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[JeffZero]

I definitely agree with the assessment that they're all good.

[Jenova65]

JeffZero wrote...

I definitely agree with the assessment that they're all good.

Yeah, me too, I think people just need to realise that they are made to appeal across the board and if you aren't fond of someone it doesn't mean they are a bad character, they just weren't made *for you* 
As my mum always used to say ''It wouldn't do for us all to be alike'' 
We'd all be fighting over the same thing, otherwise  Same bit of land, same bloke, same woman and so on... 

[Aslanasadi]

Jenova65 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I definitely agree with the assessment that they're all good.

Yeah, me too, I think people just need to realise that they are made to appeal across the board and if you aren't fond of someone it doesn't mean they are a bad character, they just weren't made *for you* 
As my mum always used to say ''It wouldn't do for us all to be alike'' 
We'd all be fighting over the same thing, otherwise  Same bit of land, same bloke, same woman and so on... 

I agree with assessment and with Jen.

[Porenferser]

1. Zaeed. I know I'm quite alone with this, but he is just the most awesome guy for me. So freaking cool, but at the same moment very *human*.

2. Samara. Very, very interesting. Best woman so far.

3. Wrex. Coolest krogan ever. And some brain too.

4. Kaidan. Very good character. And I'm a guy:P Don't get why everyone hates him.

5. Mordin. How can't you like him?^^

6. Legion. Changed the opinion of a whole race. And is pretty funny/cool.

7. Jacob. Good Guy. Also, don't quite get the hate here.

8. Thane. Really good character, but I don't like his design and his romance.

9. Garrus. Badass in ME1, but boring in ME2. Stupid callibrations:sick:

10. Miranda. Better then the rest of the women (except for Samara), but not great either.

11. Liara. Was ok in ME1, but her character change sucked.

12. Jack. Annoying. Bad written.

13. Kasumi. Maybe because I liked Zaeed I had wrong exceptions for her. But quite useful in combat.

14. Grunt. Sucks. An overgrown baby with nothing in his head. Wrex >>>>>>> Grunt

15. Tali. I just dislike her to no end. Though not as much as her fanboys^^

16. Morinth. Very, very forced character.

17. Ashley. Pure hate. In every way. I hate the way she talks, she thinks, her general behaviour. And she looks ugly. I wouldn't touch her for 1000000 Dollars.

Modifié par Porenferser, 03 octobre 2011 - 10:49 .

[Quole]

Samara is the dumbest, most pointless, and most boring character in the series. She was basically just there to substitute Liara, who was the better character.

Modifié par Quole, 03 octobre 2011 - 12:15 .

[Quole]

Arcian wrote...

alex90c wrote...

What's wrong with ME2 Tali? I found the ME1 version awfully boring whereas she actually got a personality in ME2.

She was written to be more important than she really is (and should be). A character doesn't need to be a freaking ethnic princess to justify her role in a fictional work. Unfortunately, BioWare decided to go that route with Tali.

Her singular purpose in ME1 was to introduce the quarians, and for some reason she couldn't do it as a regular quarian citizen, but had to be the daughter of one of the admirals. Fine. In ME2, she was used solely for fanservice and to act as a bridge so we have a reason to go to the Migrant Fleet and open up the war-vs-peace issue that will come into play in ME3, as a direct result of the dubious background choice made by BioWare in the first game.

In neither of the games, none of the missions involving her actually involves her other than on a peripheral level. Haestrom? It's actually about dark energy build up in the system's sun, and not her. The trial? It's actually about the quarians political troubles, and not her. In other words, they completely wasted her character trying to justify involvement with the quarians.

Not to mention her romance was appallingly cheesy. Love at first sight, BioWare? Really? It's like the can of pyramids in a "knock-down-the-cans-to-win-a-prize"-carnival game knocking down themselves, involving absolutely zero effort and commitment while reaping all the benefits. Not to mention they had to stretch the established lore around quarian health issues pretty damn thin for it to work, which in my book is one of the worst no-go's there is.

Actually they didnt at all. Anyone that knows anything about immunology could tell you that. In fact, they actually made it worse than it really is.

Also, everything you said is entirely opinionated. Just in case you implied otherwise.

Modifié par Quole, 03 octobre 2011 - 12:20 .

[Porenferser]

Quole wrote...

Samara is the dumbest, most pointless, and most boring character in the series. She was basically just there to substitute Liara, who was the better character.

