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 05 octobre 2011 - 04:37 .

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

From what Chris said earlier, and everything else, my money's on cooperative multiplayer. Yeah I know what Chris said was meant to be totally vague, but I'm from the future. And the cooperative multiplayer is awesome. We're still playing it in 2019.

[shepskisaac]

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

From what Chris said earlier, and everything else, my money's on cooperative multiplayer. Yeah I know what Chris said was meant to be totally vague, but I'm from the future. And the cooperative multiplayer is awesome. We're still playing it in 2019.

EA's wet dream

[littlezack]

IsaacShep wrote...

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

From what Chris said earlier, and everything else, my money's on cooperative multiplayer. Yeah I know what Chris said was meant to be totally vague, but I'm from the future. And the cooperative multiplayer is awesome. We're still playing it in 2019.

EA's wet dream

Make that the wet dream of every developer ever. Who wouldn't want people playing for that long?

[Nayt Navare]

littlezack wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

From what Chris said earlier, and everything else, my money's on cooperative multiplayer. Yeah I know what Chris said was meant to be totally vague, but I'm from the future. And the cooperative multiplayer is awesome. We're still playing it in 2019.

EA's wet dream

Make that the wet dream of every developer ever. Who wouldn't want people playing for that long?

Anyone who wants to capitalize on profit from a sequel?  IE Capcom, Microsofft, Ubisoft, Activision.. But who am I to count? 

[Illiandri]

What do we know of the multiplayer, even if there is multiplayer? NOTHING! I seriously doubt it would be a deathmatch style MP but more likely something closer to L4D and Dead Space 2. Team of people trying to survive in a X situation, each one a different class. Or it could be campaign co-op just like NWN. If I could play as Garrus Motherfrakkin Vakarian, even if I had no control over the decisions, I would be a happy chappy. ME3 is about survival and who better to fight for it than with your friends?

I honestly ask people here that if given the opportunity to play the campaign with two good friends or two fellow ME mellow fans would they be pissed off? The ability to replace a OK VI with humans, the best AI out there!???!

Also it is true that ME1 was not like a shooter, it was like a crap shooter. Did people honestly enjoy the "press button till everything dies" gameplay of later levels? I was angry that they overly streamlined the experience in ME2 but I rather prefer that than the bad shooter mechanics of ME1. I want a challenge with my story.

Modifié par Illiandri, 05 octobre 2011 - 05:44 .

[cindercatz]

Personally, if it's multiplayer, I much prefer a side scenario, light on story, along the lines of L4D, like you mentioned, and I don't mind a kind of team deathmatch. That could make sense in the story, if it's done like AC:B, except you create your own soldiers. I don't want anybody chatting with me as I'm right in the middle of the story, or chatting up my artificial LI. lol It takes me out of the fiction. Y'know? I'll play it myself and then talk about it.. I think I chatted retroactively about it all the way through my first playthrough of ME1, with a buddy over XBL. But I don't want co-op campaign.

[Chala]

IsaacShep wrote...

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

Yes but "ME franchise" is a too vague term, it could mean ME3 or an entirely new game...

Of course, my point was just that it was not for DA3 or any other BioWare project outside ME universe

Yep, sorry I misread a few things...
Sometimes I get lazy when I'm interpreting what I read 

[whywhywhywhy]

Varen Spectre wrote...
Mmm, I am not sure if I understand you correctly, but I have feeling as if your last sentence kind of implied that some things that were in Mass Effect 2, might be further changed or sacrified in order to a promote shooter aspect of gameplay even further at the expense of non-shooter elements... Am I interpreting you correctly?

I don't understand how this escapes everyone unless it's somewhat intentional.  I was laying out my reasoning as to why I think Multiplayer is coming based on the trend of game play changes and obvious developer focus.  That's what the post was about but certain spinsters always try to take focus away from the topic at hand. 

So I'll plainly state my full view: I think multiplayer is going to be added to the ME series.  I feel all of the leaks are litmus tests to gauge player reaction which if isn't too severe will green light MP on release.  If players are negative and very vocal about the inclusion of MP I imagine that it'll be released as DLC either way I feel it's coming.

Varen Spectre wrote...
If so, I would like to ask, what leads you to believe that developing and improving combat elements would harm non-combat aspects of the game?

I keep repeating things over and over becuse I'm asked the same questions.  I'm sorry your post had the tone of genuine inquiries and curiosity but I'm tired of repeating answers.

Varen Spectre wrote...
If you are not implying this by your post, then I would ask, is that a problem, that developers are improving (or at least changing) combat elements and are trying to make them more similar to other games (well-established FPS or action TPS elemets and mechanics)?

Nothing was implied what I said was very direct.

[whywhywhywhy]

IsaacShep wrote...
The list I compiled with all the returning ME1 elements. Elements from a game you said felt less like a shooter.

A few were speculation.  Almost all the rest were combat changes.  The list proved nothing.

IsaacShep wrote...
By pure logic, it means ME3 will feel less like a shooter-only game than ME2 did.

If your list had features that actually changed something, but they didn't.

IsaacShep wrote...
Mass Effect 1 = chocolate vanilla ice cream
Mass Effect 2 = vanilla ice cream with only some chocolate (much was removed)
Mass Effect 3 based on what we know and is hinted at & promised/announced = vanilla ice cream with tons of cholocate back

Your problem is you haven't listed the "ton of chocolate."

IsaacShep wrote...
If vanilla ice cream gets tons of chocolate back, it cannot logically feel even more like pure-vanilla ice = if ME3 gets tons of ME1 elements back, it cannot logically feel even more like pure-shooter like you said it will be.

Again your operated under the premise your list accomplished something, it didn't.

- weapon mods are coming back -combat related
- leveling system is getting expanded with multiple power evolutions -irrelevant
- larger skill trees -normal in any sequel, tied into combat.
- quadrilions powers -irrelevant, tied to combat
- level cap back to 60 -irrelevant
- expanded economy -depends on implementation
- more loot -depends on implementation
-granades are back -combat related
- squad weapon & armor customization -woot!  That's one!
- greater variety of weapons & armors -combat related
- XP system's going back to ME1, no more mission summary screens -irrelevant
- mission debrieefings are coming back -irrelevant
- party banter will be back and possibly bigger than ever -irrelevant
- bigger, more open & varied levels (including the Presidium on the Citadel) - Player traveled area or backdrop ?
- smaller squad to allow greater interaction -Not a plus that's a negative
- greater exploration & traversal (vehicle planet exploration also possibly back) -speculation/unconfirmed

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 05 octobre 2011 - 04:58 .

[Azbeszt]

double

Modifié par Azbeszt, 05 octobre 2011 - 05:02 .