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[Funkcase]

You have to wonder how many of them Batarians were innocent children that Shepard killed? All chidren are born innocent.

Modifié par Funkcase, 03 octobre 2011 - 09:06 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

JeffZero wrote...

I've been booking for an anti-hegemony batarian for a long time. The conversations would be rad.

SHEPARD: "Don't take this the wrong way but I thought all batarians served and believed in the hegemony."
BATARIAN: "Don't take this the wrong way but you're pretty dense."

The perfect solution to the growing complaint that everyone around you is 'Shepsexual'!

Especially for colonist Shepards. The conversations would be epic.

You wonder how many of them Batarians were innocent children that Shepard killed, all chidren are born innocent.

Indeed. Thats the point I was trying to make a few posts back with the cerberus daily news. It's totally a cultural thing. Raiseing a batarian with human values and you end up with a batarian who believes in human values.

I think they should have their own values of course, but minus the slavery, piracy, and bigotry, all of which are instilled in them from birth simply due to lack of alternative influence. Keep in mind the batarian hegemony keeps strict information control and the average batarian has not access to information that isn't "hegemony approved". Those destructive traits need, IMO, to be eliminated in order for their continued existence.

They're on the same self destructive path that humans were on for thousands of years. They just took it so far that by this point they would need help to see anything different.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 03 octobre 2011 - 09:21 .

[JeffZero]

Funkcase wrote...

You have to wonder how many of them Batarians were innocent children that Shepard killed? All chidren are born innocent.

Absolutely. It's grim.

[JeffZero]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

I've been booking for an anti-hegemony batarian for a long time. The conversations would be rad.

SHEPARD: "Don't take this the wrong way but I thought all batarians served and believed in the hegemony."
BATARIAN: "Don't take this the wrong way but you're pretty dense."

The perfect solution to the growing complaint that everyone around you is 'Shepsexual'!

Especially for colonist Shepards. The conversations would be epic.

Haha, yes! My main female Shepard would have a 'blast' with that conversation.

[Han Shot First]

The Batarian Hegemony is North Korea in space.

Easy to hate certainly, but I do agree with the OP in that Shepard killed a lot of innocents when he destroyed that relay. Not every Batarian would be an evil bastard deserving of having his or her cranium ventilated, even if their government is evil and oppressive, and much of the population brainwashed with anti-human propaganda.

[Ivers0803]

I find it interesting there is so much hate for Batarians for supporting slavery, but the founding fathers of America supported slavery and even owned slaves and they are seen as heroes. If you grow up in a society where slavery is the norm, slavery becomes a fact of life. America for most of its history was a nation with slaves. Throughout human history slavery and caste systems had been present, we are not proud of this history. The Batarians have not culturally passed this point.Whether we get to see this happen is anyone's guess

[StonedVolus]

Batarians >>>> Vorcha

[BatmanPWNS]

They are made so some of the people playing ME that are stupid enough to kill our own planet will choose someone else instead of us.

But I do believe that the Batarians are just what mankind was just about a century ago and I believe that even they will give up slavery when the right time comes.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 03 octobre 2011 - 09:16 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

Ivers0803 wrote...

I find it interesting there is so much hate for Batarians for supporting slavery, but the founding fathers of America supported slavery and even owned slaves and they are seen as heroes. If you grow up in a society where slavery is the norm, slavery becomes a fact of life. America for most of its history was a nation with slaves. Throughout human history slavery and caste systems had been present, we are not proud of this history. The Batarians have not culturally passed this point.Whether we get to see this happen is anyone's guess

Well said. There seem to be a lot of opinions that not knowing slavery is wrong makes someone inherently bad or even evil, dispite the fact that finding it bad at all is a fairly modern concept in human culture, only a few hundred years years ago it was widely accepted by even the most civilized societies.

[FoxShadowblade]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

They are made so some of the people playing ME that are stupid enough to kill our own planet will choose someone else instead of us.

But I do believe that the Batarians are just what mankind was just about a century ago and I believe that even they will give up slavery when the right time comes.

Doubtful. They are intelligent and advanced enough to survive without slavery, but they choose not too.

On topic more: Saying we've only met the "bad" Batarians, and are therefore biased, is wrong. We've met Batarians who are supported(not openly) and likely funded by their government to carry out terrorist attacks against Humans. The Hegemony even states that they "Don't control the actions of a few misguided patriots"

That's right, patriots.

I say crash a few more asteroids into their planets, they might get the picture after that.

Don't **** with Humans.

