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[Shady314]

Serogon wrote...
In the mage origin you also aren't defending a blood mage who's there, you just helped one who's now gone without you knowing he was even a blood mage. While admitablly they probably won't be able to do anything to YOU, they would try to send people to kill Jowan (and by extension you, since you'd be defending him unless you just handed him over).

Riordan says the Grey Wardens accept blood mages. Blood mages are hunted all across Thedas. Therefore the Right of Conscription must protect them unless you imagine Templars are out there hunting down Grey Wardens. I have no doubt they don't like it. But they can't do jack about it. David gaider said at one point the plan was for you to be able to use the Right on Jowan to save him from Eamon's judgement. 

I did the mage origin both helping Jowan and ratting him out. Both times I knew he was probably a blood mage. He was acting weird and Irving and Gregoir are not stupid. I just didn't care he was a blood mage and did my best to say so. Gregoir does not want to give you up to the Grey Wardens but he's powerless to do anything about it.

Modifié par Shady314, 22 novembre 2009 - 08:51 .

[Serogon]

Shady314 wrote...

Serogon wrote...
In the mage origin you also aren't defending a blood mage who's there, you just helped one who's now gone without you knowing he was even a blood mage. While admitablly they probably won't be able to do anything to YOU, they would try to send people to kill Jowan (and by extension you, since you'd be defending him unless you just handed him over).

Riordan says the Grey Wardens accept blood mages. Blood mages are hunted all across Thedas. Therefore the Right of Conscription must protect them unless you imagine Templars are out there hunting down Grey Wardens. I have no doubt they don't like it. But they can't do jack about it. David gaider said at one point the plan was for you to be able to use the Right on Jowan to save him from Eamon's judgement. 

I did the mage origin both helping Jowan and ratting him out. Both times I knew he was probably a blood mage. He was acting weird and Irving and Gregoir are not stupid. I just didn't care he was a blood mage and did my best to say so. Gregoir does not want to give you up to the Grey Wardens but he's powerless to do anything about it.

I guess they couldn't go after a grey warden, but it just seems strange that they'd give up on getting a maleficarum. The templars are pretty crazy about them, it seems like they'd still go after one.

[Lapetus]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Does the Right of Conscription not work on royalty? That would be one of the allowances I could see in place, considering the Wardens have to remain neutral in that kind of political affair.

That's how my PC takes over the world!
By forcibly conscripting the ruling monarchs of every civilised nation; Fereldan, Orlais, Tevinter and whatever nation the Qunari live in.
 Mwahahahaha!!

[Mummolus]

I'd recruit that blood mage woman in the Circle Tower - you can tell her to go to your camp as is, and she just never shows up.

[Serogon]

Lapetus wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Does the Right of Conscription not work on royalty? That would be one of the allowances I could see in place, considering the Wardens have to remain neutral in that kind of political affair.

That's how my PC takes over the world!
By forcibly conscripting the ruling monarchs of every civilised nation; Fereldan, Orlais, Tevinter and whatever nation the Qunari live in.
 Mwahahahaha!!

Assuming it even works on royalty, I don't think the Qunari would even care about the Grey Wardens. Remember, they didn't even know what the Blight was, that's why Sten was there.

[Lapetus]

Actually Serogon, my point (reading between the lines) was that I doubt it would work on royalty because of the potential to hijack the entire nation by conscripting the ruler. The Qunari was just expanding upon my point of every nation. What a powerbase that would be.

Modifié par Lapetus, 22 novembre 2009 - 09:02 .

[Serogon]

Lapetus wrote...

Actually Serogon, my point (reading between the lines) was that I doubt it would work on royalty because of the potential to hijack the entire nation by conscripting the ruler. The Qunair was just expaning upon my point of every nation. What a powerbase that would be.

Oh, I thought you were just, umm... well, being an idiot. But yes, that's one of the main issues with it.

[Alexandus]

As a Blood Mage Grey Warden I've temporarily "conscripted" ogres many a time



Based on what the boss abomination was doing to the mages in the circle tower, theoretically a blood mage could brainwash every ogre he came upon and thus build an unstoppable army.

[Shady314]

Alexandus wrote...

As a Blood Mage Grey Warden I've temporarily "conscripted" ogres many a time

Based on what the boss abomination was doing to the mages in the circle tower, theoretically a blood mage could brainwash every ogre he came upon and thus build an unstoppable army.

How does a Pride Abomination show what a blood mage can do???? They are not the same thing at all.

[KalosCast]

Maria Caliban wrote...
That's not quite what I got out of it.

Duncan: And you will join the Grey Wardens.
PC: No.
Duncan: But thou must!
PC: No.
Duncan: But thou must!
PC: Okay.

Part of being the leader of the Grey Wardens is being able to see when someone has a camera floating a few feet behind their back.

[Lapetus]

It would interesting to conscript from the legion of the dead. To my mind, even though the dwarves seem to be waging a never-ending war against the darkspawn, they are not even offered assistance from the other races, but are required to help the humans whenever there is a surface blight. I would give them a few dwarf grey wardens to help out, and not require them to come to the surface. Maybe start another grey warden group, call it the grey legion, the legion of the wardens or the grey dead.

