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[Porenferser]

I've been reading through the forum a lot.
And especially sentences like *Yeah, we killed 300.000 Terrorists, Shepard should be rewarded, not jailed!* really make me >
I mean, yes, except for 2 or 3 exceptions we have only met Batarians that wanted to kill us.
But hasn't anyone ever realized that the only reason for that is because we only met criminal Batarians?
Remender: Normally, they are not allowed to go anywhere out of their system.
The normal Batarians are all home and do nothing, everyone else is a slaver, a mercenary, etc
No need to wish death to a whole race.

Analogy, except for Legion we've only met 'evil' Geth yet, aka Heretics, all the rest is sitting in the perseus veil.
Why is there no such 'hate' for them?

[Bogsnot1]

My sig says it all.

[Swimming Ferret]

Bioware is racist.

[CroGamer002]

Except that Batarian merchant on Omega is actually a legit merchant and doesn't mind that Shepard is human, at all.
Also that sick Batarian on Omega apologies for doubting you and his reasons weren't irrational.
I mean, only humans are Vorcha weren't dieing from that plague. It was kinda obvious choice that humans made that plague, not Collectors who aren't even known in majority of the public.

[Homey C-Dawg]

I personally find batarians to be the most similar to humans of all aliens in the ME universe.

They're basically ripped from human-kinds shady and destructive past, embodying everything we don't like about ourselves. It's no wonder they are so easy to hate.

Analogy, except for Legion we've only met 'evil' Geth yet, aka Heretics, all the rest is sitting in the perseus veil.
Why is there no such 'hate' for them?

Because of Legion. I'm certain a well written batarian squadmate would change a lot of minds about their species.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 03 octobre 2011 - 08:20 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

I'm so tempted to say that "What do you call 300,000 dead batarians? A good start." joke.

Oh wait...

[Porenferser]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I personally find batarians to be the most similar to humans of all aliens in the ME universe.

This.
Maybe the hate also comes from there, humanity has always hated themselves^^

Because of Legion. I'm certain a well written batarian squadmate would change a lot of minds about their species.

Yeah, but I doubt Bioware will do it:pinched:

[goofyomnivore]

I think they're are interesting. I don't approve of some of their culture, but I admire their backbone to ditch the Council.

[Bogsnot1]

Porenferser wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I personally find batarians to be the most similar to humans of all aliens in the ME universe.

This.
Maybe the hate also comes from there, humanity has always hated themselves^^

Because of Legion. I'm certain a well written batarian squadmate would change a lot of minds about their species.

Yeah, but I doubt Bioware will do it:pinched:

Doesnt have to be well written, he just has to be voiced by Brian Blessed.

[Homey C-Dawg]

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Doesnt have to be well written, he just has to be voiced by Brian Blessed.

Shepard's ALIVE!!!

[OmegaXI]

I enjoy mowing down hordes of batarians, every batarian I kill is one less slaver or merc in the universe. And as for the Batarians people who let this horrible system of slavery continue, well they are jus tas responsible as their leaders. The batarian people have not tried to change or reform their slave society so they will share the punishment.

My ruthless colonial Shep. is the thing of bataian nightmares, he took no prisoners of torfon, attacked the batarian at every chance, and destroyed an entire batarian system. And all of this could have been avoided if the bataians did not kill his entire family during a slave raid.

Have fun trying to defend the batarian race as a whole, while I on the other hand will have fun breaking them. Tha galaxy will be a better place once the batarians as we now know them are defeated. Also enjoy defending those who practice slavery and enslave others againist their will, while you are defending the batarians you say nothing about the plight of their slaves.

Bioware has not provided us with any information about the batarians at home, so they could be just as bad as all the other batarians we have killed. And these Batarians on their home world let their corrupt sytem to continue so yes this is enough to invoke the punishment of their entire race by my Sheperd. They are guilty for doing nothing to stop the slave raids on other alien races, for letting their slave sytem to continue, and not raising up againist the people who rule them. Death to thier race will serve as a reminder to all others what will happen if they choose to follow same path.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 03 octobre 2011 - 08:44 .

[Ieldra]

I've always said Batarians are humanity's dark mirror image. Everything we don't want to be, but nonetheless, have been all too often in our history and even today. I'll kill their slavers and their terrorists, but as a species they're not too different from humans. They may have a lot to learn, but so have we.

Yes, Colonist Shepards have enough reasons to hate them as a species, but even so I'd say it's a character flaw. No reason not to play such Shepards, of course, but hating a whole species for what some of its representatives have done is still a character flaw.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 octobre 2011 - 08:41 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

I'll never advocate slavery. However, I'll also never advocate genocide.

Toppling the Hegemony and culturally uplifting the species would be the option I would pursue, if given the chance. It might work and it might not, and would probably end with a large portion of the batarian species dead, but the ones who survived and adapted could rebuild without old ideas like slavery and piracy holding them back. Either way I tried.

Just my 2¢ of course.

[ThePwener]

Batarians are ME's buttmonkeys. Period.

[OmegaXI]

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've always said Batarians are humanity's dark mirror image. Everything we don't want to be, but nonetheless, have been all too often in our history and even today. I'll kill their slavers and their terrorists, but as a species they're not too different from humans. They may have a lot to learn, but so have we.

Yes, Colonist Shepards have enough reasons to hate them as a species, but even so I'd say it's a character flaw. No reason not to play such Shepards, of course, but hating a whole species for what some of its representatives have done is still a character flaw.

