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[Golden Owl]

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

What the heck have the Geth done to earn everybody's admiration? It's off putting.

Their keen glaring spotlight perceptions...they could certainly make humanity think about the many flaws in our dearly held world views, encourage us to re-evaluate ourselves and grow, become better and stronger than we could have imagined for ourselves....in my view anyway....

Darn it Golden Owl! Legion got to you didn't he?!

I'm sorry, he did..........

[Golden Owl]

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

What the heck have the Geth done to earn everybody's admiration? It's off putting.

Their keen glaring spotlight perceptions...they could certainly make humanity think about the many flaws in our dearly held world views, encourage us to re-evaluate ourselves and grow, become better and stronger than we could have imagined for ourselves....in my view anyway....

Darn it Golden Owl! Legion got to you didn't he?!

I'm sorry, he did..........

Then he must pay. Mwuhahahaha *cough* *cough*. Sorry, not good at the evil laugh.

How cute!......You sound like a cat hacking a fur ball........so squee...

[Golden Owl]

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Golden Owl wrote...

jreezy wrote...

What the heck have the Geth done to earn everybody's admiration? It's off putting.

Their keen glaring spotlight perceptions...they could certainly make humanity think about the many flaws in our dearly held world views, encourage us to re-evaluate ourselves and grow, become better and stronger than we could have imagined for ourselves....in my view anyway....

Darn it Golden Owl! Legion got to you didn't he?!

I'm sorry, he did..........

Then he must pay. Mwuhahahaha *cough* *cough*. Sorry, not good at the evil laugh.

How cute!......You sound like a cat hacking a fur ball........so squee...

Thanks. Mind you I exhibit a very manly cuteness.

Of course........Damn it jreezy, now I'm thinking about Turians with their gravelly voices...*sigh*...*wanders off in daze*.......

[Bluko]

-Turians
-Geth

Calibrations for everyone!

Hmm that could be a bit of sausage fest. The Geth are robots and seem to be fairly masculine, although I suppose they could be drag queens. (Transgethites! Robots in disguise!) And then we all know there are no actual Turian women. (Turians pop up out of the ground from a Dextro-Cabbage Patch.) Hmm we're going to need a lot more Kellys if we want to preserve galactic stability.

Cerberus cloning project anyone?

[K_Tabris]

Drell and Asari.

[Valdrane78]

Computer_God91 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

Computer_God91 wrote...

jreezy wrote...

What the heck have the Geth done to earn everybody's admiration? It's off putting.

Legion. Unfortunately.

It's kind of sad how this one Geth changed some peoples' whole perspective concerning the Geth.

Yea, they went from agents of the Reapers wanting to help in the destruction of all organics to cuddly misunderstood robots. A rather lame transition. Here's hoping Legion is one of a kind.

Firts off, not all Geth followed Saren and Nazara, only a small fraction of them broke off and joined.  Second the only time in ME1 that you actually fight the true Geth is when you are in the Armstrong Cluster and it turns out they are there to pipe music back to the veil.

It's hardly a lame transition when there are two factions within a given species, one is a terrorist cell the others just want to be left alone.  Other than the war with the Quarians the only time they have killed organics is when we have passed into their territory, and given their past I don't begrudge them protecting their territory.

It's sad how you can lump an entire "people" into one group and condemn them all because of a few's actions.

[cindercatz]

Legion basically is the Geth, the whole "species". Anytime he connects back into the network, he's effectively the entirety of the Geth represented in a host body shell. The Geth are a segmenting cloud streamed super computer with as many physical nodes as it deems necessary and varying levels of intelligence depending on just how much memory space/processing power is present at the time, and any differentiation is the result of the Geth in one space not being connected to the part of the Geth in another space for a long enough period of time for different experience to result in different conclusions the program makes. Changing the Geth's mind is as simple as overwriting its code, which is what Legion's loyalty quest is about. So, if I were inclined, I'd save whatever part of the Geth I could on the biggest hard drive I could find.

I'd actually not make choices about which species to save. I'd try my best to save them all and see who comes out the other side. If I were concerned with rebuilding the galaxy, probably the Asari and Hanar/Drell (same planet) would be who I'd look to. The Asari are constantly looking to expand out and meet other species, if only so they don't become self destructive psychic vampires. It's a part of their nature and culture, so they're a given. The Hanar took in the Drell, and they worship the Enkindlers for evolving their species and giving them language, so I can see that religion and that culture as driving them to go out and do the same for more primitive species. The Drell don't have any kind of species wide grudges or miliataristic inclinations. Their primary problem is just with nature and finding a suitable planet that has a hospitable environment for them, like the Quarians without the self destruction. They still live to be 30/40 years old, even with the Kepler's Syndrome.

[Computer_God91]

Valdrane78 wrote...

