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[Gabey5]

the geth do not want a planet or planets, they want a dyson sphere and to do their own thing

[JimiShep]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

JimiShep wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

I don't understand why people are saying that the Quarian race deserves to die.

My kind has done so much wrong in the world, for evil men have become monsters. Does that justify my death, or the genocide of Mankind because of the sins of other people, or the evil in the past? No

And those who are saying  that the Quarians fault deserve to die...are forgetting some things. For one, it was the Quarian government that wanted to deactivate the geth, its not like every Quarian had a say in the matter (unless you think all the Quarian children were anti-geth).

I don't mind the Geth defending themselves....but they went OVERBOARD. They wiped out more then 99% of the species. That means, during the war, even when the whole Quarian military was wiped out (im sure the Quarian military never even made up half of the population), they kept killing. They killed Quarian children as well. But what do you expect from machines without morals?

So i don't understand how people can justify what the Geth did. It was WRONG.

The Geth did go overboard... but the Quarians would have killed 100 percent of their race too. You can't just look at this situation form a Quarian point of view.

By what mental defect is what you quoted only 'a Quarian point of view'?

Should I have said Organic point of veiw?

[Yakko77]

Gabey5 wrote...

the geth do not want a planet or planets, they want a dyson sphere and to do their own thing

That might make sense from a Geth POV but to this organic, it seems like putting all their eggs in one basket which makes it risky IMO.  Maybe that's how we get the Geth to join us, save their Dyson Sphere from a Reaper attack.

[JimiShep]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

JimiShep wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

I don't understand why people are saying that the Quarian race deserves to die.

My kind has done so much wrong in the world, for evil men have become monsters. Does that justify my death, or the genocide of Mankind because of the sins of other people, or the evil in the past? No

And those who are saying  that the Quarians fault deserve to die...are forgetting some things. For one, it was the Quarian government that wanted to deactivate the geth, its not like every Quarian had a say in the matter (unless you think all the Quarian children were anti-geth).

I don't mind the Geth defending themselves....but they went OVERBOARD. They wiped out more then 99% of the species. That means, during the war, even when the whole Quarian military was wiped out (im sure the Quarian military never even made up half of the population), they kept killing. They killed Quarian children as well. But what do you expect from machines without morals?

So i don't understand how people can justify what the Geth did. It was WRONG.

The Geth did go overboard... but the Quarians would have killed 100 percent of their race too. You can't just look at this situation form a Quarian point of view.

He's not saying that what the quarians did wasn't wrong; just that what the geth did was.

I understand that, but how can you hold accountable a race of "machines without morals" killing Quarian children. To a machine race children would be no different than an adult. I really can't compare AI to Organics, but interntions none the less were there to destroy all of the Geth. How would you feel? Could you go overboard in defense? I agree that both sides are in the wrong surrounding the Morning War

[Dean_the_Young]

JimiShep wrote...

Dean_the_Young wrote...

JimiShep wrote...

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

I don't understand why people are saying that the Quarian race deserves to die.

My kind has done so much wrong in the world, for evil men have become monsters. Does that justify my death, or the genocide of Mankind because of the sins of other people, or the evil in the past? No

And those who are saying  that the Quarians fault deserve to die...are forgetting some things. For one, it was the Quarian government that wanted to deactivate the geth, its not like every Quarian had a say in the matter (unless you think all the Quarian children were anti-geth).

I don't mind the Geth defending themselves....but they went OVERBOARD. They wiped out more then 99% of the species. That means, during the war, even when the whole Quarian military was wiped out (im sure the Quarian military never even made up half of the population), they kept killing. They killed Quarian children as well. But what do you expect from machines without morals?

So i don't understand how people can justify what the Geth did. It was WRONG.

The Geth did go overboard... but the Quarians would have killed 100 percent of their race too. You can't just look at this situation form a Quarian point of view.

By what mental defect is what you quoted only 'a Quarian point of view'?

Should I have said Organic point of veiw?

What compounded mental defect would make that only an Organic point of view?

[Dean_the_Young]

JimiShep wrote...

I understand that, but how can you hold accountable a race of "machines without morals" killing Quarian children.

Easily.

If you wish to claim the rights of sentience, you must pass the minimum intelligence and sanity check that marks, well, sentience.

To a machine race children would be no different than an adult.

