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[ScotGaymer]

I am not american, so I wouldnt know why Americans find it offensive.

For myself I find it offensive simply because of the connotations it has when you partner it with certain words and in phrases.
People who use it often mean it in an offensive way, and thus it is offensive.

Not really rocket science to me. Calling someone a "flaming ******" isnt likely to be taken or meant as anything other than rude or offensive.

[rapscallioness]

Noooooo. My FemShep would be thoroughly disappointed. She has designs on that lil Tenderoni.

*slurp*

[whywhywhywhy]

Athayniel wrote...

Bioware has already said they will not add a purely homosexual character to ME3 and have no plans to do so in future games. It isn't economically feasible. Making the the LI available to both genders is a much better use of resources.

That's insulting.  So Bioware is adding s/s but won't openly state that homosexuality is in ME3? At least Rockstar had the guts to do so in the dlc for Gta4 so whoever wanted it could buy it, not that I ever would.

[Omega Torsk]

Naw. I already have a Femshep picked out for him.

One more thing:



Why? Redundant thread. There already exists a Vega thread. That's what the mod is going to say.

Modifié par Omega Torsk, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:49 .

[darthnick427]

O_O.......*rubs eyes and double takes*....O_O

Well. This is a first...

Doesn't matter to me, but he'll be Bi or straight. It's just Bioware's style

[Athayniel]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Athayniel wrote...

Bioware has already said they will not add a purely homosexual character to ME3 and have no plans to do so in future games. It isn't economically feasible. Making the the LI available to both genders is a much better use of resources.

That's insulting.  So Bioware is adding s/s but won't openly state that homosexuality is in ME3? At least Rockstar had the guts to do so in the dlc for Gta4 so whoever wanted it could buy it, not that I ever would.

That is not what they're saying. It is perfectly possible to make an LI available to both genders while writing the romances so that from a story point of view the LI is homosexual either way for each particular gender of protagonist. Perhaps my wording was inaccurate. What BioWare won't do is make a character available exclusively for s/s romances.

Modifié par Athayniel, 04 octobre 2011 - 06:50 .

[SandTrout]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Most people are either straight or gay, not bisexual, that's how.

Based exactly on what?

My numbers put bisexual and homosexual at about the same (1.8% and 1.7%, respectively), with a very slight edge toward bisexuals. Unless you count the people who have had some sexual attraction to the same sex or have ever (voluntarily) taken part in a homosexual act as bisexual, which then heavily favors bisexual.

Edited for clarity

Modifié par SandTrout, 04 octobre 2011 - 08:30 .

[diamondedge]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Apart from marketing issues, I don't see why this could not be done, it would be much more convincing and would add depth to the game and coversation. Anyone agree?

Apart from your painfully obvious rebellious stance, I see no reason why this should be done. Bioware isn't silly enough to bow their ideas to few people who believe the game discriminated by not giving them option to hit on guys as male Shepard.

[ElitePinecone]

diamondedge wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Apart from marketing issues, I don't see why this could not be done, it would be much more convincing and would add depth to the game and coversation. Anyone agree?

Apart from your painfully obvious rebellious stance, I see no reason why this should be done. Bioware isn't silly enough to bow their ideas to few people who believe the game discriminated by not giving them option to hit on guys as male Shepard.

o___O



They're either sillier or more astute than you think. 

Regardless of the fact that s/s romances are already in the game, I don't think including solely lesbian or gay NPCs should be obligatory. On paper, or on a forum with unlimited resources, it's a great idea, but Bioware have always stated that an s/s LI available to only one gender isn't something they can do at the moment, given how many people would actually use it. 

They have really precise information on which romance options get attention (for example, they were surprised at the number of male Wardens who romanced Zevran), and clearly the numbers - though not tiny - aren't enough to justify having a male-only gay option or a female-only lesbian option. At least for the moment, game development costs being as they are. 

