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[Han Shot First]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I'm pretty sure this is the real reason:

Is that fanart or one of the Batarian propaganda posters seen in Arrival? Either way, that is awesome.

I don't remember that one in particular from the game, but I did love the Batarian propaganda. It almost looks like something out of the Eastern Block in the 1950s or 1960s, or sadly, North Korea today.

[TCBC_Freak]

OmegaXI wrote...

I enjoy mowing down hordes of batarians, every batarian I kill is one less slaver or merc in the universe. And as for the Batarians people who let this horrible system of slavery continue, well they are jus tas responsible as their leaders. The batarian people have not tried to change or reform their slave society so they will share the punishment.

My ruthless colonial Shep. is the thing of bataian nightmares, he took no prisoners of torfon, attacked the batarian at every chance, and destroyed an entire batarian system. And all of this could have been avoided if the bataians did not kill his entire family during a slave raid.

Have fun trying to defend the batarian race as a whole, while I on the other hand will have fun breaking them. Tha galaxy will be a better place once the batarians as we now know them are defeated. Also enjoy defending those who practice slavery and enslave others againist their will, while you are defending the batarians you say nothing about the plight of their slaves.

Bioware has not provided us with any information about the batarians at home, so they could be just as bad as all the other batarians we have killed. And these Batarians on their home world let their corrupt sytem to continue so yes this is enough to invoke the punishment of their entire race by my Sheperd. They are guilty for doing nothing to stop the slave raids on other alien races, for letting their slave sytem to continue, and not raising up againist the people who rule them. Death to thier race will serve as a reminder to all others what will happen if they choose to follow same path.

Wow, just wow. This is one of the most rasict comments I've read in a long time.

You're probably the kind of person who hates everyone in Afganistan because Osama Bin Ladan came from there, after all those Afgan people didn't stop him from doing 9-11 so they are all responsible.

You just said in your post that we know nothing about the Batarian's at home, the people could have had a dozen civil wars where the people tried to stop the slave actions of their government that were beaten down and resulted in the death of hundreds of good people fighting for the rights of the slaves.

[SandTrout]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Wow, just wow. This is one of the most rasict comments I've read in a long time.

You're probably the kind of person who hates everyone in Afganistan because Osama Bin Ladan came from there, after all those Afgan people didn't stop him from doing 9-11 so they are all responsible.

Bin Ladin is a Saud, not Afghani, and most of the terrorists that have been responsible for attacks against the US have been Sauds as well, and from the stories that I've heard from that place, the world probably would be a better place without them.

You just said in your post that we know nothing about the Batarian's at home, the people could have had a dozen civil wars where the people tried to stop the slave actions of their government that were beaten down and resulted in the death of hundreds of good people fighting for the rights of the slaves.

There are apparently not enough people on the Batarian world that are willing to simply stop aiding their government's destructive path, and enough that actively endorse it to keep those few in line. Governments do not have the habbits that the Hegemony does in isloation from the internal culture of the nation.

[Arijharn]

Wouldn't he hate Saudi Arabia too?

But I agree with the basic thrust of your post... TCBC.

EDIT: Ninja'd by SandTrout, although I think the rest of Sand's post is sort of... shocking. 

Modifié par Arijharn, 09 octobre 2011 - 09:15 .

[SandTrout]

EDIT: Ninja'd by SandTrout, although I think the rest of Sand's post is sort of... shocking.

The stuff about Saudi Arabia is probably news to you, and I'd rather just cut all trade ties with them, really, rather than some genocidal campaign. My position on the Hegemony has been pretty consistent, though.

[Iron Star]

WARNING: the link contains possible spoilers for me3

I'm pretty sure we'll have SOMETHING to do with them in me3, especially since they have this: http://masseffect.wi...eviathan_of_Dis

Modifié par Get fired up, 09 octobre 2011 - 09:38 .

[SandTrout]

Speculation on the significance of a possible Chekhov's Gun isn't a 'possible spoiler'. It is just speculation. Claiming that your speculation is a 'possible spoiler' is just inflating your ego, and a rather crude means to do so.

If you don't actually know what happens, it's not a spoiler.

[TCBC_Freak]

SandTrout wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Wow, just wow. This is one of the most rasict comments I've read in a long time.

You're probably the kind of person who hates everyone in Afganistan because Osama Bin Ladan came from there, after all those Afgan people didn't stop him from doing 9-11 so they are all responsible.

Bin Ladin is a Saud, not Afghani, and most of the terrorists that have been responsible for attacks against the US have been Sauds as well, and from the stories that I've heard from that place, the world probably would be a better place without them.

You just said in your post that we know nothing about the Batarian's at home, the people could have had a dozen civil wars where the people tried to stop the slave actions of their government that were beaten down and resulted in the death of hundreds of good people fighting for the rights of the slaves.

There are apparently not enough people on the Batarian world that are willing to simply stop aiding their government's destructive path, and enough that actively endorse it to keep those few in line. Governments do not have the habbits that the Hegemony does in isloation from the internal culture of the nation.