Are machines incredibly stupid and unable to register the long-recorded differences in ability, capabilities, responsibilities, and even mental developments and social responsibilities between children and adults?

If a machine doesn't have a sense of differentiation between 'itself' and those not of itself, I question if it can be called sentient in the first place. A lack of identity differentiation isn't a good sign for intelligence.

I really can't compare AI to Organics, but interntions none the less were there to destroy all of the Geth. How would you feel?

If you mean 'would I be irrational', or do you mean 'would my being irrational excuse me'?

The first would be 'maybe', the second would be 'no.'

Could you go overboard in defense?

Yes.

[General User]

Thompson family wrote...

As Legion indicates, the geth might be willing to give up the quarian homeworld, which isn't of any particular value to them. But there are a few problems with that. Just trading ownership of that one planet won't be enough to ensure a lasting peace.

There are only 17 million Quarians on the migrant fleet. Let’s assume a total population of 20 million if you count everyone on pilgrimage. Now let’s assume that, on a planet, their population doubled every 20 years. It would take more than 100 years for the homeworld population to exceed 1 billion.
Therefore:

In order for the Migrant Fleet to successfully transform itself into a stable, independent, planet-based society in the Mass Effect age, the geth are going to have to cede to the quarians at least the entire quarian home system, and (almost certainly) make further territorial concessions so as the quarians have unfettered access to the relay network.

In the first place, that’s not the case with such a small population. In the second, they only have to cede the habitable portions. The Geth don’t need planets. They live in space stations where they have access to resources in asteroids.
Third, there is no such thing as a permanent guarantee of peace forever and ever, amen. Such a demand can’t be granted by anyone.

Good points all!  If it pleases, I shall address them in reverse order.

Of course there's no such thing as a permanent guaranteed peace, all it takes is a deliberate act of aggression by any party and war is back on. What I mean by a "permanent peace" is a peace settlement that thoroughly and intelligently addresses and meets the legitimate needs, concerns, and interests of all parties. As Mr. Godwin has already made his appearance, I'll use the "peace" following the First World War and the peace following the Second World War as examples. Not in comparing any specific point of the two settlements to the Quarian/Geth Conflict, only so far as one was a settlement that ended a war while the other was a settlement that brought about peace.  I'm going for the later (as are we all to one extent or another I think).

As for the second point, leading into the first, the geth do indeed extract any natural resources they may need from asteroids and such, and they do so because it's efficient that and the resources there are many, many times as bountiful (in a word: cheaper). As long as the geth drawn their resources from asteroids, while the quarians are limited to terrestrial (rannoch-strial?) sources, the quarians can legitimately and truthfully claim that the geth are taking the best bits for themselves and leaving them with the scraps at least as far as certain natural resources go. It's stretching the analogy, but not by much I think, to compare it to how, when the Americans were putting the Indians on reservations, the Americans by-and-large took the best land for themselves and left the Indians with some fairly worthless patches of dirt.

Which is why the size of the quarian population that may come to settle on Rannoch doesn't really matter. Because, as you very correctly point out, a population as small as the quarian population could sustain itself for quite some time out of rannoch-strial resources, what they couldn't do is supply themselves as efficiently or in the most cost effective fashion as possible. So no matter how small or large their population was or became they could always (truthfully) claim they were being held back. To my way of thinking that would only serve to further divide the geth and quarian peoples and further embitter them against one-another.

Thompson family wrote...
The key point in this argument is this:

Think about it, if you were the geth would you allow your most persistent enemy to set up an armed camp in the heart of your territory? Or would you have them disarm first? And just how likely do you think the quarians would be to accept anything like that? And consider that from the quarian's point of view, talk about a siege mentality! If I were a quarian and had to choose between living in the Migrant Fleet or on Rannoch, disarmament or no, under the watchful eye of the geth, I'd choose the former, no question.

A valid view – unless there’s a Reaper invasion going on.
A probability of getting betrayed and wiped out by an old enemy still gives better odds than certain extinction from a new one.

I don't think there's any question that presenting a unified front in the face of the Reaper invasion is a good idea.  My point was rather that, as is the case with simply a lull in the fighting, a temporary truce between enemies in the face of a greater threat is a far cry from a permanent workable peace. 

[General User]

111987 wrote...

General User wrote...

111987 wrote...
Who says the megastructure is even in the same system as Rannoch though? If they are in different but neighboring systems, there's no real issue. They don't have to interact at all if they don't wish too.

