IsaacShep wrote...
Adolf Hitler says hi. And the entire human history as well. We can pose just as big threat to each other as machines.111987 wrote...
But seriously, chimpanzees are not the same as an AI machine. Everyone knows how dangerous an AI can become; no organic poses the same kind of threat.
IsaacShep wrote...
No, I agree with you. They could give them the planet, but under the condition Quarians get the resources and everything else elsewhere and do 99% of the rebuilt work themselves. Frankly, it ain't Geth's fault either Quarians were dumb enough to remain on the ships, get their immune systems fawked up and everything else instead of just settling on a new world/new system and rebuilding their civilization there, along with securing resources (for rebuilt efforts and future). In that case, eventually reclaimed Rannoch would be pretty much standard easy 'colonization project' for them like other races do, they wouldn't need to rebuilt their entire civilization from scratch, they would have the resources and whatnot.General User wrote...
What if they are? What if the entire quarian race collectively issues history's biggest mea culpa? So what?
How should the geth respond to that? "Well, they said they were sorry and wrote us a lovely card. Allright let's rip the heart of our civilization out and hand it to them on a silver platter (it really was a lovely card)!"
No, ethically speaking we shouldn't, but it would be the better course of action. Can't have those maniacs blowing everything up. Damn them all to hell!IsaacShep wrote...
Lol please, if we make chimpanzes self-aware tomorrow, can we just wipe them out all because "they may pose a threat to us?"Blooddrunk1004 wrote...
Quarians wanted to kill Geth because they became self aware and they started representing threat to them.
Anyone with brains would do it, "if you are going to create a war weapon or monster, you better know how to shut it down".
Modifié par Kaiser Shepard, 02 octobre 2011 - 06:17 .
111987 wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
Adolf Hitler says hi. And the entire human history as well. We can pose just as big threat to each other as machines.111987 wrote...
But seriously, chimpanzees are not the same as an AI machine. Everyone knows how dangerous an AI can become; no organic poses the same kind of threat.
Um, no. The Quarians didn't know the full capabilities of the Geth. For all they knew, the Geth could have caused a technological apocalypse, like what almost happened in Overlord.
So if we ever discover another intelligent race, one that can also fly for example (without technology), are we allowed to wipe them out "just in case"? After all we don't know them and if and/or what kind of a moral system they represent, not to mention natual advantage (being able to fly) over our species.111987 wrote...
Um, no. The Quarians didn't know the full capabilities of the Geth. For all they knew, the Geth could have caused a technological apocalypse, like what almost happened in Overlord.
Azbeszt wrote...
Warlocomotf wrote...
naledgeborn wrote...
I admit I did not read anything other than the thread title, but I think you posed that question in reverse. It's the Quarians you need to worry about. Geth don't lie or deceive. If Legion said they're open to peace if the statistical opportunity presents itself I'm taking the robot on it's word.
What exactly is going to keep a robot from lying? If statistically the outcome to lying is preferable to the outcome of being honest, a machine will lie 100 out of 100 times.
"Geth do not infiltrate." - Legion, Geth Infiltrator
Wulfram wrote...
If the Geth really wanted peace, one would have thought they'd tell people about it. Rather than trolling the extranet and killing anyone who came near them.
Zakatak757 wrote...
Warlocomotf wrote...
The Geth are also the 'perfect liars', as emotionless machines they would be immensely skilled at lying without being detected. What's more is that, without moral compass or alike, there is only a single thing that factors into deciding between telling the truth or a lie: "Which is more beneficial?".
The Geth might well agree to peace only because it would give them a better position to start war from. That's a frightening thought.
Then why don't they lie?
"Why did you use my armour?"
"...there was a hole."
"But why did you pick THAT specific piece of armor to repair yourself with?"
"...no data available."
They could have lied there. Lying would have been 'beneficial' as it Shepard would have more trust in them (because as far as s/he knows, they are telling the truth).
They/them = Legion, because he is all Geth.
Drudgie wrote...
iOnlySignIn wrote...
No, it's not worth it. There is nothing that the Quarian can offer to the Galaxy which the Geth cannot.
The Quarians belong to history. They together with the Batarians embody the worst and most despicable qualities of organic sapients. Their final extinction will be a glorious milestone of progress for the whole Galaxy.
I agree.
My disguist to the Quarians goes as far back as Mass Effect 1. Just for the way they inslaved "conscious" beings.
If I am given the choice Quarians will be history. Much like how Tali and Williams have been added to my history books.
Izhalezan wrote...
111987 wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
Adolf Hitler says hi. And the entire human history as well. We can pose just as big threat to each other as machines.111987 wrote...