Thats your opinion;)

I can't see anything interesting in Liara at all.

[Quole]

I guess some people can somehow find characters that have no real personality interesting. Samara has less personality than Legion, not to mention she introduces justicars, which are amazingly stupid.

Modifié par Quole, 03 octobre 2011 - 12:28 .

[Porenferser]

And I guess some people just can't stand the opinion of others.

[Quole]

and I guess some people are just retarded.

Modifié par Quole, 03 octobre 2011 - 12:31 .

[CptData]

Okay, I know it's all a matter of taste, but Ashley "ugly"?
Hmm, Liara isn't my type, not a bit, but I wouldn't call her "ugly" in any way. Same for Jack - she's not what I would look for, she has a bad attitude, but wouldn't call her "ugly" or hate her. After all, it's just a game ...
However ... time for another ranking, as soon as I've got some time to think about it.

[Athayniel]

Awesome Tier:
Samara, Mordin, Miranda, Ashley, Tali, Wrex
Great Tier:
Liara, Kasumi, Legion, Grunt, Jack
Hokay Tier:
Garrus, Zaeed, Thane, Kaidan, Morinth
Jacob Tier:
Jacob (shouldn't have told me you were forcing yourself to talk to me, man...)

[Aeowyn]

Tier 1 (in no specific order)
* Wrex
* Garrus
* Jacob
* Kaidan
* Ashley
* Mordin
* Legion

Tier 2
* Zaeed
* Kasumi
* Jack
* Tali

The blah/dislike - list
* Samara
* Thane
* Liara
* Miranda
* Grunt

Probably forgot someone.

[Labrev]

ADLegend21 wrote...

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

poor Jacob :/  people are giving you even less of a chance then they did Kaidan

That would be untrue. I've given every character a chance, and I've been able to find a reason to at least be OK with just about everyone else. My first impression of Jacob was actually pretty solid: nice guy and even kinda cool in his own way, just overshadowed by aliens.

Then I paid more attention and have ever since been left thinking "wow, this guy is really just a straight-up tool."


Sorry, dude is deserving of all the hate he gets. Being a "nice guy" to me, is really not much anything particularly deserving of much respect. But then he's not even really a nice guy, so there goes his one redeeming quality. What are you left with? Security guy who was lucky to be picked up from the Lazarus station.

I actually hate him like a teacher that hates a student who's smart but an underachiever. Jacob definitely could be awesome, but he's woefully far from it.

excuseme, but what Jacob did YOU talk to? The guy saves the council (just like the protagonist), doesn't have  any emotionally scaring "FIX ME" issues, doesn't tolerate BS (tells the Alliance to go stuff itself when they backslide on the reapers) is a great teammate and great squad leader and is the most stable person on the Normandy. How does that deserve hate?

Funny thing, the problems began when I actually did talk to him.

First of all, let's be real honest here. The only reason people throw the word "stable" around so much with Jacob is because of that worthless Shadow Broker dossier. Clearly an attempt to give purpose to the guy who's real reason for being on the Normandy was... being lucky to get picked up off the Lazarus station.

That he's a "nice guy" is not reason enough to be part of the team (TIM specifically put a councilor on board, what more is needed?). And the idea that he's needed on the squad because the rest of the team is crazy is ridiculous. All Jacob does for the rest of the squad is "Welcome to the Normandy, ____ . " Hell, he can't even do that without being a ****** to Thane. So much for being Mr. Nice Guy. Even Miranda stayed civil with debriefing Jack (who actually had reason to be supsicious of).

You're telling me that if it weren't for him standing around the armory, Jack would be going on a biotic rampage through the ship? Sorry Jacob fans, but it's time to stand back and look at the "stablizing" argument for what it is: nonsense.

I'll have to agree to disagree on "great teammate" as well. Calling out Thane because he's a mercenary (well great that's half our team, Jacob, I'd expect the stable one to grasp the idea of putting differences aside), pissing off Tali by defending Cerberus treatment of Veetor, pissing off Jack by defending Cerberus in Teltin (I thought this guy said he was above the questionable things that Cerberus did), voicing unwillingness to stay behind with Garrus on his recruitment, wanting to throw away Legion (even if he was there on the IFF mission to see how he helped) hardly spells out "great teammate" in my mind. Yup, I had a run where I took him most everywhere, so I got a long look at him. I was ultimately unimpressed.