I think we can all but guarantee the Sphere is not in the Rannoch starsystem.

Just don't forget about Relay access.  In order for a lasting peace to be possible between the geth and the quarians, both parties will need unfettered, independent access to the Relay Network.  Otherwise it's just another flash point that could all too easily set off a major war. 

If the system the Geth are in have a secondary relay, then they do have access to the relay network. If not, I think sharing the relay shouldn't be too much of an issue. This of course is assuming the Geth ever decide to leave their megastructure.

Maybe, I know humans are famous for fighting over shipping channels, maybe quarians and geth are different, but I doubt it. Maybe there is a secondary relay in just the right place and the whole thing is a non-issue, if so; great! 

[Big I]

General User wrote...

As for the second point, leading into the first, the geth do indeed extract any natural resources they may need from asteroids and such, and they do so because it's efficient that and the resources there are many, many times as bountiful (in a word: cheaper).


Which is why the size of the quarian population that may come to settle on Rannoch doesn't really matter. Because, as you very correctly point out, a population as small as the quarian population could sustain itself for quite some time out of rannoch-strial resources, what they couldn't do is supply themselves as efficiently or in the most cost effective fashion as possible. So no matter how small or large their population was or became they could always (truthfully) claim they were being held back.

The reason it's more efficient for the geth to mine asteroids is because they don't have the same life support requirements of organics (i.e. why Heretic station had no air or gravity). It's also why the inverse is true for organics -  it's cheaper and easier to set up mining and farming operations on a "shirt-sleeves" world than it is to mine asteroids. That's why when given the option the Alliance colonised places like Therum for their mineral wealth instead of focusing primarily on deep space resoruces.


Are the asteroids a richer source of minerals? We can't say, because the resources of an entire planet (or planets) are almost incalculable, as are the number of resource rich ateroids. What we can say is that it's much easier for organics to get those resources from planets.


Even if there were more resources in space than on-world, so what? The resources of Rannoch exceed any amount the quarians could want or need for the forseeable future. Why would the fact that the geth are prospering drive them back to hostilities?

[Zakatak757]

This Dyson sphere...

With unlimited energy all the time, anything is possible. If the Geth wanted to, they could create a massive, impenetrable kinetic barrier or shield. A self-sufficient planet 100 times larger then your average garden world. A place that could house hundreds of species, safe from Reapers, for eternity.

GETH SAVE EVERYONE!

Chances of that happening? <0.1%

[StarcloudSWG]

Geth are logic based. Not entirely so; they debate morality and ethics between subprocesses and collective groups. But unlike organics, they don't accept words and treaties as being the founding reason for trust. Instead, they look to actions.

If Geth *observed* a decrease in hostilities despite increased contact between them and the Creators, they would likely accept a peace deal. If Geth *observed* that nothing changes despite negotiations, then they would not accept a peace deal.

[General User]

LookingGlass93 wrote...

General User wrote...

As for the second point, leading into the first, the geth do indeed extract any natural resources they may need from asteroids and such, and they do so because it's efficient that and the resources there are many, many times as bountiful (in a word: cheaper).


Which is why the size of the quarian population that may come to settle on Rannoch doesn't really matter. Because, as you very correctly point out, a population as small as the quarian population could sustain itself for quite some time out of rannoch-strial resources, what they couldn't do is supply themselves as efficiently or in the most cost effective fashion as possible. So no matter how small or large their population was or became they could always (truthfully) claim they were being held back.

The reason it's more efficient for the geth to mine asteroids is because they don't have the same life support requirements of organics (i.e. why Heretic station had no air or gravity). It's also why the inverse is true for organics -  it's cheaper and easier to set up mining and farming operations on a "shirt-sleeves" world than it is to mine asteroids. That's why when given the option the Alliance colonised places like Therum for their mineral wealth instead of focusing primarily on deep space resoruces.


Are the asteroids a richer source of minerals? We can't say, because the resources of an entire planet (or planets) are almost incalculable, as are the number of resource rich ateroids. What we can say is that it's much easier for organics to get those resources from planets.


Even if there were more resources in space than on-world, so what? The resources of Rannoch exceed any amount the quarians could want or need for the forseeable future. Why would the fact that the geth are prospering drive them back to hostilities?

