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[Ekardt]

Pseron Wyrd wrote...

ddevil459 wrote...
...Shivering Isles for Oblivion...

And what did Bethesda release before Shivering Isles? Nine DLCs.

This is not an either/or matter.  Bioware can release both DLCs and expansions, just as Bethesda did.

This.

I think people need to get the sand out of their vaginas.
Also, the fine print on the Stone Prisoner card says the code expires April 30th, 2010.

Anyone with the audacity to try and claim Shale costs 15 dollars is either: trolling, stupid enough to buy the DLC before looking in their game box while still ignoring the first line of the DLC description, or stupid enough to buy the game used.

Modifié par Ekardt, 22 novembre 2009 - 09:45 .

[Ganondorf2002]

I am glad that they are making dlc and the pricing isn't bad either. Maybe 6-12 months down the road the price will lower, who knows. I would also like to see expansions available and I would get them as well. Thirdly I hope to see players take an interest in modding the game. Developing a story line in itself.

[Zibon]

Inarai wrote...

aberdash wrote...

I specifically said the dlc that has been announced thus far.

Clever.  I'll amend the number - you're still 225% out, as you still cannot count Shale.

Yes you can, because they themselves say that The Stone Prisoner is a $15 value.  And the VALUE is exactly what was being discussed.

[Ekardt]

Zibon wrote...

Inarai wrote...

aberdash wrote...

I specifically said the dlc that has been announced thus far.

Clever.  I'll amend the number - you're still 225% out, as you still cannot count Shale.

Yes you can, because they themselves say that The Stone Prisoner is a $15 value.  And the VALUE is exactly what was being discussed.

Theyve said numerous times that the reason Shale is 15 dollars is to: A) Encourage people to buy the game new, and Actually make SOME money off of the used sales, because EB games gets 100% of a used sales profits, not a dime goes to the developer or the publisher.

[Georg Zoeller]

Actually, we say 'Shale has a 15$ value, but we're giving it to first time buyers for free'. And let's be clear here, shale is an expensive piece of content - voice acting for interacting with every follower and many plots in the game is not cheap, neither is the other content tied to him.



Anyway, everything I had to say on the original topic has been said. I'll leave people to their conspiracy theories for now.

[Rayne Myria Solo]

aberdash wrote...

Rayne Myria Solo wrote...

it doesn't "cost $27" you're making a logically flawed statement. At this moment DLC costs $7. IF you include the upcoming Return to Ostagar, then DLC costs $12. Making false disingenuous statements about the costs of DLC is...well, pointless. It cost me almost that much to go to Q'Doba and get chips and queso with my lunch, and I had a free entree!

As of April 10th, I think, shale is no longer free. And I assume return to ostagar will be out by then making it $27 if you want all the dlc.

correction: April 30th, dont know where 10th came from.

Which is, as Georg pointed out, not now. That's months from now, and as he also pointed out, there could be bundles, sales, new store 'releases" with these codes in them, all sorts of things, much like the "Edge" dagger is being offered to people who buy the game now as opposed to the pre-order items we were all offered, so it is still a disingenuous statement to say that DLC costs $27 dollars, because it does not at this time.

[Inarai]

Zibon wrote...

Inarai wrote...

aberdash wrote...

I specifically said the dlc that has been announced thus far.

Clever.  I'll amend the number - you're still 225% out, as you still cannot count Shale.

Yes you can, because they themselves say that The Stone Prisoner is a $15 value.  And the VALUE is exactly what was being discussed.

Well, that's people's own judgement to make.  I'd say it is - an additional character, completely different from all the rest, with his own talents, VO's, party interactions, storyline, etc...  That's huge.

But still not relevant, his argument doesn't go to value, it goes to cost - which Shale does not represent, and thus cannot be included.

[Zethryn]

aberdash wrote...

Inarai wrote...

Clever.  I'll amend the number - you're still 225% out, as you still cannot count Shale.

As of May 1st it cost $15.

Are you completely ignoring Georg? He has stated 3 times that by that time the game itself and the DLC prices may change. Since the prices may change arguing that it will cost $15 then is moot since it may not.For some reason though I feel like you are just going to ignore this post too though.

[Maria Caliban]

Zibon wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

DLC is a distribution method.

An expansion is just an addition to gameplay that is considered 'large enough' by fans.

Bioware has already said that it’s going to make expansions for the game… and that they’ll be available via DLC.

No, digital distribution is a distribution method.

By your definition DAO itself would be DLC.

DA:O is DLC if you bought it that way.

[Ekardt]

Maria you make me lol. Because its oh so trew.

EDIT: Actually, youre alot like Sten come to think of it.

Modifié par Ekardt, 22 novembre 2009 - 09:59 .

[Rayne Myria Solo]

LostSoulsOfWoe wrote...

Are you completely ignoring Georg? He has stated 3 times that by that time the game itself and the DLC prices may change. Since the prices may change arguing that it will cost $15 then is moot since it may not.For some reason though I feel like you are just going to ignore this post too though.

He is indeed completely ignoring Georg? And yes, he is going to completely ignore that post, because like 90% of everyone else on the Internets, he has an agenda to push, and he'll be damned if he stops until everyone has heard it 5 times over, and if that doesn't work, he'll start trolling and telling Bioware they're EA sellouts. *sits back with popcorn to watch this from here, having said all she needs to say and bowed out*

[Inarai]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Zibon wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

DLC is a distribution method.

An expansion is just an addition to gameplay that is considered 'large enough' by fans.

Bioware has already said that it’s going to make expansions for the game… and that they’ll be available via DLC.