I know the whole story with the Council too. Thing is, that it's needed for TIM to say Jacob is a good soldier, the Shadow Broker stuff, and all that shouldn't have to be said if I can see with my own eyes that he's a good soldier. I can see what a great leader Miranda is without having to be told. What Jacob is "on paper" doesn't match up with what I see of him. That, to me, is the mark of a bad character.

As for the guy that thinks I don't like Jacob because he doesn't present any conflict or is too nice, why is that not a problem for me with Kaidan sitting at #3 on my list?

Sorry, but I've heard it all and am left with the same thing at the end. Jacob is a joke.

Modifié par Hah Yes Reapers, 03 octobre 2011 - 01:42 .

[Chignon]

*Love*
Kaidan
Ashley
Liara
Thane
Zaeed
Miranda

*Like*
Legion
Mordin
Samara
Wrex

*Meh*
Kasumi
Jack
Morinth

*Dislike*
Jacob
Grunt
Tali
Garrus

[Lunare]

1. Garrus
2. Tali
3. Samara
4. Mordin
5. Miranda
6. Jack
7. Liara
8. Kasumi
9. Wrex
10. Thane
11. Grunt
12. Legion
13. Zaeed
14. Ashley
15. Kaidan
1873485. Jacob

[leggywillow]

Keep in mind that I pretty much love all of them (except for the bottom tier, but even then they only inspire feelings of "meh", not really actual dislike).

Top Tier: All-around favorites
Kaidan
Garrus
Miranda

Top-Mid Tier: Interesting characters who are in my A-Team whenever I can bear to leave Garrus or Miranda/Kaidan behind (depending on ME1 or ME2)
Mordin
Legion
Wrex
Ashley
Zaeed
Kasumi
Grunt - Probably belongs in the bottom-mid tier, but he's Shepard's baaaaaaby

Bottom-Mid Tier:
Jack - Love her character but she's pretty useless for me in combat
Liara - Nothing wrong with the character herself, but I've gotten pretty biased against her in a meta sense, since she feels so forced on the player
Jacob - Kinda boring but the brohug entirely makes up for it

Bottom Tier: Meh - boring characters (may or may not be combat-useful)
Thane - Despite having Warp and thus being fairly useful in combat, his voice grates on me (*gasp*) and I dislike his character
Tali - Pretty useless to me in combat and I find her boring otherwise
Samara - Personal dislike for the "warrior monk" archetype.  I also think she and Thane should have been combined into one character.  Combining the two into Thanemara would have made for a more interesting and in-depth character, I feel.

[adneate]

Characters I Love

Liara - The awkward cute characters usually get on my nerves but Liara is so wonderful she manages to shake off her archetype and be the character who I like the best.

Kaidan - He grows on you, a very believeable character and a great officer who can offer an opinion on the action but only if you ask him.

Miranda - Despite some rought spots with the writing of her character I still managed to go from really disliking her to really adoring her as I played the game.

Characters I Like

Mordin - Good writing, Good VA and a nice little arch for his character.

Legion - Although he's essentially just a device so the player can see the other side of the Quarian / Geth war Legion still manages to make quite an impression.

Wrex - Not only is he the biggest instellar badass in Mass Effect he had a great arch and ME1 and the best cameo in ME2.

Kasumi - Even though you can't actually talk to her she manages to feel like a friend of Shepard's and somone who adds a lot of life to the cast. Space Adventures can be fun not just moody and violent.

Characters I'm Indifferent or Conflicted about

Thane - He's alright but I don't really know why he's in this game there's never a use for a sniper in the Suicide Mission so he seems like he's there just because.

Grunt - Another character who's alright but in the larger scheme of things suffers, in this case Grunt just feels like the off-brand version of Wrex. The imitation is just not as good as the real thing . . .

Zaeed - He's fun as a totally over the top action movie character but much like the source material there isn't much substance to him.

Samara - She's okay as what she is a weird monk without much of a personality, but that does make it pretty much impossible to relate to the character.

Ashley - For all the positive elements she has there are a lot of things I really don't like about her, be it odd statments about aliens just make her character confusing or that fact that she spends an inordinate amount of time griping to Shepard about how the Alliance treats her family bad so she has to serve them but they don't promote her and so on . . . there's nothing worse to deal with than a soldier that constantly gripes to those above her.

Character I don't like

Tali - Incredibly dull in both games and somone who's just there because you have to take her.

