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[Han Shot First]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

Batarian squaddie. Make it happen.

This!

If written well, dialogue with a Batarian squad mate could be a lot of fun. This is especially true considering Shepard would be hated in many Batarian circles (Savior of Elysium, Butcher of Korfan, Destroyer of Worlds) and Shepard may not be too fond of Batarians either. (Savior of Elysium, Mindoir Survivor)

That is bound to create a lot of tension and mistrust at first.

Are their parts of Batarian culture that are worth preserving?  Yeah, I'm sure their are, but there are also large parts of it that need to be riped out, root and branch, and if the Batarians aren't willing to do it themselves, sooner or later, the Coucil needs to man up and send in the freaking Dreadnaughts.

I do agree with this.

If the Batarians don't quit raiding human colonies for slaves follwing the Reaper War AND release all humans currently enslaved, the Alliance should press the Council for autorization of military action against the Batarians. Humanity certainly has casus belli.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 04 octobre 2011 - 11:01 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

Porenferser wrote...

DeathDragon185 wrote...

People need a race to hate. that's it really.

Well in my case its the quarians:P

For me it's the Geth and ...reapers...and Asari....and a liitle hate for quarians.

I really hope we can do a X-wing run on the Geth Dyson Shepere and BLOW IT UP!
Then blow up the Asari home planet.
Then everything else....

[BlueMagitek]

I'm guessing a Batarian Squadmate would suffer the same as Nathanial Howe did unless Bioware gave you a reason to keep him alive. >_>

[Porenferser]

BlueMagitek wrote...

I'm guessing a Batarian Squadmate would suffer the same as Nathanial Howe did unless Bioware gave you a reason to keep him alive. >_>

So you hanged him at the first playthrough?
I did it too, out of blind hate to the name *Howe*, but you should give him a chance, he is nothing like his daddy.

(Just a little OT)

[SnowHeart1]

I never kill potentially squaddies or companions on a first playthrough. A Batarian squaddie would be awesome!

Shep: God, I'm so glad I had to wreck that Mass Relay. You realize how many people I lost on Torfan wiping out those Batarians? Yeah... revenge is nice.
Batarian Squaddie: Shepard, you realize I'm standing right here, don't you? Two of my cousins were killed on Torfan, and my sister was in the Bahak system when it blew.
Shep: Yeah... yeah I do. Now shut up and get your slimy butt in there! We got Batarian mercs to kill!

Anyway... there are always at least two sides to every story. I think we saw a little bit of the Batarians' story in ME. We also saw Batarians who were willing to see a different side of humanity in ME2 (during Mordin's recruitment mission). But, fundamentally... they're slavers, and it doesn't sound like they even bother to dress it up in some noble bit of nonsense. Pretty much lowest of the low. Galaxy is better off without them.

[Valdrane78]

Porenferser wrote...

I've been reading through the forum a lot.
And especially sentences like *Yeah, we killed 300.000 Terrorists, Shepard should be rewarded, not jailed!* really make me >
I mean, yes, except for 2 or 3 exceptions we have only met Batarians that wanted to kill us.
But hasn't anyone ever realized that the only reason for that is because we only met criminal Batarians?
Remender: Normally, they are not allowed to go anywhere out of their system.
The normal Batarians are all home and do nothing, everyone else is a slaver, a mercenary, etc
No need to wish death to a whole race.

Analogy, except for Legion we've only met 'evil' Geth yet, aka Heretics, all the rest is sitting in the perseus veil.
Why is there no such 'hate' for them?

You are forgetting that the Batarian government funded pirates and slavers in the attack on Elysium, which is just as bad as if they had attacked themselves.  On top of that, who knows how many human slaves they have on their planet.  Taking human slaves is the only reason I need for hating them, not to mention unprovoked attack son Salarian colonies, annexing an independant Asari colony and several skirmishes with Council forces on different planets, the last 3 was before humans even entered into the galactic community.  They have been a rogue element for a very long time.

[TheGreenAlloy]

OmegaXI wrote...

Ieldra2 wrote...

I've always said Batarians are humanity's dark mirror image. Everything we don't want to be, but nonetheless, have been all too often in our history and even today. I'll kill their slavers and their terrorists, but as a species they're not too different from humans. They may have a lot to learn, but so have we.

Yes, Colonist Shepards have enough reasons to hate them as a species, but even so I'd say it's a character flaw. No reason not to play such Shepards, of course, but hating a whole species for what some of its representatives have done is still a character flaw.