But seriously, chimpanzees are not the same as an AI machine. Everyone knows how dangerous an AI can become; no organic poses the same kind of threat.
Um, no. The Quarians didn't know the full capabilities of the Geth. For all they knew, the Geth could have caused a technological apocalypse, like what almost happened in Overlord.
They also realized they had created a sapient species which meant they were slavers and if the Council found out they'd be in serious trouble, amongst other things.
IsaacShep wrote...
So if we ever discover another intelligent race, one that can also fly for example (without technology), are we allowed to wipe them out "just in case"? After all we don't know them and if and/or what kind of a moral system they represent, not to mention natual advantage (being able to fly) over our species.111987 wrote...
Um, no. The Quarians didn't know the full capabilities of the Geth. For all they knew, the Geth could have caused a technological apocalypse, like what almost happened in Overlord.
Kaiser Shepard wrote...
As for the geth, the real question is whether we should help protect their megastructure for help in the war, or allow it to be destroyed so we can invite them to Earth.
Azbeszt wrote...
"Geth do not infiltrate." - Legion, Geth Infiltrator
Mesina2 wrote...
Wulfram wrote...
If the Geth really wanted peace, one would have thought they'd tell people about it. Rather than trolling the extranet and killing anyone who came near them.
Well to be fair, organics shoot Geth on sight.
So sending Geth diplomats is just a waste of ships and platforms.
And? Who cares? They've lost their right to order Geth around the moment Geth became self-aware. They didn't plan it? That doesn't give them to right to enslave another self-aware beings.111987 wrote...
They didn't really create a sapient species though. They created VI driven robots that became sentient.
Warlocomotf wrote...
Mesina2 wrote...
Wulfram wrote...
If the Geth really wanted peace, one would have thought they'd tell people about it. Rather than trolling the extranet and killing anyone who came near them.
Well to be fair, organics shoot Geth on sight.
So sending Geth diplomats is just a waste of ships and platforms.
Evidently the Geth are entirely capable of posting on the extranet. If the Geth wanted the message out that they want peace, they could have very easily done that.
naledgeborn wrote...
"Geth do not intentionally infiltrate."
111987 wrote...
They didn't really create a sapient species though. They created VI driven robots that became sentient. I doubt the Council would have punished them for being slavers in such a unique situation.
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Well here's some news for you.Mesina2 wrote...
iOnlySignIn wrote...
No, it's not worth it. There is nothing that the Quarian can offer to the Galaxy which the Geth cannot.
The Quarians belong to history. They together with the Batarians embody the worst and most despicable qualities of organic sapients. Their final extinction will be a glorious milestone of progress for the whole Galaxy.
That's very bigot, barbaric and ignorant response.
Please don't talk about this subjects ever again.
Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 02 octobre 2011 - 06:23 .
Maybe not. Can US army wipe out Eskimos? Hell to the yes. Could we one day discover a race that surpasses us technologically in every way? Sure. Will we have the right to "kill 'em all just in case" only because they theoretically could destory us? Nope.111987 wrote...
What are you talking about? That has nothing to do with this situation. An AI could cause a technological apocalypse destroying all advanced organic life. Can a flying intelligent species pose that great of a threat?
Not to mention, Geth were created to serve as V.I and yes they do pose bigger threat they are machines and they have no limit to their knowledge and their tech.111987 wrote...
IsaacShep wrote...
So if we ever discover another intelligent race, one that can also fly for example (without technology), are we allowed to wipe them out "just in case"? After all we don't know them and if and/or what kind of a moral system they represent, not to mention natual advantage (being able to fly) over our species.111987 wrote...
Um, no. The Quarians didn't know the full capabilities of the Geth. For all they knew, the Geth could have caused a technological apocalypse, like what almost happened in Overlord.
What are you talking about? That has nothing to do with this situation. An AI could cause a technological apocalypse destroying all advanced organic life. Can a flying intelligent species pose that great of a threat?
No.
IsaacShep wrote...
And? Who cares? They've lost their right to order Geth around the moment Geth became self-aware. They didn't plan it? That doesn't give them to right to enslave another self-aware beings.111987 wrote...
They didn't really create a sapient species though. They created VI driven robots that became sentient.
Warlocomotf wrote...
Mesina2 wrote...
Wulfram wrote...
If the Geth really wanted peace, one would have thought they'd tell people about it. Rather than trolling the extranet and killing anyone who came near them.
Well to be fair, organics shoot Geth on sight.
So sending Geth diplomats is just a waste of ships and platforms.
Evidently the Geth are entirely capable of posting on the extranet. If the Geth wanted the message out that they want peace, they could have very easily done that.
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