Firts off, not all Geth followed Saren and Nazara, only a small fraction of them broke off and joined.  Second the only time in ME1 that you actually fight the true Geth is when you are in the Armstrong Cluster and it turns out they are there to pipe music back to the veil.

It's hardly a lame transition when there are two factions within a given species, one is a terrorist cell the others just want to be left alone.  Other than the war with the Quarians the only time they have killed organics is when we have passed into their territory, and given their past I don't begrudge them protecting their territory.

It's sad how you can lump an entire "people" into one group and condemn them all because of a few's actions.

You're telling me this as if I didn't already know all this. I can tell your a large fan of Geth using "Nazara" instead of "Soveriegn". I honestly don't have a problem with the Geth. What I have a problem with is that every single race (aside from batarians) being cuddly aliens that everyone loves.

Something I don't get is why the Geth are all the sudden able to be so "human" when they were and are just millions of programs that require being near more programs (other Geth) in order to retain intellegence. Not anymore, they can be isolated and still have "human" level intellegence and have differing opinions.

[cindercatz]

The explanation for Legion is that he's basically just a much more powerful hard drive, so that shell can maintain much higher levels of processing power and storage when isolated, and the reason it was built was specifically to go out and interact with Shepard and other organics. It's not actually cuddly. It's just inquisitive and witholding judgement. When the Geth is basically amongst itself, it doesn't need centralized nodes like Legion. Legion's only purpose is to communicate and interact with organics.

[Computer_God91]

cindercatz wrote...

The explanation for Legion is that he's basically just a much more powerful memory, so that shell can maintain much higher levels of intellegence and storage when isolated.

Explain how that makes sense. I've met people who had great memories but were also idiots.

[The_Biotic_God]

Worse decision ever: Batarian and Vorcha XD

[cindercatz]

Computer_God91 wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

The explanation for Legion is that he's basically just a much more powerful memory, so that shell can maintain much higher levels of intellegence and storage when isolated.

Explain how that makes sense. I've met people who had great memories but were also idiots.

I don't mean he's got better recall. I mean he's got more available terabytes, whatever, ROM. The shell Shepard calls Legion has a much larger local hard drive. That means he can store more Geth component 'programs', which means the Legion shell has much greater intelligence than the average Geth shell, when isolated from the network. One Legion is like 1000 basic platforms, or something like that, because of the greater local memory and processing power.

edit: Like, your average Geth platform is an internet node that does the vast amount of it's computing in the cloud. Legion is like an actual supercomputer all on his own.

Modifié par cindercatz, 05 octobre 2011 - 05:51 .

[Flamingmoe]

 Asari and only female humans to breed with.lol

Modifié par Flamingmoe, 05 octobre 2011 - 10:56 .

[SandTrout]

Computer_God91 wrote...

cindercatz wrote...

The explanation for Legion is that he's basically just a much more powerful memory, so that shell can maintain much higher levels of intellegence and storage when isolated.

Explain how that makes sense. I've met people who had great memories but were also idiots.

For someone with your name, you seem oddly lacking in basic computer knowledge...

In computers, Memory =/= storage. Hard-drives are storage for long term, RAM is memory that allows mupltiple programs to run at the same time.

Speficically in Legion, more simultaneous geth processes are capable of running on that platform than the average infantry platform, giving Legion high enough functioning randomness combined with upgraded processing power to operate independently.

[Jeanne22]

I'd save the most populous races (asari, turians, salarians?).

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Murova wrote...

id let humanity die

if i could id rescue every race except for humanity

I can't say that I disagree with that.  Humanity has a tendency to be arrogant and stupid, even moreso when they're spacefaring.  Aliens ftw!  

[.jpg.exe]

Rachni and Asari, :>

[NPH11]

 For my choice, I'm gonna try to take a look at what each race brings to the table as part of the galactic community. Hopefully this will aid me in making a well balenced decision (and kill time).


Asari: The power of the Asari doesn't come from military power, but from cultural power. They make great politicians and scientists and they have the largest economy in the galaxy.  Not a bad option as long as you have a race to handle military operations as well.

Batarians: They're arrogant, racist slavers. I'm sorry to generalize, but that's just the way things are. They look down on the other galactic races. They're hostile to any outsiders. Their relations with other galactic races are terrible. And even through all that, they're weak. They lack economic or military strength and cultural value.

Drell: Not much is known. They're fairly reliant on the Hanar and seem insular. Probably the weakest race in the galaxy, but not really by their own hand.

Elcor: Like the Drell, they're fairly insular. They're not an economic or military power and they seem content to accept the status quo. Not much of an option.

Geth: They're insular to the point of being reclusive. They have great military strength, but other than that they bring nothing substantial to the table. They wouldn't fit in to galactic society, it just isn't them. The Geth want to create their own future free of intereference.

Hanar: Again, like the Drell and the Elcor they're insular. They don't have any military power and they don't seem to get along with the other races as well as some of the others on this list. There really isn't a reason to save them.