I'm assuming that quarians are at least remotely similar to humans. How many conflicts, wars, and revolutions have humans fought because (whether they were right or not) "Group 1" believed "Group 2" was stealing it's money (or, if you prefer, they were jealous of the success of others)? I could be wrong. But I don't think so.

When it comes to natural resources "need" doesn't really come into it at this stage. As you point out, almost anything a potential quarian society needs can be extracted from Rannoch indefinitely. That's not the point because even if "from each according to his ability to each according to his need" did work (and it doesn't), limiting a quarian society to planet-based resources would still represent an artificial external restriction on the quarian economy.  One that would (probably) not be fatal or even severe, but again that's not the point.

Humanity and the Alliance are actualy very good examples of what I mean.  Humanity has developed many worlds as resource extraction centers, and also has many asteroid and/or space-based facilities. The Alliance is large (and strong) enough that purely economic concerns can dictate when, where, and how human beings acquire the things they need to fuel their empire. If a planet-based quarian society is denied a similar set of options (even if only on a smaller scale) it's just setting the stage for future conflict.  What's really important, at least as far any sort of peace agreement would be concerned, is whether or not allowing the geth to remain in their space-based industrial centers while restricting the quarians to planet-side resources is liable to generate peace threatening resentment.  I have to think it will.

[azerSheppard]

Mesina2 wrote...

iOnlySignIn wrote...

No, it's not worth it. There is nothing that the Quarian can offer to the Galaxy which the Geth cannot.

The Quarians belong to history. They together with the Batarians embody the worst and most despicable qualities of organic sapients. Their final extinction will be a glorious milestone of progress for the whole Galaxy.

That's very bigot, barbaric and ignorant response.

Please don't talk about this subjects ever again.



So, on topic.

I think Quarians should guarantied to Geth that they will not attack them ever again.
Well for that Admiral Qwib Qwib should be in charge( or one of his followers) while Admiral Xen and her followers, removed.

Well not kill them or reeducate them.
Just make sure they won't be a threat to Geth.

You naivity is only exceeded by your self rightiousness, claiming one is bigotted for having a realistic, human view on the Batarians and Quarians, is completely redicilous.

The Quarians it seems rather live in the past than move on to a brighter future, forged out of their mistakes, which they still deny as a people, this is a disease many nations on earth are infected with, and only cause for the masses to move towards the other end of education and progress. Being able to move on is needed to evolve, not only as a species or people, but also as an individual.

The Batarians accept slavery as an important part of their culture and possibly religion, this is an atrocity in human standards, and since iOnlySignIn is a human, he is obviously repulsed by this travesty of a "culture".
Stating he is bigotted for this reason, is pretty much the same as stating the Batarians are bigots for their involvement in slavery and indentured servitude.

[Anacronian Stryx]

AnAccountWithNoName wrote...

I don't understand why people are saying that the Quarian race deserves to die.

My kind has done so much wrong in the world, for evil men have become monsters. Does that justify my death, or the genocide of Mankind because of the sins of other people, or the evil in the past? No

And those who are saying  that the Quarians fault deserve to die...are forgetting some things. For one, it was the Quarian government that wanted to deactivate the geth, its not like every Quarian had a say in the matter (unless you think all the Quarian children were anti-geth).

I don't mind the Geth defending themselves....but they went OVERBOARD. They wiped out more then 99% of the species. That means, during the war, even when the whole Quarian military was wiped out (im sure the Quarian military never even made up half of the population), they kept killing. They killed Quarian children as well. But what do you expect from machines without morals?

So i don't understand how people can justify what the Geth did. It was WRONG.

You do not have any idea how the morning war was fought nor do you know how many casualties the Geth took, you cant know that because nobody knows that.

You don't even know if the quarians were to stupid to realise that they had lost and kept attacking or that the high casualty comes from biological warfare(the quarians did try to introduce viruses in the geth network so even here the geth would be justified to retaliate in kind).

Hell you don't even know if the quarians fought each other to get on ship to go of world.

But i guess it's just that tempting to write stuff like "they killed children!" and use caps to make points that frankly nobody can claim any knowledge of.

Modifié par Anacronian Stryx, 03 octobre 2011 - 12:21 .

[Sethan_1]

If Legion can be believed, the Geth would be happy to be at peace with the Quarians. The Quarians may take some more convincing.

An interesting question is what specifically the long term goals of the Geth are. That will determine whether long term peace is possible.

