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[DialupToaster]

krogan killed many
we should hate them but...
Wrex makes us like them

Geth killed many
we should hate them
Legion made us like them

quarians got screwed over by the council and geth
we should be neutral to them
50%like them (because of tali or they actually think it through)
50% want them dead (because of legion, huh)

we have seen only criminal batarians
we dont have an awesome squadmate
we want them all dead

huh... all they need is a squadmate.

[Homey C-Dawg]

randomchasegurney wrote...

krogan killed many
we should hate them but...
Wrex makes us like them

Geth killed many
we should hate them
Legion made us like them

quarians got screwed over by the council and geth
we should be neutral to them
50%like them (because of tali or they actually think it through)
50% want them dead (because of legion, huh)

we have seen only criminal batarians
we dont have an awesome squadmate
we want them all dead

huh... all they need is a squadmate.

My sentiments exactly. I guess people just need a group to hate on, and batarians are easy for the exact reasons you just pointed out.

[PauseforEffect]

Arrival was odd in that we weren't given much motivation to feel guilty about murdering a batarian system. While it was interesting to hear that the batarians mirror our own feelings about them, they were still portrayed as narrow-minded bigots with little aptitude for depth.
Much of the dislike is not so much from the encounters with the batarians themselves, but the impact of their actions on human NPC's and how innocent lives were destroyed or ruined by them.

[AdmiralCheez]

Batarian squaddie. Make it happen.

[tjzsf]

Founding Fathers vs Batarians, on the issue of slavery:
1. Products of their time. Back in the time of the American Revolution, plenty of other nations allowed slavery. America was hardly unique in this regard. In addition, they took slaves from Africa, which also allowed slavery (fun fact: the leader of the revolt on the slave ship Amistad returned to Africa as a slave trader after his trial). The batarians, on the other hand, are the only "civilized" Citadel race that practices slavery. In addition, they take slaves from other species who don't share their beliefs.
2. Ubiquitousness of beliefs. I can disprove the assertion that the Founding Fathers practiced slavery by pointing out that a decently sized subset of them were against it. Even prior to the Civil War, it was treated as a "peculiar institution" that everyone had to grasp at straws to justify. There is, however, nothing that suggests any batarians are against their slavery system. To the contrary, all authoritative sources indicate it is as the batarians themselves say, an intrinsic part of their culture.
2a. Repentence. The US no longer practices slavery. The Alliance also does not practice slavery. The Hegemony does, and has argued that anti-slavery laws are discriminatory.
3. Pussiness. There is no ground to any of the claims the Hegemony has made against humanity. The lands humans supposedly "stole" from them were part of the frontier; the Hegemony just happened to have gotten a head start on settling it, which doesn't make it theirs. They attacked the humans first after the Council didn't buy their BS, then whined when the humans ended up winning. So, really, nothing unjust happened to the batarians. They're the space power equivalent of the bully who gets his comeuppance and runs home crying "no fair, they hit me back".

tldr version: no, humans are not just as bad as the batarians. yes, humans can judge.

[tjzsf]

Addendum: much of the dislike stems from the fact that everything they blame the humans for is actually their own damn fault.

[saMoorai]

Do I need to spread Batarian Love through pictures once again?

[Flashflame58]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

Do I need to spread Batarian Love through pictures once again?

Yes. I think you do.

[Customz]

OmegaXI wrote...

I enjoy mowing down hordes of batarians, every batarian I kill is one less slaver or merc in the universe. And as for the Batarians people who let this horrible system of slavery continue, well they are jus tas responsible as their leaders. The batarian people have not tried to change or reform their slave society so they will share the punishment.

You do realize this philosophy means you would have exterminated all europeans and americans a few centuries ago and all germans who were alive during WW2? Actually considering you don't know if batarian slaves ("in-race" slavery) happen to all come from one region, it would actually mean you'd advocate terminating humanity as it was back then.

Modifié par Customz, 04 octobre 2011 - 02:55 .

[saMoorai]

 Just remember, Through Batarian love you can have copious amounts of HATE SEX with this.

Modifié par saMOOrai182, 04 octobre 2011 - 02:58 .

[Homey C-Dawg]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Batarian squaddie. Make it happen.

Agreed. Darchas Clark for squadmate!

[Flashflame58]

saMOOrai182 wrote...

 Just remember, Through Batarian love you can have copious amounts of HATE SEX with this.

What is this? I don't even...

[TheBlackBaron]

What's that? I can't hear you over the sound of all these Cyclonic Torpedoes I'm launching at the Batarian homeworld.

[Zakatak757]

Hey now, that Batarian at the Omega Market was pretty chill. Also, Garrus had a Batarian technician on his little team of vigilantes.

Modifié par Zakatak757, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:08 .

[marshalleck]

Hilarious. All these people whining about batarian slavery and the Hegemony, then in the same breath they go and espouse some cultural imperialism with talk of overthrowing the batarian government and letting their people "start over." How ****ing arrogant can you get? Who says they need your liberation, or need to 'reset' to some human standard?