They let their masters do these things and do nothing to stop it, I'd have far more respect for the batarians if the atleast attempted to overthrow or rebel againist their leaders.  But no in their long history they have not, the batarians home front is built on the blood and broken bones of all those they have enslaved.

All the alien races are like humans in some way, but what can we learn from the batarians?

You don't know that.

[Varus Praetor]

Slavery is an integral part of Batarian culture. Forgive me if I don't shed many tears for the Batarians I wiped out (which would have been killed/converted by the Reapers anyway).

[marshalleck]

CrazyCatDude wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Hilarious. All these people whining about batarian slavery and the Hegemony, then in the same breath they go and espouse some cultural imperialism with talk of overthrowing the batarian government and letting their people "start over." How ****ing arrogant can you get? Who says they need your liberation, or need to 'reset' to some human standard?

Here's a thought: let the batarians worry about batarians. They can govern themselves, and their government will be one befitting their culture. Trying to force them into some other species' standard of acceptable social norms just as foul an attitude as the particularly hostile and racist tone batarians direct at humans. No wonder.

The problem is, the Batarians are trying to impose their standards on other cultures.  Batarians view slavery as a part of their social system.  Okay, fine.  As long as they only enslave other Batarians, much as I hate it, I'm willing to stomach it.

But then there's Mindoir, and every other human colony they hit for slave raids.  And every Asari colony they hit.  And every Turian colony they hit. Etc, etc.

Simply put, however nice and fluffy individual Batarians might be, the Batarian Hegemony needs to be curb stomped into oblivion, because they are endoring this crap, in the name of their "cultural rights."

Are their parts of Batarian culture that are worth preserving?  Yeah, I'm sure their are, but there are also large parts of it that need to be riped out, root and branch, and if the Batarians aren't willing to do it themselves, sooner or later, the Coucil needs to man up and send in the freaking Dreadnaughts.

And I never said anything about not defending our own colonies. I'll endorse as many Torfans and exploding relays as it takes to make the message clear. What I'm not going to get behind is interstellar nation-building. If you think Afghanistan and Iraq are endless quagmires, imagine the logistical problems on an interstellar scale.

Modifié par marshalleck, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:57 .

[lovgreno]

Batarians, like all aliens in ME, are not realy aliens but more like a representative of some kind of real life humans. Volus are the traders, batarians are terrorists, turians are the military, quarians are the refugees, humans are the new kid on the block etc... So if you don't like batarians remember that you are looking into a mirror. Supremacists and elitists find it uncomfortable to see that their negative sides actualy exists of course but the rest of us have to live in the harsh reality.

Edit: I got this suspicion that BioWare gave us a dark wiev of the batarians just so they will make some batarian hero save Shepard and the galaxy in ME3... And then they can include the trollface in their logo.

Modifié par lovgreno, 04 octobre 2011 - 05:19 .

[Lord Jaric]

The whole "yay, I killed 300,000 terrorist" is pretty flawed when only 90,000 of the population were free, the other 210,000 were listed as other.

[BlueMagitek]

Porenferser wrote...

BlueMagitek wrote...

I'm guessing a Batarian Squadmate would suffer the same as Nathanial Howe did unless Bioware gave you a reason to keep him alive. >_>

So you hanged him at the first playthrough?
I did it too, out of blind hate to the name *Howe*, but you should give him a chance, he is nothing like his daddy.

(Just a little OT)

No, actually, I didn't play the Human Noble the first run through, so I didn't know why there was so much hatred towards the guy before I came here.

[Homey C-Dawg]

lovgreno wrote...
...I got this suspicion that BioWare gave us a dark wiev of the batarians just so they will make some batarian hero save Shepard and the galaxy in ME3... And then they can include the trollface in their logo.

That would be so awesome. I love the "unlikely ally" trope.

Edit- Well, not if the batarian actually does Shepard's job, just him deciding to help despite the human/batarian releationship. Nothing like an outside threat (reapers) to bring down the barriers.

Modifié par Homey C-Dawg, 04 octobre 2011 - 08:43 .

[Legbiter]

All batarians must die!

[Mako Zalos]

I'm with the squad mate people. I don't care how temporary or permanent the batarian is so long as we get one and see him more than just one time.

[Arppis]

Ieldra2 wrote...

DeathDragon185 wrote...
People need a race to hate. that's it really.

Do they? In-game, I don't hate any species. I hate the concept of the asari as omnisexual blue-skinned space babes, but that doesn't transfer to the asari in the game.

I don't hate any race either. Not even the Reapers. Why should I?

...I hate individuals. But even in video games? I don't hate any video game individuals. I save my hate for real life poopie faces!

