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[FoxHound109]

Rojahar wrote...

I think a good reason for Vega being bi is that, as mentioned above, he is a character for people new to the series. What if someone new the game wants to romance a character that doesn't come with a lot of history which would just confuse a new player? Will you even be able to romance old LIs in ME3 if you didn't romance them in prior games?

This is actually a really interesting point I never thought of...

[diamondedge]

Most of the complainers are uptight hetros who think gay and bi is disgusting or assume stuff then get mad they where wrong.

I bet most of them play male Shepard and romanced Ashley.

See what I did there?

[Siansonea]

1136342t54 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Welcome to the BSN.

Ah yes BSN.

Where Heterosexuals are realistic, Homosexuals are icky and Bisexuals? Ha! We have dismissed that claim.

Does anyone really think that the "concerned heterosexuals protecting the continuity of characters' assumed sexuality AND NOTHING ELSE" are actual heterosexuals?

[diamondedge]

Most of the complainers are uptight hetros who think gay and bi is disgusting or assume stuff then get mad they where wrong.

Mmmm.

I bet most of them play male Shepard who romanced Ashley.

See what I did there?

[TheBlackBaron]

ReconTeam wrote...
You know what, everybody knows my opinions, so I'm going to throw out there that maybe Vega shouldn't be an LI. Maybe he should just be a soldier interested in doing his job and going home. Because you know, not everything in the galaxy is interested in banging Shepard.

At this point in the series, it kind of seems like it is. 

Not saying this is a necessarily good thing, mind you. Just that it's the way things are. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 05 octobre 2011 - 06:24 .

[ElitePinecone]

Rojahar wrote...

I think a good reason for Vega being bi is that, as mentioned above, he is a character for people new to the series. What if someone new the game wants to romance a character that doesn't come with a lot of history which would just confuse a new player? Will you even be able to romance old LIs in ME3 if you didn't romance them in prior games?

There'll be more new LIs than Vega (if Vega is even an LI - we don't know that he is). Bioware have said they'll have some new options available. I'm assuming that means either new squadmates or new people we meet around the universe. 

As for old LIs: Mac Walters and Casey Hudson have said some will be available for re-romancing, but not all. That's about all we know. 

[Siansonea]

ReconTeam wrote...

Oh look, this again. We've got the "all of the LIs should be bisexual for fairness" junk, we've even got a bit of that "everybody is secretly bisexual" and "heterocentic bias" BS.

You know what, everybody knows my opinions, so I'm going to throw out there that maybe Vega shouldn't be an LI. Maybe he should just be a soldier interested in doing his job and going home. Because you know, not everything in the galaxy is interested in banging Shepard.

ReconTeam, I am disappoint. The word "deluded" and the phrase "political correctness" don't occur in this post at all. So much for consistency...

[Fidget6]

Stardusk78 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...
it would be much more convincing

Er, how?

Most people are either straight or gay, not bisexual, that's how.

Umm..... no. Most people are straight, some are gay or bisexual. 

[ElitePinecone]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

I think a good reason for Vega being bi is that, as mentioned above, he is a character for people new to the series. What if someone new the game wants to romance a character that doesn't come with a lot of history which would just confuse a new player? Will you even be able to romance old LIs in ME3 if you didn't romance them in prior games?

This is actually a really interesting point I never thought of...

Bioware did say originally that they'd include a full introduction to the ME/ME2 LIs so that new players would know more about them before the relationship continued in ME3.

But that was before the change to the launch date and the decision to include s/s; since then there's been a lot more emphasis on "new romances" (presumably with new characters) so that new players can start afresh without the burden of a romance with a character they know nothing about.

Now, Bioware are even saying that most ME/ME2 characters won't be re-romancable for new characters - so unless you import a save with them (or there's a comic where you can make decisions) it looks like new players who start the series at ME3 will have mostly new options. 

[Siansonea]

Fidget6 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...
it would be much more convincing

Er, how?

Most people are either straight or gay, not bisexual, that's how.

Umm..... no. Most people are straight, some are gay or bisexual. 

And the percentages are anecdotal paradigms, hardly scientific. Every survey relies on self-reporting, and if there's one thing I know about humans for certain, it's that they lie ALL THE TIME. Especially ones who aren't comfortable with something about themselves. These same people usually go out of their way to disparage that very thing they don't like about themselves, loudly and to anyone who will listen, as every fire-and-brimstone television evangelist who ever hired a male hooker can tell you.

[Comsky159]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...
You know what, everybody knows my opinions, so I'm going to throw out there that maybe Vega shouldn't be an LI. Maybe he should just be a soldier interested in doing his job and going home. Because you know, not everything in the galaxy is interested in banging Shepard.

At this point in the series, it kind of seems like it is. 

Not saying this is a necessarily good thing, mind you. Just that it's the way things are. 

But the reason I must admit to preferring the announce of a gay or straight character rather than a bi one is because that way every character only wants to bang Shepard sometimes. Makes the whole dynamic feel slightly less Shepsexual, which is a good thing given the diminishing number of platonic relationships.

Then again if I had my way there'd be no new romance in ME3 at all.

Modifié par Comsky159, 05 octobre 2011 - 06:31 .