Here's a thought: let the batarians worry about batarians. They can govern themselves, and their government will be one befitting their culture. Trying to force them into some other species' standard of acceptable social norms just as foul an attitude as the particularly hostile and racist tone batarians direct at humans. No wonder.

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:12 .

[Flashflame58]

marshalleck wrote...

Hilarious. All these people whining about batarian slavery and the Hegemony, then in the same breath they go and espouse some cultural imperialism with talk of overthrowing the batarian government and letting their people "start over." How ****ing arrogant can you get? Who says they need your liberation, or need to 'reset' to some human standard?

Here's a thought: let the batarians worry about batarians. They can govern themselves, and their government will be one befitting their culture. Trying to force them into some other species' standard of acceptable social norms just as foul an attitude as the particularly hostile and racist tone batarians direct at humans. No wonder.

marshalleck: BSN voice of reason since 2009

[Homey C-Dawg]

marshalleck wrote...

Hilarious. All these people whining about batarian slavery and the Hegemony, then in the same breath they go and espouse some cultural imperialism with talk of overthrowing the batarian government and letting their people "start over." How ****ing arrogant can you get? Who says they need your liberation, or need to 'reset' to some human standard?

Here's a thought: let the batarians worry about batarians. They can govern themselves, and their government will be one befitting their culture. Trying to force them into some other species' standard of acceptable social norms just as foul an attitude as the particularly hostile and racist tone batarians direct at humans. No wonder.

That would be great if they wern't negatively affecting humans by taking us as slaves. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. If they could keep their business to themselves, it would be a different story.

As it stands, I think they need to conform to what every other race has settled on (meaning co-existence) or be wiped out because they are an ever-present threat. I'm with Mordin when he says that just because a race is thuggish doesn't mean they deserve to be wiped out.

[Drone223]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

randomchasegurney wrote...

krogan killed many
we should hate them but...
Wrex makes us like them

Geth killed many
we should hate them
Legion made us like them

quarians got screwed over by the council and geth
we should be neutral to them
50%like them (because of tali or they actually think it through)
50% want them dead (because of legion, huh)

we have seen only criminal batarians
we dont have an awesome squadmate
we want them all dead

huh... all they need is a squadmate.

My sentiments exactly. I guess people just need a group to hate on, and batarians are easy for the exact reasons you just pointed out.

It would be great if Bioware actually lets us talk to some Baterian slaves and civilians instead of Pirates and slaver's etc to give us another perspective of the Baterian race, We know more about the Geth with Legion so the same should apply with Baterians 

[Bogsnot1]

Batarian squadmate voiced by Brian Blessed.

He'll be more awesome than Wrex and Garrus combined.

[capn233]

"You're working too hard."

[Sajuro]

Homey C-Dawg wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Hilarious. All these people whining about batarian slavery and the Hegemony, then in the same breath they go and espouse some cultural imperialism with talk of overthrowing the batarian government and letting their people "start over." How ****ing arrogant can you get? Who says they need your liberation, or need to 'reset' to some human standard?

Here's a thought: let the batarians worry about batarians. They can govern themselves, and their government will be one befitting their culture. Trying to force them into some other species' standard of acceptable social norms just as foul an attitude as the particularly hostile and racist tone batarians direct at humans. No wonder.

That would be great if they wern't negatively affecting humans by taking us as slaves. Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away. If they could keep their business to themselves, it would be a different story.

As it stands, I think they need to conform to what every other race has settled on (meaning co-existence) or be wiped out because they are an ever-present threat. I'm with Mordin when he says that just because a race is thuggish doesn't mean they deserve to be wiped out.

This is a job for liberty prime
Liberty Prime: Embrace Freedom, or you WILL BE ERADICATED

[CrazyCatDude]

marshalleck wrote...

Hilarious. All these people whining about batarian slavery and the Hegemony, then in the same breath they go and espouse some cultural imperialism with talk of overthrowing the batarian government and letting their people "start over." How ****ing arrogant can you get? Who says they need your liberation, or need to 'reset' to some human standard?

Here's a thought: let the batarians worry about batarians. They can govern themselves, and their government will be one befitting their culture. Trying to force them into some other species' standard of acceptable social norms just as foul an attitude as the particularly hostile and racist tone batarians direct at humans. No wonder.

The problem is, the Batarians are trying to impose their standards on other cultures.  Batarians view slavery as a part of their social system.  Okay, fine.  As long as they only enslave other Batarians, much as I hate it, I'm willing to stomach it.

But then there's Mindoir, and every other human colony they hit for slave raids.  And every Asari colony they hit.  And every Turian colony they hit. Etc, etc.

Simply put, however nice and fluffy individual Batarians might be, the Batarian Hegemony needs to be curb stomped into oblivion, because they are endoring this crap, in the name of their "cultural rights."

Are their parts of Batarian culture that are worth preserving?  Yeah, I'm sure their are, but there are also large parts of it that need to be riped out, root and branch, and if the Batarians aren't willing to do it themselves, sooner or later, the Coucil needs to man up and send in the freaking Dreadnaughts.

[Porenferser]

How about a compromise, they sell them vorcha as slaves?

[SandTrout]

Batarians = Threat.

It really doesn't need to be more complicated than mutually exclusive interests.