That's a realistic position, it's a reasonable position, and it's not really something I have a problem with. It'd be nice to have some solely gay or lesbian characters, sure, but Bioware are pioneers in the industry for doing anything at all. So, yes, the new LIs (and perhaps some old ones) will be 'bisexual' - disguised with gender-specific writing that perhaps doesn't mention their other attraction - and it'll be at least a step up from nothing. 

[diamondedge]

^^ I'm aware of that. The option is/will be there, my post was to point out that Bioware isn't going to start giving an all out gay interests in spirit of redeeming themselves for not making gay romance possible in the past, as some people seem to suggest, or demand, even.

[ElitePinecone]

diamondedge wrote...

^^ I'm aware of that. The option is/will be there, my post was to point out that Bioware isn't going to start giving an all out gay interests in spirit of redeeming themselves for not making gay romance possible in the past, as some people seem to suggest, or demand, even.

Sure, and they shouldn't have to. I can't (and won't) speak for anyone but myself, but I'd rather be grateful that the option is in there at all than press for something that's already been ruled out in the past. If it makes sense to Bioware to one day make an all gay or all lesbian NPC then they'll do it then, on their own terms, and not because someone's suggesting it (let alone demanding it) on a forum. 

[Zkyire]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Wow, what a totally new conversation that hasn't been already discussed ever.

Funny
how the OP, a man(?) who likes women, wants Vega to be "gay and only
gay". If you're not into the boys, what difference does it make if Vega
is gay, straight, or bisexual? Do we even know for certain that Vega is
even romanceable? Has BioWare said "yes, you can get with the Vega
lovin'" definitively?

Sorry Sian but you have surprised me here.

Why do you have a problem with a heterosexual guy being tolerant, wanting more diverse content?

FoxHound109 wrote...


Kinsey studies are beyond flawed. They should never be taken into account.

Im sorry are you a psychologist?

Last I checked most psychologists in the world accept Kinsey's conclusions about sexuality as a pretty accurate. If anything most of them reckon his scale doesnt go far enough and isnt "fine tuned" enough.

Sorry but unless you can back that up, I can only believe that you are wrong and dont know what you are talking about.

Okay, I actually agree with the studies, and your posts thus far, but, you are not a psychologist, and yet you are using Kinsey's findings as "evidence" that you're right, and yet when someone disagrees with you you're saying they have no grounds to disagree because they're not psychologists?

I'm studying Sociology and Criminology, and we're told time and time again that the social sciences are NOT 100% fact.

[Zkyire]

As for Vega, why not?

He's a new character so he's not been previously established as heterosexual, bisexual, homosexual, asexual or whatever, so he can be whatever the writers want him to be.

[Zkyire]

hhh89 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

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What is the point of that?

Yeah seriously.

Though if you look at his (deformed) ass, you can see the head of a spider and it's mandibles.

..or maybe that's my mind trying desperately not to brain-vomit.

[SnowHeart1]

Would I like it? Sure. I do know a few men who identify as bi, but most (that I know) say they're either straight or gay without much ambiguity. Women are a different story. So, like Stardusk, I'd find it a little more "believable" (not quite the right word) based only on my own experience. Will it happen? I highly doubt it, for all of the marketing and business resources reasons previously discussed. If he's available for s/s romances at all, I'd bet it will be as a player-sexual (in other words, "bi") character.

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:04 .

[FoxHound109]

rapscallioness wrote...

Noooooo. My FemShep would be thoroughly disappointed. She has designs on that lil Tenderoni.

*slurp*

LOL@ Calling hem a "Tenderoni."

[jamesp81]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...
it would be much more convincing

Er, how?

Most people are either straight or gay, not bisexual, that's how.

That's actually blatantly wrong.

According to a lifetime of studies made by Dr Kinsey most people "appear" straight and are "bisexual" in that he reckoned sexuality lay on a scale of 0 to 6 (0 being 100% straight and 6 being 100% gay) and around 10% of people were 0 and around 10% of people were 6.
Most people fall somewhere between he believed; so in actual fact most people are "bisexual" but may not identify as such.

I've never been terribly impressed by Kinsey.  I never found his results all that convincing, to be honest.