Humans: They suck... Not really, but it seems that Bioware really enjoys hammering home the idea that Humanity is just better than every other race. We're young, our stock is rising quickly, our economy is rapidly growing, our military is already one of the best in the galaxy, we're the most genetically diverse, we're more ambitious and curious, the Reapers want us dead the most. It's been a good 30-40 years. Face it people, humanity is just better than everbody else.

Krogan: "When was the last time you ever saw a krogan scientist? You ask a krogan if he'd rather research a cure for the genophage or fight for credits, and he'll choose fighting, every time. Its just who we are, Shepard. I can't change that. No one can." That line summarizes the Krogan perfectly. They're individualistic and they wouldn't adapt to being part of a galactic community. Sad, but they aren't going to be saved.

Quarians: A bit of an enigma in this sense. Their whole culture is based around the survival of the fleet. That being said, the culture is quite expansive for what it is. Their economy is non-existent as they rely soley on bartering. Their military strength is minimal. They have the fleet, but most of those ships are not designed for combat and I doubt training is that expansive. They don't get along well with other races, but that's based on their recent history. They are masters of technology, however, so they have that on their side. I really don't know how to judge them. I'm assuming if we eliminated all races except 3, they would get a homeworld, but what their race was like prior to their eviction is unknown.

Salarians: A short-lived race, but a technological powerhouse. The Salarians don't bring much in terms of military power, but they can't be matched when it comes to espionage. Their economy is weaker than the Asari and Turians, but that's not really an issue in the grand scheme of things. Their political system, however, seems fairly archaic. Not a bad option if paired with a military power and an economic power.

Turians: They have a strong military and... they have a strong military. There's not much else to say about the Turians. They tend to have a more communal attitude and live in a very structured society. They serve as the militant arm of the council and that's basically it. Their economy is second only to the Asari, but they have the Volus as a client race to back them up. I really don't know if they bring enough to the table to make them worth saving.

Volus: They create comedic effect and biotic gods. What more needs to be said? Oh right, they run galactic trade. What they lack in military strength they make up for in economic power.

Vorcha: Primative and savage. Short lived and all they know how to do is fight. They have no galactic presence outside of the Terminus Systems, and even that is minimal.

Yahg: They've been cut off from the rest of the galaxy for their brutality. Not an option.


Now with that out of the way, my three choices were:

Humans: They're the jack of all trades. Not dominant at any one thing, but great in many things. Their economic health is great, but their military strength is what made them an easy choice. They could easily take the place of the Turians as the militant arm of the galactic community and even bring more to the table in terms of culture.

Asari: An unoriginal choice, I know, but they're an economic and political powerhouse. That is very important to have. They maintain healthy relations with the majority of the galactic races and would seek to solve issues diplomatically rather through brute force. They lack military strength, but paired with humanity, that really wouldn't be a necessity.

Salarians: Probably the weakest point on the list. I considered leaving them off for the Turians, Quarians and Volus, but their mastery of espionage gives them a place in the galactic community. Their technological skills are just a bonus.

Honorable Mentions: The Turians, who would've been a fine option had they brought more to the table except military strength. Humanity made them expendable. The Quarians, who suffered from a lack of good relatons with the greater galaxy and The Volus who are an economic powerhouse, but brought less than the Asari who took their spot on this list.

Modifié par NPH11, 06 octobre 2011 - 02:49 .

[PauseforEffect]

Hmm. Don't know, but I do know that I'm not too concerned about saving the Asari. Only one needs to survive and repopulate her whole species.
I guess besides humans, I'd say turians and salarians. Good balance between innovation and pragmatism.

[Ygolnac]

asari and geth

blue ladies would have noone else than humans to keep genetic diversity...

[Golden Owl]

Neverwinter_Knight77 wrote...

Murova wrote...

id let humanity die

if i could id rescue every race except for humanity

I can't say that I disagree with that.  Humanity has a tendency to be arrogant and stupid, even moreso when they're spacefaring.  Aliens ftw!  

The majority of the alien races are no different really....look at how the big three are reluctant to share power, their treatment of races who don't fit their status quo...eg. Quarians. Batarians have their caste system and slavery. Volus are ultimatley ethically sparse, if they had military ability they would be a problem. Krogans want to kill everything breathing and deliberately destroy planets....Most are no different to humans....just visually.

Modifié par Golden Owl, 06 octobre 2011 - 03:17 .

[BGM]

Asari and salarians. They're both mostly peaceful (barring the maiden years) and scientific people.

If I would switch out any race for humans, it would be the hanar. (The geth's utilmate goal is to be a giant spaceship that floats around a sun. How exciting.) Mostly because I just like the hanar. Besides, if Bioware has taught me anything, it's that the number of decent humans can be counted on both hands and the rest are scum and perpetual victims. But as a human, I'm biased.