Another is whether the Geth are reproducing at all - for all we know, all the Geth (programs) in existence are those that the Quarians created.

[Zugin]

Geth long term goal is achieving technological singularity the Dyson sphere project is a step in that direction. From pov of my Shep if Reapers can be defeated Geth have to be completely destroyed next, in long term nothing else will ensure survival of humanity or of any other organics for that matter.

Having Geth achieve singularity is like allowing a God to be born that might choose to whatever it will with you..

[Thompson family]

A thoughtful response General User. In reply to the most important point first:

I don't think there's any question that presenting a unified front in the face of the Reaper invasion is a good idea. My point was rather that, as is the case with simply a lull in the fighting, a temporary truce between enemies in the face of a greater threat is a far cry from a permanent workable peace.

Fair enough, General User — but you can’t get to peace without a truce.

I'll address the possibility of permanent peace in my next reply, only because there's always a question of whether you can even get a truce without at least a chance at permanent peace.

[StowyMcStowstow]

I hope this has been mentioned already, but if you bring Legion into the Quarian trial, Legion states that the Geth would consider peace if it was presented to them. No one has asked in a couple hundred years, so it has not been considered.

[FoxShadowblade]

They had better, I'd hate to clean up the Reapers only to have to clean up the Geth.

Legion would side with Shepard though. He might even attach a "Shepard Fan Club" flag to his antenna.

[Thompson family]

Now, to continue:

What I mean by a "permanent peace" is a peace settlement that thoroughly and intelligently addresses and meets the legitimate needs, concerns, and interests of all parties.

(Cites the example of WWI and WWII settlements with Germany.)

Germany never would have accepted partition into East and West Germany, plus the permanent loss of much of Prussia, without total and abject defeat. The Allies “unconditional surrender” policy had much more to do with German acceptance of the situation than thorough and intelligence addressing of legitimate needs, concerns and interests of all parties.
The Quarians lost. They need to get over it. The Geth are even more powerful now than they were three centuries ago when they won the “Morning War.” They’ve had 300 years of peace and, presumably, overall growth in a system while the Quarians have been nomads with tight controls on their population and engaging in salvage. What the Quarians view as an acceptable peace has likely changed.

As for the second point, leading into the first, the geth do indeed extract any natural resources they may need from asteroids and such, and they do so because it's efficient that and the resources there are many, many times as bountiful (in a word: cheaper). As long as the geth drawn their resources from asteroids, while the quarians are limited to terrestrial (rannoch-strial?) sources, the quarians can legitimately and truthfully claim that the geth are taking the best bits for themselves and leaving them with the scraps at least as far as certain natural resources go. It's stretching the analogy, but not by much I think, to compare it to how, when the Americans were putting the Indians on reservations, the Americans by-and-large took the best land for themselves and left the Indians with some fairly worthless patches of dirt.

The Quarians have, presumably, been free to salvage every asteroid belt in the known galaxy for 300 years. Compared to that, salvaging on a planet-wide scale would be a godsend. Still, since resources can be gathered from anywhere (habitable or not) an agreement should be possible.

Which is why the size of the quarian population that may come to settle on Rannoch doesn't really matter. Because, as you very correctly point out, a population as small as the quarian population could sustain itself for quite some time out of rannoch-strial resources, what they couldn't do is supply themselves as efficiently or in the most cost effective fashion as possible. So no matter how small or large their population was or became they could always (truthfully) claim they were being held back. To my way of thinking that would only serve to further divide the geth and quarian peoples and further embitter them against one-another.

They not only get their planet back, they get one of the very few capable of sustaining Quarian biology. Does anyone really doubt that, in all their wanderings, if the Quarians had found a planet suitable to them that was not already inhabited by a council race (and introducing bacteria to the habitat) that at least some of the Quarians would have settled there?

The resource here is a habitable planet — habitable for the Quarians. That’s the ace in this deck.

[General User]

Thompson family wrote...
Germany never would have accepted partition into East and West Germany, plus the permanent loss of much of Prussia, without total and abject defeat. The Allies “unconditional surrender” policy had much more to do with German acceptance of the situation than thorough and intelligence addressing of legitimate needs, concerns and interests of all parties.
The Quarians lost. They need to get over it. The Geth are even more powerful now than they were three centuries ago when they won the “Morning War.” They’ve had 300 years of peace and, presumably, overall growth in a system while the Quarians have been nomads with tight controls on their population and engaging in salvage. What the Quarians view as an acceptable peace has likely changed.