[jamesp81]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...


No, they don't. You're actually incorrect here. They do not accept his studies in the sense you think they are. They accept them as "interesting" but not as factual or flawless. Kinsey's studies are flawed because his survey questions were poorly worded and the sample he used was not broad enough. 

Mind you, I'm NOT disagreeing with you about bisexuality being the most prevalent. I have no problem with that view (I agree with it, in fact), I just don't think Kinsey's studies are a good debating point because of the myriad of problems involved with them.

Im sorry I coulda sworn thats exactly what I said.

Maybe I communicated wrong, but I was certain I was saying that the Kinsey scale is accepted but most psychologists think its not fine tuned enough.
Ie bigger sample size, more in depth questions, etc.

But the overall conclusions, that sexuality is more like a scale than three clearly defined and divided sexualities is widely accepted as probable truth.

A lot of things have, at times, been accepted as probable truth that turned out to be titanic piles of bull****.  I'll wait for a proper study to be done.  Until then, Kinsey's studies just don't hold any weight with me.

[jamesp81]

On second thought, why in the world did I post in this thread? I should've known better.  I knew it was going to deteriorate into "anyone who doesn't want a purely gay LI is a homophobe" from the start

Modifié par jamesp81, 04 octobre 2011 - 04:05 .

[Saberchic]

Athayniel wrote...

Bioware has already said they will not add a purely homosexual character to ME3 and have no plans to do so in future games. It isn't economically feasible. Making the the LI available to both genders is a much better use of resources.

^This. It just makes sense to me to have all LI options available to the player so that they can play their game as they see fit.

So sorry. I don't want Vega gay. It seems to me like some people on here just want him to be gay so that he's gay. I don't want a token gay guy. I want a kickass new character that can be available to whatever Shep I decide to play.
I'm creative enough and have a vivid imagination; I can pretend (or rewrite in my head) that certain characters are gay/straight/bi on different playthroughs.

If they make Vega bi, and you want him gay, then just pretend like he is strictly gay. Nothing wrong with that.

[FoxHound109]

Saberchic wrote...

I don't want a token gay guy.

And Vega being gay would make him a "token gay guy"...how, exactly?

[Saberchic]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I don't want a token gay guy.

And Vega being gay would make him a "token gay guy"...how, exactly?

Because it seems people want him to be gay just to be gay. I don't see why he can't be bi so that both genders can enjoy him.

[FoxHound109]

Saberchic wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I don't want a token gay guy.

And Vega being gay would make him a "token gay guy"...how, exactly?

Because it seems people want him to be gay just to be gay. I don't see why he can't be bi so that both genders can enjoy him.

I'm curious though: if Bioware had written him to be gay from the start, how would you feel?

[Saberchic]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

Saberchic wrote...

I don't want a token gay guy.

And Vega being gay would make him a "token gay guy"...how, exactly?

Because it seems people want him to be gay just to be gay. I don't see why he can't be bi so that both genders can enjoy him.

I'm curious though: if Bioware had written him to be gay from the start, how would you feel?

Totally fine. I actually have a femShep set for Vega, but if she can't have him, one of my manSheps will do just as easily.

I just think that it would be nice if everyone could choose the LI they wanted and not be restricted.

[FoxHound109]

Saberchic wrote...

Totally fine. I actually have a femShep set for Vega, but if she can't have him, one of my manSheps will do just as easily.

I just think that it would be nice if everyone could choose the LI they wanted and not be restricted.

Interesting. See, as a gamer, I want everyone to have a shot at their favorite L.I. Like it or not, Bioware has to accept to romances in their games are becoming more and more important. Hence why there are pages and pages of this on BSN. I think all characters being possible L.I.s would be the fairest and most fun option.

...but, as someone who wants story integrity, I'm not so sure. I kind of don't wish to see every character be bisexual. A good amount? Sure. All of them? Not so much. I would prefer a few purely heterosexual and at least one purely homosexual character. It would probably take me out of the experience less, if you know what I mean.