Modifié par FoxShadowblade, 03 octobre 2011 - 09:28 .

[Han Shot First]

I think most people hate the Batarians not just because they support slavery, but because they often raid human colonies for slaves. If the Batarians just enslaved their own they'd probably have a lot less hate directed at them. Also, since Shepard is the protagonist he's the character that players identify with most. Many versions of Shepard have a past where he was either fighting the Batarians during the Skyllian Blitz, and/or his parents were killed by Batarians on Mindoir. Also, the first encounter the player has with Batarians in game is while some of them are trying to crash a mountain-sized asteroid into a human colony world.

I think people hate them more because because they are presented as an enemy to both humanity in general and Shepard, not necessarily because they practice slavery.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 03 octobre 2011 - 09:31 .

[Tonymac]

I do not like Batarians, in all honesty.

While I may not like them, I do not think its fair to have them bent over the sawhorse with a rubber ball in their mouths as the saxaphone plays ala 'Pulp Fiction' style. Nor should they be chased out of the Galaxy while carrying their wounded on stretchers as "Duelling banjos" is playing ala Deliverance.

If we are making the decision to wipe them out then we are no better than the Emperor dealing with Gungans, or an evil Sith lord making Ewok shiskabobs.

Perhaps this is best left as an Paragon or Renegade action - however, there will be consequences. They may prove to be valuable allies, ones that we need as we face the overwhelming Reaper threat - a far greater threat than Batarian pirates and slavers. After the smoke clears we can discuss equal rights across the board for ALL galactic citizens - or the consequences of not dong so.

[Whatever42]

Batarians have a sick twisted culture. To avoid Godwin'ing this thread, I'll compare them to ancient Rome. That was a cruel, sadisitic culture where life was cheap, slavery was accepted, and violence was commonplace.

Was every Roman a *bad person*? Or course not. Were Romans themselves often victims of their own culture? Of course. If you were a victim of the Romans, however, would you sit back like a stoic philosopher and forgive the Batarians for countless acts of unfathomable violence? When armed Batarians approach you, would you take the time to determine whether they're out to harm or enslave you or if their simply their usual hostile and bad-natured selves?

Batarians may be capable of redemption but except in a single case, I have yet to really see it.

[Thompson family]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I'll compare them to ancient Rome. That was a cruel, sadisitic culture where life was cheap, slavery was accepted, and violence was commonplace.

Was every Roman a *bad person*? Or course not. Were Romans themselves often victims of their own culture? Of course.

Not a bad analogy, that.

[ADLegend21]

Porenferser wrote...

I've been reading through the forum a lot.
And especially sentences like *Yeah, we killed 300.000 Terrorists, Shepard should be rewarded, not jailed!* really make me >
I mean, yes, except for 2 or 3 exceptions we have only met Batarians that wanted to kill us.
But hasn't anyone ever realized that the only reason for that is because we only met criminal Batarians?
Remender: Normally, they are not allowed to go anywhere out of their system.
The normal Batarians are all home and do nothing, everyone else is a slaver, a mercenary, etc
No need to wish death to a whole race.

Analogy, except for Legion we've only met 'evil' Geth yet, aka Heretics, all the rest is sitting in the perseus veil.
Why is there no such 'hate' for them?

Because the Geth aren't ****s. They were attacked without provocation by the Quarians who villianized them with all this "they drove us from our homeworld!" yeah you tried to commit genocide on them so they fought back. Even ebfore humanity showed the up they were ****s. They attack the salarian colony of Mannovai and annexed a previously established Asari colony. Slavery is a BIG part of their culture which is why they attack small colonies like Mindoir and elysium so they can grab slaves and torture and do whatever to them. Their government does NOTHING to dissassociate the rest of the Batarians from them and their government is a hegemony and isolates themselves and prevents citizens from LEGALLY leaving Batarian space. You know those 300K batarains we killed? They were slavers and had slaves in that system. Good riddance, less slavers to attack an innocent colony and we delayed the Reapers. where's my medal?

[Han Shot First]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Batarians have a sick twisted culture. To avoid Godwin'ing this thread, I'll compare them to ancient Rome. That was a cruel, sadisitic culture where life was cheap, slavery was accepted, and violence was commonplace.

Was every Roman a *bad person*? Or course not. Were Romans themselves often victims of their own culture? Of course. If you were a victim of the Romans, however, would you sit back like a stoic philosopher and forgive the Batarians for countless acts of unfathomable violence? When armed Batarians approach you, would you take the time to determine whether they're out to harm or enslave you or if their simply their usual hostile and bad-natured selves?