Garrus - While he was okay in ME1 in ME2 he spent the whole game spinning his tires going over the exact same character arch we already went through in ME1. Which makes him really goddamn boring to deal with.

Jack - None of Jack's character arch seems to have any impact or significance, you finish her loyalty mission and she tells to you F off and doesn't say anything for the rest of the game. She feels like someone lost about 5 pages of her script and they decided it didn't matter and just went with it.

Characters that don't live to see ME3

Jacob - The future's answer to the question nobody asked! The character you have to take because you can't leave him behind and he acts like the second in command because it turned out to be a job that is beneath even the Mess Sergeant. Offering his opinion on everything without asking for it because . . . he thought someone cared? I don't think you could have written a more boring and obnoxious character even if you tried, he has no arch and all the depth of a cardboard cutout.

His total lack of any human emotions leaves be to believe he is either A) A Cylon or A Sociopath, in any event it's best to just get rid of him with a magic biotic space rocket to the face. Only way to be sure.

[Quole]

Arcian wrote...

Quole wrote...

Arcian wrote...

alex90c wrote...

What's wrong with ME2 Tali? I found the ME1 version awfully boring whereas she actually got a personality in ME2.

She was written to be more important than she really is (and should be). A character doesn't need to be a freaking ethnic princess to justify her role in a fictional work. Unfortunately, BioWare decided to go that route with Tali.

Her singular purpose in ME1 was to introduce the quarians, and for some reason she couldn't do it as a regular quarian citizen, but had to be the daughter of one of the admirals. Fine. In ME2, she was used solely for fanservice and to act as a bridge so we have a reason to go to the Migrant Fleet and open up the war-vs-peace issue that will come into play in ME3, as a direct result of the dubious background choice made by BioWare in the first game.

In neither of the games, none of the missions involving her actually involves her other than on a peripheral level. Haestrom? It's actually about dark energy build up in the system's sun, and not her. The trial? It's actually about the quarians political troubles, and not her. In other words, they completely wasted her character trying to justify involvement with the quarians.

Not to mention her romance was appallingly cheesy. Love at first sight, BioWare? Really? It's like the can of pyramids in a "knock-down-the-cans-to-win-a-prize"-carnival game knocking down themselves, involving absolutely zero effort and commitment while reaping all the benefits. Not to mention they had to stretch the established lore around quarian health issues pretty damn thin for it to work, which in my book is one of the worst no-go's there is.

Actually they didnt at all. Anyone that knows anything about immunology could tell you that. In fact, they actually made it worse than it really is.

Applying human immunology to quarians has to be the most retarded thing I have ever heard in my entire life.

Quole wrote...

Also, everything you said is entirely opinionated. Just in case you implied otherwise.

Please whiteknight your purple pixels some more, 'kay?

I sure hope you are joking. It is even stated in the game how their immune systems works. Please educate yourself before you  make retarded accusations. You cant deny it. Troll more plz... Or you are just an idiot. Im betting the latter.
The `risk` factor for the romance was never decreased in ME2. If anything, it was increased from ME1.

I didnt realize I was a "whiteknight" for pointing out someone's stupidity. Now I know.

Modifié par Quole, 03 octobre 2011 - 05:13 .

[Mr.House]

Love:
Liara:
Miri:
Ash:
Kaidan:
Wrex: x 10

Like:
Thane
Samara
Legion
Mordin

Neutral:
Jacob
Jack
Zaeed
Kasumi
Grunt
Garrus

Hate:
Morinth
Tali

[Dave of Canada]

Enjoy:
Mordin, Legion, Wrex, Garrus, Zaeed, Ashley.

Indifferent/Meh:
Kasumi, Miranda, Grunt, Jack, Samara, Morinth, Jacob, Kaidan.

Hate:
Tali, Liara, Thane.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 03 octobre 2011 - 05:38 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

Love:
1. Ashley Williams
2. Thane Krios
3. EDI
4. Legion
5. Wrex
6. Kasumi
7. Mordin Solus

Like:
1. Kaidan Alenko
2. Tali Zorah vas Normandy
3. Miranda Lawson
4. Liara T'Soni
5. Garrus Vakarian

Neutral:
Everyone else.

In other words, I hate no one. Every single one of them is good in their own way. That includes Jacob and Morinth.

Modifié par Fiery Phoenix, 03 octobre 2011 - 05:45 .

[ADLegend21]

Hah Yes Reapers wrote...