[Siansonea]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

1136342t54 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Welcome to the BSN.

Ah yes BSN.

Where Heterosexuals are realistic, Homosexuals are icky and Bisexuals? Ha! We have dismissed that claim.

Does anyone really think that the "concerned heterosexuals protecting the continuity of characters' assumed sexuality AND NOTHING ELSE" are actual heterosexuals?

Actually, yeah!

Yeah right. Most heterosexual males don't really spend that much time and energy thinking about homosexuality. Why would they? They're interested in girls. See how that works?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Siansonea II wrote...
ReconTeam, I am disappoint. The word "deluded" and the phrase "political correctness" don't occur in this post at all. So much for consistency...

Sorry ma'am, it's difficult to please all of my many fans among your group. But I could see how many of those bothersome words I can jam into a single sentence.

[Siansonea]

ReconTeam wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
ReconTeam, I am disappoint. The word "deluded" and the phrase "political correctness" don't occur in this post at all. So much for consistency...

Sorry ma'am, it's difficult to please all of my many fans among your group. But I could see how many of those bothersome words I can jam into a single sentence.

You need to get on that. You've got a rep to protect. We all know the script, now let's not deviate from it. I am doing my part by being flippant, snarky and dismissive, I expect everyone else to drive down their own well-worn paths as well.  And no cutting a pasting from previous threads! Plagiarizing yourself is still plagiarism, and we ARE checking for that sort of thing.
Now, en garde!

[Siansonea]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

*snip*

Does anyone really think that the "concerned heterosexuals protecting the continuity of characters' assumed sexuality AND NOTHING ELSE" are actual heterosexuals?

Actually, yeah!

Yeah right. Most heterosexual males don't really spend that much time and energy thinking about homosexuality. Why would they? They're interested in girls. See how that works?

Actually no I don't, because I'm a heterosexual male who thinks very little about girls. I have other things to think about.
And just because they don't THINK about it doesn't mean that they're automatically homosexual.

ERROR DETECTED.

Hint: I don't think "heterosexual" means what you think it means...

Modifié par Siansonea II, 05 octobre 2011 - 06:45 .

[Comsky159]

Rojahar wrote...

Comsky159 wrote...

But the reason I must admit to preferring the announce of a gay or straight character rather than a bi one is because that way every character only wants to bang Shepard sometimes. Makes the whole dynamic feel slightly less Shepsexual, which is a good thing given the diminishing number of platonic relationships.

Then again if I had my way there'd be no new romance in ME3 at all.

They actually did state recently that "bromances" and non-romance relationships with romanceable characters are supposed to be improved upon and expanded. Hopefully they come through with that promise.

Bromance can't coexist with sexual attraction; friendships can occasionally of course, but the sustenance of a bromance is like maintaining the beauty of a delicate flower and requires the absence of sexual tension. It's in the code. 

Anyway Bioware's past attempts at providing a "satisfying" friendship in the wake of romance are manifested with Ashley, who provides no indication that  you are in a relationship until she inexplicably violates Shepard in the locker room. I can't see how they can never flawlessly carve the division between friendship and romance. One form of relationship dynamic will inevitably feel unnatural and viscous in its progression.

Modifié par Comsky159, 05 octobre 2011 - 06:49 .

[Comsky159]

EternalAmbiguity wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

ERROR DETECTED.

Hint: I don't think "heterosexual" means what you think it means...

Heterosexual means you are attracted to females, does it not?

Incredibly, it is possible for people to not obsess over sex every waking moment.

[TheBlackBaron]

Comsky159 wrote...

Rojahar wrote...

Comsky159 wrote...

But the reason I must admit to preferring the announce of a gay or straight character rather than a bi one is because that way every character only wants to bang Shepard sometimes. Makes the whole dynamic feel slightly less Shepsexual, which is a good thing given the diminishing number of platonic relationships.

Then again if I had my way there'd be no new romance in ME3 at all.

They actually did state recently that "bromances" and non-romance relationships with romanceable characters are supposed to be improved upon and expanded. Hopefully they come through with that promise.

Bromance can't coexist with sexual attraction; friendships can occasionally of course, but the sustenance of a bromance is like maintaining the beauty of a delicate flower and requires the absence of sexual tension. It's in the code. 

Anyway Bioware's past attempts at providing a "satisfying" friendship in the wake of romance are manifested with Ashley, who provides no indication that  you are in a relationship until she inexplicably violates Shepard in the locker room. I can't see how they can never flawlessly carve the division between friendship and romance. One form of relationship dynamic will inevitably feel unnatural and viscous in its progression.

One can hope, but yeah, I'm not going to expect a huge jump in the quality of the platonic relationships. 

Frankly, I'd be happy if they just got a simple boost (as opposed to having about three conversations - Tali and Garrus being the worst offenders, of course) to approximately the same content as the romances, as in ME1.

Comsky159 wrote...

Incredibly, it is possible for people to not obsess over sex every waking moment.

This is a foreign concept to the BSN. 

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 05 octobre 2011 - 06:55 .

[javierabegazo]

Seeing as this has moved onto more about general talk about SS Romance, lets move on over to the original SS romance thread.