Batarians may be capable of redemption but except in a single case, I have yet to really see it.

The Romans however, weren't any worse than any of the other civilizations or tribal cultures in the Mediterranean or Western Europe. They all practiced slavery and were ruthless towards people they conquered or defeated in battle. The Romans just happened for awhile to be better at it than everyone else in their neighborhood.

The Batarians are a bit different in that their galactic neighbors have much less repressive governments generally, and don't turn a blind eye to piracy or practice slavery.

[Almostfaceman]

Because of the Reapers, those Batarians were already dead. The Reapers killed the Batarians in that solar system, not Shepard.

[Han Shot First]

Almostfaceman wrote...

Because of the Reapers, those Batarians were already dead. The Reapers killed the Batarians in that solar system, not Shepard.

The player knows that, but not everyone else does.

It makes sense for Shepard to be Court Martialed for being some kind of war criminal.

[Almostfaceman]

Han Shot First wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Because of the Reapers, those Batarians were already dead. The Reapers killed the Batarians in that solar system, not Shepard.

The player knows that, but not everyone else does.

It makes sense for Shepard to be Court Martialed for being some kind of war criminal.

Um, I didn't say it wasn't reasonable for them to question him about it, did I? They find out soon enough he's not blowing smoke up their arses.

[eye basher]

Han Shot First wrote...

Almostfaceman wrote...

Because of the Reapers, those Batarians were already dead. The Reapers killed the Batarians in that solar system, not Shepard.

The player knows that, but not everyone else does.

It makes sense for Shepard to be Court Martialed for being some kind of war criminal.

That's what i say shepard may know that the reapers were gonna kill them anyway or worse but no one else does.

[TheJediSaint]

Oh? More of this? Pretty sure that the negativity surrounding Batarians begins and ends with the fact that Batarians have a historical hostility with the Human race, who Shepard happens to be a member of. They're not supposed to be some kind of "acceptable target" race created for players on Bioware's behalf. They are what the are simply because of in-universe history.

[Destroy Raiden_]

It's really hard to portray the N. Korea of ME as positive...you do know the batarians blame humans for everything if they get a failed crops they'd swear the death of every human they never met.

[Destroy Raiden_]

ADLegend 21 wrote...

Porenferser wrote...

I've been reading through the forum a lot.
And especially sentences like *Yeah, we killed 300.000 Terrorists, Shepard should be rewarded, not jailed!* really make me >
I mean, yes, except for 2 or 3 exceptions we have only met Batarians that wanted to kill us.
But hasn't anyone ever realized that the only reason for that is because we only met criminal Batarians?
Remender: Normally, they are not allowed to go anywhere out of their system.
The normal Batarians are all home and do nothing, everyone else is a slaver, a mercenary, etc
No need to wish death to a whole race.

Analogy, except for Legion we've only met 'evil' Geth yet, aka Heretics, all the rest is sitting in the perseus veil.
Why is there no such 'hate' for them?

Because the Geth aren't ****s. They were attacked without provocation by the Quarians who villainized them with all this "they drove us from our homeworld!" yeah you tried to commit genocide on them so they fought back. Even before humanity showed the up they were ****s. They attack the salarian colony of Mannovai and annexed a previously established Asari colony. Slavery is a BIG part of their culture which is why they attack small colonies like Mindoir and elysium so they can grab slaves and torture and do whatever to them. Their government does NOTHING to disassociate the rest of the Batarians from them and their government is a hegemony and isolates themselves and prevents citizens from LEGALLY leaving Batarian space. You know those 300K batarians we killed? They were slavers and had slaves in that system. Good riddance, less slavers to attack an innocent colony and we delayed the Reapers. where's my medal?

I'll put in a recommendation for gold I think that 300,000 may be a small number compared to however many humans the batarians have killed w/o reason or captured for quotas scene the humans and batarians met on those allegedly council pre-approved uncharted worlds after all slavery is part of their culture and they need to kidnap more. 

[Sajuro]

JeffZero wrote...

I've been booking for an anti-hegemony batarian for a long time. The conversations would be rad.

SHEPARD: "Don't take this the wrong way but I thought all batarians served and believed in the hegemony."
BATARIAN: "Don't take this the wrong way but you're pretty dense."

The perfect solution to the growing complaint that everyone around you is 'Shepsexual'!

BATARIAN: Don't take this the wrong way but I thought all humans supported the destruction of aliens.