No, digital distribution is a distribution method.

By your definition DAO itself would be DLC.

DA:O is DLC if you bought it that way.

No, it is a game purchased via digital distribution.

DLC is additional content for a game, and uses digital distribution as it's primary means of distribution.

[Rayne Myria Solo]

Maria Caliban wrote...


DA:O is DLC if you bought it that way.

*gives Maria one Internets*

You win this, please take good care of it, it's very fragile. Yes, I bought DAO as one massive DLC from Direct2Drive.

[KalosCast]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Zibon wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

DLC is a distribution method.

An expansion is just an addition to gameplay that is considered 'large enough' by fans.

Bioware has already said that it’s going to make expansions for the game… and that they’ll be available via DLC.

No, digital distribution is a distribution method.

By your definition DAO itself would be DLC.

DA:O is DLC if you bought it that way.

Shivering Isles, which everybody is calling an expansion pack was rated the best DLC of the year by most gaming media when it came out, so I feel that the distinction is wholly subjective. Not to mention I've heard Knights of the Nine called both a DLC quest chain and an expansion pack. Interestingly, these were also the only two Oblivion supplements with any content.

[Zethryn]

Rayne Myria Solo wrote...

LostSoulsOfWoe wrote...

Are you completely ignoring Georg? He has stated 3 times that by that time the game itself and the DLC prices may change. Since the prices may change arguing that it will cost $15 then is moot since it may not.For some reason though I feel like you are just going to ignore this post too though.

He is indeed completely ignoring Georg? And yes, he is going to completely ignore that post, because like 90% of everyone else on the Internets, he has an agenda to push, and he'll be damned if he stops until everyone has heard it 5 times over, and if that doesn't work, he'll start trolling and telling Bioware they're EA sellouts. *sits back with popcorn to watch this from here, having said all she needs to say and bowed out*

Hand me some, I don't feel like arguing with him. 

[Ekardt]

Inarai wrote...


No, it is a game purchased via digital distribution.

DLC is additional content for a game, and uses digital distribution as it's primary means of distribution.

Its interactive content that you downloaded. Its DLC.

[Shar888]

I'd like to say thanks to Georg for the insight into how expansions are typically decided, I'd like to think DA:O will sell more than enough copies to be called successful!

[Inarai]

Ekardt wrote...

Inarai wrote...


No, it is a game purchased via digital distribution.

DLC is additional content for a game, and uses digital distribution as it's primary means of distribution.

Its interactive content that you downloaded. Its DLC.

Content requires a platform, IE, the game.

It's an entirely semantic distinction, mind you, but useful if you're actually going to discuss the subject of DLC.

[Rayne Myria Solo]

I honestly think some of the problem is, this whole thing is very similar to an MMO pricing model, just that it's cheaper. Even if Bioware puts out $7 DLC every month, it's still half the price of any modern MMO subscription (and IMO you get more for your MMO sub than you would if Bioware did this). Theoretically Bioware could make Dragon Age 2 RIGHT NOW, they could also release 10 pieces of well thought out, detailed DLC for $7 each other the next 2 years, and it would cost the same as I paid for DAO ($70, DDE Direct2Drive Preorder) and it would "basically" be DA2. Or they could do that AND be working on DA2, ME3, etc, and that would be even better. I remember when I too was upset by MMO subscriptions and DLC, and I didn't like movies being downloadable on itunes, I didn't like "subscriptions" of any kind, beyond a magazine, but..the world keeps turning. In the immortal words of the great Bob Dylan, "The times, they are a changin'".

[Rayne Myria Solo]

Shar888 wrote...

I'd like to say thanks to Georg for the insight into how expansions are typically decided, I'd like to think DA:O will sell more than enough copies to be called successful!

I'm almost positive it aleady has. It went gold/platinum, something like that in 2-3 days, so I've heard, if that's the case it's beaten almost every major release recently. I can't wait to see ME2 and DAO "compete" with one another (read: everbody wins, buy both!).

[Zibon]

Inarai wrote...

Well, that's people's own judgement to make. I'd say it is - an additional character, completely different from all the rest, with his own talents, VO's, party interactions, storyline, etc... That's huge.

But still not relevant, his argument doesn't go to value, it goes to cost - which Shale does not represent, and thus cannot be included.

Just because something is free or reduced cost doesn't mean it loses value. Yes there's a lot of stuff that had to be done for Shale, and I appreciate that, but because of this you also can't doubt that it would (and does if you buy the game used) cost $15 if it weren't free.

Of the DLC announced thus far shale is $15, wardens keep is $7, and return to ostagar is $5. Thats $27, half the price of an expansion. Do you see half the content of an expansion?

This is directly addressing the value (or cost/content) of dlc vs the value of an expansion (typically $25-$40)

Modifié par Zibon, 22 novembre 2009 - 10:12 .

[Evindale]

*cheers for rayne* I agree, roll on ME2 (huge ME1 fangirl ) i'll be shut up in the house playing DA:O till then, with any expansions just making my love for bioware grow.

[Maria Caliban]

DM Veil wrote...

I've never seen such panic before among consumers.

You think this is panic? "EA bought BioWare."

Inarai wrote...

No, it is a game purchased via digital distribution.

DLC is additional content for a game, and uses digital distribution as it's primary means of distribution.

Okay, let's say you're correct; DLC is additional content for a game but not the original game.

My point was that BioWare has said it plans to release an expansion as DLC, so the argument that DLC means no expansion is somewhat problematic.

An expansion is just enough new content that consumers call it an expansion. DLC or bought from retail doesn't matter.