[Arijharn]

OmegaXI wrote...
If their entire civilization is based off of the enslavement of others than, yes it is a reason to damn their entire civilization. The current batarian system must be completely brought down for their civilization to start again.
People defend the batarians but do not defend those who they enslaved.

That attitude is as extremist as the one you wish to stop. Attack and stop the actual slavers and their infrastructure, don't attack and quarantine their civilisation. 

[Kaiser Shepard]

I'm pretty sure this is the real reason:

[NPH11]

lovgreno wrote...

Batarians, like all aliens in ME, are not realy aliens but more like a representative of some kind of real life humans. Volus are the traders, batarians are terrorists, turians are the military, quarians are the refugees, humans are the new kid on the block etc... So if you don't like batarians remember that you are looking into a mirror. Supremacists and elitists find it uncomfortable to see that their negative sides actualy exists of course but the rest of us have to live in the harsh reality.

Edit: I got this suspicion that BioWare gave us a dark wiev of the batarians just so they will make some batarian hero save Shepard and the galaxy in ME3... And then they can include the trollface in their logo.

I hate terrorists as well. I'm not sure what you're trying to argue by saying that Batarians are a reflection of human terrorists.

I'm willing to agree that the races each represent a part of humanity, but if some races represent those negative sides, I'm gonna hate them.

Modifié par NPH11, 07 octobre 2011 - 02:32 .

[Arijharn]

lol. poignant and awesome.

[bobdooly]

marshalleck wrote...

CrazyCatDude wrote...

marshalleck wrote...

Hilarious. All these people whining about batarian slavery and the Hegemony, then in the same breath they go and espouse some cultural imperialism with talk of overthrowing the batarian government and letting their people "start over." How ****ing arrogant can you get? Who says they need your liberation, or need to 'reset' to some human standard?

Here's a thought: let the batarians worry about batarians. They can govern themselves, and their government will be one befitting their culture. Trying to force them into some other species' standard of acceptable social norms just as foul an attitude as the particularly hostile and racist tone batarians direct at humans. No wonder.

The problem is, the Batarians are trying to impose their standards on other cultures.  Batarians view slavery as a part of their social system.  Okay, fine.  As long as they only enslave other Batarians, much as I hate it, I'm willing to stomach it.

But then there's Mindoir, and every other human colony they hit for slave raids.  And every Asari colony they hit.  And every Turian colony they hit. Etc, etc.

Simply put, however nice and fluffy individual Batarians might be, the Batarian Hegemony needs to be curb stomped into oblivion, because they are endoring this crap, in the name of their "cultural rights."

Are their parts of Batarian culture that are worth preserving?  Yeah, I'm sure their are, but there are also large parts of it that need to be riped out, root and branch, and if the Batarians aren't willing to do it themselves, sooner or later, the Coucil needs to man up and send in the freaking Dreadnaughts.

And I never said anything about not defending our own colonies. I'll endorse as many Torfans and exploding relays as it takes to make the message clear. What I'm not going to get behind is interstellar nation-building. If you think Afghanistan and Iraq are endless quagmires, imagine the logistical problems on an interstellar scale.

Since I have nothing better to do...

What's more effective for defence? Defending their colonies when they are hit whaere much lives are lost and enslaved, or take out the major funders of the pirate ops (the Hegemony it seems like) and take out the pirates on your terms while they are in a weakened and disorganized state?

[JedTed]

That sick batarian in the slums wasn't nessicarily a merc. Neither were the ones who assaulted Mordin's assistant, they thought he was spreading the plague(a common mistake for any uneducated individual).

So far however they've made it very easy to hate the batarians because of everything they've done.

[spirosz]

JedTed wrote...

That sick batarian in the slums wasn't nessicarily a merc. Neither were the ones who assaulted Mordin's assistant, they thought he was spreading the plague(a common mistake for any uneducated individual).

So far however they've made it very easy to hate the batarians because of everything they've done.

That scene IMO has nothing with being "educated", they were going off emotional instict and their own impusle. I don't blame them for reacting the way they did because if I was in their position, I would probably freak out too. We don't know who those Batarians lost during the plague either, which could also affect their actions.

I personally don't dislike the Batarians, but I do dislike one's that attack colonies or the ones being mercs, but I can say that to any other species, including humans.  I really don't understand the mindset of hating an entire species based off the actions of certain individuals. They aren't representing the Batarians as a whole, they're representing themselves (or groups who follow the same ideal) and their own motives and goals, that's just the way I see it anyway.  

+1 for Batarian squadmate!!!!!  

[Han Shot First]

delete please

Modifié par Han Shot First, 07 octobre 2011 - 05:00 .