They let their masters do these things and do nothing to stop it, I'd have far more respect for the batarians if the atleast attempted to overthrow or rebel againist their leaders.  But no in their long history they have not, the batarians home front is built on the blood and broken bones of all those they have enslaved.

All the alien races are like humans in some way, but what can we learn from the batarians?

Modifié par OmegaXI, 03 octobre 2011 - 08:50 .

[OmegaXI]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I'll never advocate slavery. However, I'll also never advocate genocide.

Toppling the Hegemony and culturally uplifting the species would be the option I would pursue, if given the chance. It might work and it might not, and would probably end with a large portion of the batarian species dead, but the ones who survived and adapted could rebuild without old ideas like slavery and piracy holding them back. Either way I tried.

Just my 2¢ of course.

Even with my great distaste for the batarians, this is actualy a very good idea. It would be like giving them a 2nd chance as a race to try and start over.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 03 octobre 2011 - 08:49 .

[Bogsnot1]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

Bogsnot1 wrote...

Doesnt have to be well written, he just has to be voiced by Brian Blessed.

Shepard's ALIVE!!!

As the good lord said. Love they neighbour, as thyself. Unless he's Batarian, in which case, kill the bastard!

[Izhalezan]

Exterminatus is the only option for the Batarian race.

[Homey C-Dawg]

OmegaXI wrote...

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I'll never advocate slavery. However, I'll also never advocate genocide.

Toppling the Hegemony and culturally uplifting the species would be the option I would pursue, if given the chance. It might work and it might not, and would probably end with a large portion of the batarian species dead, but the ones who survived and adapted could rebuild without old ideas like slavery and piracy holding them back. Either way I tried.

Just my 2¢ of course.

Even with my great distaste for the batarians, this is actualy a very good idea. It would be like giving them a 2nd chance as a race to try and start over.

Exactly. I think their problems are cultural, not biological. Culture can be changed.

[Ieldra]

OmegaXI wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...
I've always said Batarians are humanity's dark mirror image. Everything we don't want to be, but nonetheless, have been all too often in our history and even today. I'll kill their slavers and their terrorists, but as a species they're not too different from humans. They may have a lot to learn, but so have we.

Yes, Colonist Shepards have enough reasons to hate them as a species, but even so I'd say it's a character flaw. No reason not to play such Shepards, of course, but hating a whole species for what some of its representatives have done is still a character flaw.

They let their masters do these things and do nothing to stop it, I'd have far more respect for the batarians if the atleast attempted to overthrow or rebel againist their leaders.  But no in their long history they have not, the batarians home front is built on the blood and broken bones of all those they have enslaved.

You don't know that. You only know the history of the last 200 years, and even then it's not internal history. All you can say is that there are enough batarians who support their oppressive government that no visible or irrepressible rebellions have occurred in the last 200 years. 

All the alien races are like humans in some way, but what can we learn from the batarians?

I don't know. I'd need to visit their homeworld to find out. But even if we can learn nothing from them, they don't deserve to be eradicated on the knowledge we have of them.

Edit
I support Homey C-Dawg's project of cultural change. No doubt it would involve many deaths, but that's still preferable to genocide.

Modifié par Ieldra2, 03 octobre 2011 - 09:24 .

[Arijharn]

OmegaXI wrote...

They let their masters do these things and do nothing to stop it, I'd have far more respect for the batarians if the atleast attempted to overthrow or rebel againist their leaders. 

Why would they if they've known nothing else? It's not as if aliens have freedom of movement within Batarian space; hell every Batarian we meet in game have in some way escaped the Batarian Hegemony (or given tacit approval to operateoutside Hegemony space -- such as slaver gangs etc).

I think you're forgetting something else too; there is no universal sense of morality. The western world here on Earth doesn't operate exactly like other places; why should we expect otherwise?

For all I know (in other words; strongly suspect) most Batarian's probably just want to put their head down, do their job and be suitably rewarded for it... just like everyone else. Their social mores may be different, (i.e., they may not care that much about slavery) but that still isn't something harsh enough to damn their entire civilisation for.

OmegaXI wrote...
All the alien races are like humans in some way, but what can we learn from the batarians?

Who says we 'need' to learn anything from them to begin with? Don't they have the right to exist just as much as the Krogan or anyone else?

Speaking of the Krogan though; you don't want to exterminate their species due to the mass devastation they caused in the past do you?

[Arijharn]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

I'll never advocate slavery. However, I'll also never advocate genocide.

Toppling the Hegemony and culturally uplifting the species would be the option I would pursue, if given the chance. It might work and it might not, and would probably end with a large portion of the batarian species dead, but the ones who survived and adapted could rebuild without old ideas like slavery and piracy holding them back. Either way I tried.

Just my 2¢ of course.

I had an idea like this recently. Imagine in the game you decided to 'save' the Batarian species, but during the exercise an advisor 'strongly encourages' you to destroy the central 'Hegemony HQ' building, given the option to disguise the strike as if it was the Reapers (although not without cost; say maybe you could invade the building yourself to potentially evacuate survivors but the Hegemony would remain, otherwise it would be a simple (and quick) orbital strike). Would you?

I would.

I don't want to see the Batarian species die because I think they have a right to exist. The Hegemony government though... not so much.

[DeathDragon185]

People need a race to hate. that's it really.

[azerSheppard]

guddam terrorists

[Porenferser]

DeathDragon185 wrote...

People need a race to hate. that's it really.

Well in my case its the quarians:P