Funny thing, the problems began when I actually did talk to him.

First of all, let's be real honest here. The only reason people throw the word "stable" around so much with Jacob is because of that worthless Shadow Broker dossier. Clearly an attempt to give purpose to the guy who's real reason for being on the Normandy was... being lucky to get picked up off the Lazarus station.

That he's a "nice guy" is not reason enough to be part of the team (TIM specifically put a councilor on board, what more is needed?). And the idea that he's needed on the squad because the rest of the team is crazy is ridiculous. All Jacob does for the rest of the squad is "Welcome to the Normandy, ____ . " Hell, he can't even do that without being a ****** to Thane. So much for being Mr. Nice Guy. Even Miranda stayed civil with debriefing Jack (who actually had reason to be supsicious of).

You're telling me that if it weren't for him standing around the armory, Jack would be going on a biotic rampage through the ship? Sorry Jacob fans, but it's time to stand back and look at the "stablizing" argument for what it is: nonsense.

I'll have to agree to disagree on "great teammate" as well. Calling out Thane because he's a mercenary (well great that's half our team, Jacob, I'd expect the stable one to grasp the idea of putting differences aside), pissing off Tali by defending Cerberus treatment of Veetor, pissing off Jack by defending Cerberus in Teltin (I thought this guy said he was above the questionable things that Cerberus did), voicing unwillingness to stay behind with Garrus on his recruitment, wanting to throw away Legion (even if he was there on the IFF mission to see how he helped) hardly spells out "great teammate" in my mind. Yup, I had a run where I took him most everywhere, so I got a long look at him. I was ultimately unimpressed.

I know the whole story with the Council too. Thing is, that it's needed for TIM to say Jacob is a good soldier, the Shadow Broker stuff, and all that shouldn't have to be said if I can see with my own eyes that he's a good soldier. I can see what a great leader Miranda is without having to be told. What Jacob is "on paper" doesn't match up with what I see of him. That, to me, is the mark of a bad character.

As for the guy that thinks I don't like Jacob because he doesn't present any conflict or is too nice, why is that not a problem for me with Kaidan sitting at #3 on my list?

Sorry, but I've heard it all and am left with the same thing at the end. Jacob is a joke.

Stable didn't come from the SB Dossier it came from how quickly he gets over discovering the truth about his father and how he completely cuts off Shepard if he/she tries to "fix him" scathing remarks and all and it STILL doens't ruin his loyalty once it's gained. While Garrus or Tali, or Samara, or Jack will still be talking about their LM well after it's resolved, Jacob's like "eh it's over, I moved in before we even got there." no matter which option you choose (jail, suicide, or leaving him to the hunters)

As for his treatment of the team, he outfits them all for weapons as he's the armory chief, squadmates go straight to his desk for the weapons and armor( and to Mordin for upgrades I think) Yes Thane is an assassin, he's paid to kill people no matter what they've done, i seem to recall him having a game about him where he stops assassin. See the connection? While yes Miranda feigns civility towards Jack, that also ends up in them having a biotic pissing contest in her office after their loyalty missions are done. Does that happen withJacob? Nope. he gets over it once thane becomes a member of the team. And don't even get me STARTED on Tali's reaction towards him. He was nice, he complimented her, offered to get her clearanceto access the ship and she was a **** to him just because of the logo on his chest. He even warne dher about EDI but she took offense to that when it's a PLAIN warning. If she'd done anything and EDI popped up denying her, she'd be like "you could hve warned me!" but no she jsut acts like a little **** toward him for no reason.

Also, the "defending what Cerberus does to veetor" and "defending them on teltin" those are canned lines. EVERYONE that's not Jack says teltin went Rogue, even Kasumi and Zaeed and they're DLC characters. So tht's nothing.

This is the typical human male squadmate reaction, it's happening to vega and we only know that he bea tthe**** out of some Batarians because they attacked him for defending Shepard and that he has PTSD from a mission.  I guaren-damn-tee If Jacob was a turian the fan base would be all over him because he's an exotic alien.

[Svalin]

The Good:
1. Mordin
2. Garrus
3. Legion
Kaidan, Samara, Ashley, Wrex, Thane, Grunt, Jacob, Jack, Tali

The Bad:
1. Miranda (HAT... Sorry, strongly dislike)
2. Liara (So annoying!)

The Ugly:
1. Zaeed

Modifié par Zombiedeer, 03 octobre 2011 - 07:05 .