I'm almost certain it has. I got the distinct impression that Admiral Koris was the first major quarian leader ever to seriously and publicly consider peace with the geth. 

I think the most important difference between the quarians and any of the Axis powers is that the quarians aren't defeated, at least in their own eyes. I have to think that any willingness the quarians may or may not have to accept an "sub-optimal" peace agreement (ie one that gives them Rannoch, but leaves the rest of the home-system in geth hands) is less due to the shock of absolute defeat than to a persistent war weariness.  I would argue that a peace made under those conditions is necessarily fragile, only one change in leadership away from being destroyed, and built to encourage changes in leadership.

Thompson family wrote...
They not only get their planet back, they get one of the very few capable of sustaining Quarian biology. Does anyone really doubt that, in all their wanderings, if the Quarians had found a planet suitable to them that was not already inhabited by a council race (and introducing bacteria to the habitat) that at least some of the Quarians would have settled there?

The resource here is a habitable planet — habitable for the Quarians. That’s the ace in this deck.

The apple on the tree would be my chosen analogy. My fear is that the quarians will give up so much reaching for that apple only to get it and find it's not as sweet as they thought it would be, and that they gave up far too much to get it.

Legion actually talks about this a little in one of the conversations with Shepard. How Rannoch has become a sort of idealized symbol to the quarians. A fantasy that no real place could ever live up to. With that in mind, it's critical that when the inevitable happens, when life on Rannoch fails to live up to expectations, that the quarians only have themselves to look to for an answer. Because if they have any foreign force (especially if it's the geth) holding them back (or even just conveniently located), they will resent it, they will lash out, and the peace will be gone.


My pet theory is that one of the key reasons the quarians never actually picked a planet to settle on (difficult though it may be) is that they very much consider themselves to still be at war with the geth and consider the mobility of the Migrant Fleet to be their best defense.

[Thompson family]

General User wrote...

My fear is that the quarians will give up so much reaching for that (idealized home world) only to get it and find it's not as sweet as they thought it would be, and that they gave up far too much to get it.

Legion actually talks about this a little in one of the conversations with Shepard. How Rannoch has become a sort of idealized symbol to the quarians. A fantasy that no real place could ever live up to. With that in mind, it's critical that when the inevitable happens, when life on Rannoch fails to live up to expectations, that the quarians only have themselves to look to for an answer.

Certainly possible, but it's a fact of psychology (human at least) that the more you sacrifice for something and the longer you yearn for it, the more likely you are to think it was worth the sacrifice and the longing -- all while the rest of us are scratching our heads.

[SkittlesKat96]

The Geth are willing to make peace.

Legion claims that the Geth only attack the Quarians all the time because the Quarians attack them all the time.

And its likewise with the Quarians.

Whether they would keep peace or be able to come to peace terms that both sides would want I don't know, we have to wait and see in ME 3.

Also I wouldn't underestimate the level of sentience and likeness of Geth to organics...they seem alien and robotic and simple but there have also been other things in the ME series that have shown otherwise (their religion, their consensus, their instinct to survive, the disagreement and splitting of the Heretic Geth, even the Shadow Broker's files suggest that Legion plays video games, although that might have been a joke.)

And we still haven't been to the Quarians homeworlds yet so we still have yet to see.

EDIT:

As for the Dyson Sphere that is a whole different thing and we still don't know the facts about that yet, its possible that even if the Quarians didn't shut the Geth down and try to destroy them the Geth would have broken free anyway and taken the Quarian homeworlds to use for resources.

We'll just have to wait and see 

Modifié par SkittlesKat96, 04 octobre 2011 - 06:49 .

[Sweawm]

Until I play ME3 and see a peaceful resolution for myslef, I still think the Geth offer of peace is a lie.
Legion is a Geth INFILTRATOR. While Geth may not lie, what if the information he is fed from the Collective simply is forged because the Geth in a whole have much larger plans? Isn't it convenient that the Geth WANT peace with an enemy that they have on the brink of destruction? An enemy that has been trying to exterminate them for centuries? Bah.
There is a much more sinister purpose I believe...
My second theory is that we get to the Mass Effect 3 and simply discover that Legion's faction simply is one platform and a few thousand programs who have gone rouge from the Collective. That would be a twist.