[KalosCast]

Lapetus wrote...

It would interesting to conscript from the legion of the dead. To my mind, even though the dwarves seem to be waging a never-ending war against the darkspawn, they are not even offered assistance from the other races, but are required to help the humans whenever there is a surface blight. I would give them a few dwarf grey wardens to help out, and not require them to come to the surface. Maybe start another grey warden group, call it the grey legion, the legion of the wardens or the grey dead.

While it would be cool to battle alongside the Greytful Dead, I feel like recruiting them away from the Dark Roads and risking killing them would be counter-productive. They've already given up their life, to the extent of having a funeral for themselves, so that they can focus their lives on doing nothing but trying to push back the Darkspawn. Heaping extra responsibility and loyalty ontop of that seems like it's kind of undermining the point. Unless you mean just like... "make the Legion of Dead have it's own order of Grey Wardens independant from the rest" because I could see the merit in that.

[Anton de Staen]

I would recruit everybody I hated in the game.. And send them on a little expedition to the Deep Roads.

[redelephant]

Gorim.

[interesting03]

Knight-Commander Greagoir, he can replace Alistair.

[Elanareon]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Serogon wrote...

Well, she doesn't have a choice. Remember, from either the codex or a loading screen ( I don't remember) it said they even recruit princes. She wouldn't have much of a choice.

Yes, they can recruit princes, but they can't force someone to join. Moreover, there's a difference between recruiting a prince or recruiting a queen.

Yes they can actually force someone to join. That happened to me on Human Noble origins where Duncan invoked the Rite(Right?) of Conscription. So yeah they just don;t force someone in Ferelden because of the Grey Wardens was banned prior to King Maric.

[Suron]

Serogon wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I agree with Ser Cauthrien. Also Anora; she looks good in her battle armor, though I'd demand a new hairstyle; the buns don't do it for me.

Other than that, Merrill from the Dalish Origins. I like her attitude.

I don't think Anora would allow it.

Well, she doesn't have a choice. Remember, from either the codex or a loading screen ( I don't remember) it said they even recruit princes. She wouldn't have much of a choice.

Queen > Prince there slick...she wouldn't agree to it

[Kyrellic]

The Rite of Conscription is a fragile thing. It isn't a magical compulsion. Trying to use it too often or on people who are too important (like, say, a ruler) can result in the Grey Wardens being executed and/or exiled from a nation. That said, the Rite of Conscription, as written, allows the Grey Wardens to claim anyone.

PC: I invoke the Rite of Conscription. Anora, you are now a Grey Warden.

Anora: Execute them.

Guards: Yes, your Majesty!

*battle*

[Reiella]

Serogon wrote...

Maria Caliban wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

I agree with Ser Cauthrien. Also Anora; she looks good in her battle armor, though I'd demand a new hairstyle; the buns don't do it for me.

Other than that, Merrill from the Dalish Origins. I like her attitude.

I don't think Anora would allow it.

Well, she doesn't have a choice. Remember, from either the codex or a loading screen ( I don't remember) it said they even recruit princes. She wouldn't have much of a choice.

They do have a choice,  they can refuse the Wardens, and the Wardens would have to enforce the Right through might.  As another poster mentioned you actually get denied the right of conscription with Sten.  And the same load screen does tell ya that using the right has consequences. 

[MBirkhofer]

Many of you aren't considering things well.

The actual rates of surviving the Joining are not listed.

But lets say its 50%. So take your lists an assume 50% would die. Its much sounder tactically to not conscript everyone you see.

Ser Cauthrine for example, absolutely not. She would be a much better asset as a Fereldan general, and not a Grey warden, who is going to have the calling in 30 or so years.

It would be better to pick and choose promising lieutenants, or skilled soldiers.

[Saurel]

MBirkhofer wrote...

Many of you aren't considering things well.

With the exception of Teaghan my list isn't too bad  

I was unsure about this. Is surviving the Joining completely random or do some personalities/bodies have a stronger resilience than others?

[BasiliusHaine]

Russel Crowe!

[Mikka-chan]

I would grab Jowan. He's in a place where he's probably going to be killed (be it by execution or by being returned to the tower and templers) after the dealings with the Arl (unless you do some fancy dialog playing). Despite his personality, though, he does crazy things (paticularly if you're not a Mage yourself and therefore he had to get some nameless mook for help in getting the wand and through the basement to break his leash). Now, admittedly, considering Jowan's tendency to bring horrible things on to himself, he would probably cause more problems then he solved, but maybe under the PC's eyes, it might be workable.

I'd never recruit Gorim. What if he didn't make it through the ritual? Then the world would be out one of the most steadfast awesome dwarfs in history. Which would suck. No, I'd want to bring Gorim along (although perhaps send him far away during the final battle), but I wouldn't want to force him to drink the blood.

...A Dwarven Noble's little brother, on the other hand... how about just shove some blood down his throat and toss him in to the Deep Roads like he tossed you, so long ago? Only with no Grey Warden's waiting down there to help him. That's just revenge fantasy, though.

A few of the other Origin PC companions might be decent. The question is, though, would you really want to take them away from everything and put them in such a risk like that? I'm not sure if I would.