Way to miss my point. I was saying that not knowing about a group and about the people in it (or not in it in the case of Osama) can lead to being ignorant and misjudging a whole people. An in game example - All Turians should die because Saran was a Turian and willingly served the Reapers and attacked Edan Prime.

Modifié par TCBC_Freak, 09 octobre 2011 - 09:47 .

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

I have no qualms with the Batarians, I actually like the pleasant ones. I would love to have one as a squaddie or LI. I find them more interesting than most of the ME races.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

Actually, without being in the whole batarian hate things I don't see where you met the pleasant ones.
The better things I heard about them was an Asari telling her batarian father has been a good father.

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

Kakita Tatsumaru wrote...

Actually, without being in the whole batarian hate things I don't see where you met the pleasant ones.
The better things I heard about them was an Asari telling her batarian father has been a good father.

Sgt. Cathka was pleasant to talk to, Marsh the merchant was nice also and the sick Batarian was very grateful for your help, that is if you told someone about him. Not all Batarians are scum, there's scum in every race (admittedly some more than others).

[OmegaXI]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

I enjoy mowing down hordes of batarians, every batarian I kill is one less slaver or merc in the universe. And as for the Batarians people who let this horrible system of slavery continue, well they are jus tas responsible as their leaders. The batarian people have not tried to change or reform their slave society so they will share the punishment.

My ruthless colonial Shep. is the thing of bataian nightmares, he took no prisoners of torfon, attacked the batarian at every chance, and destroyed an entire batarian system. And all of this could have been avoided if the bataians did not kill his entire family during a slave raid.

Have fun trying to defend the batarian race as a whole, while I on the other hand will have fun breaking them. Tha galaxy will be a better place once the batarians as we now know them are defeated. Also enjoy defending those who practice slavery and enslave others againist their will, while you are defending the batarians you say nothing about the plight of their slaves.

Bioware has not provided us with any information about the batarians at home, so they could be just as bad as all the other batarians we have killed. And these Batarians on their home world let their corrupt sytem to continue so yes this is enough to invoke the punishment of their entire race by my Sheperd. They are guilty for doing nothing to stop the slave raids on other alien races, for letting their slave sytem to continue, and not raising up againist the people who rule them. Death to thier race will serve as a reminder to all others what will happen if they choose to follow same path.

Wow, just wow. This is one of the most rasict comments I've read in a long time.

You're probably the kind of person who hates everyone in Afganistan because Osama Bin Ladan came from there, after all those Afgan people didn't stop him from doing 9-11 so they are all responsible.

You just said in your post that we know nothing about the Batarian's at home, the people could have had a dozen civil wars where the people tried to stop the slave actions of their government that were beaten down and resulted in the death of hundreds of good people fighting for the rights of the slaves.

First off you know nothing of me or my real life politics or views, and 2nd off Osama Bin Ladan was a Saudi.

And I see no where in your post defending the Batarians that you even care about those they enslaved, so you defend the slaver and not the slave.  I just sit back and wonder how you can spout your egalitarian view of the Batarians but then you can let your morals turn a blind eye to all those who they forced into slavery.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 09 octobre 2011 - 10:37 .

[TobyHasEyes]

OmegaXI wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

I enjoy mowing down hordes of batarians, every batarian I kill is one less slaver or merc in the universe. And as for the Batarians people who let this horrible system of slavery continue, well they are jus tas responsible as their leaders. The batarian people have not tried to change or reform their slave society so they will share the punishment.

My ruthless colonial Shep. is the thing of bataian nightmares, he took no prisoners of torfon, attacked the batarian at every chance, and destroyed an entire batarian system. And all of this could have been avoided if the bataians did not kill his entire family during a slave raid.

Have fun trying to defend the batarian race as a whole, while I on the other hand will have fun breaking them. Tha galaxy will be a better place once the batarians as we now know them are defeated. Also enjoy defending those who practice slavery and enslave others againist their will, while you are defending the batarians you say nothing about the plight of their slaves.

Bioware has not provided us with any information about the batarians at home, so they could be just as bad as all the other batarians we have killed. And these Batarians on their home world let their corrupt sytem to continue so yes this is enough to invoke the punishment of their entire race by my Sheperd. They are guilty for doing nothing to stop the slave raids on other alien races, for letting their slave sytem to continue, and not raising up againist the people who rule them. Death to thier race will serve as a reminder to all others what will happen if they choose to follow same path.

Wow, just wow. This is one of the most rasict comments I've read in a long time.

You're probably the kind of person who hates everyone in Afganistan because Osama Bin Ladan came from there, after all those Afgan people didn't stop him from doing 9-11 so they are all responsible.

You just said in your post that we know nothing about the Batarian's at home, the people could have had a dozen civil wars where the people tried to stop the slave actions of their government that were beaten down and resulted in the death of hundreds of good people fighting for the rights of the slaves.

First off you know nothing of me or my real life politics or views, and 2nd off Osama Bin Ladan was a Saudi.

And I see no where in your post defending the Batarians that you even care about those they enslaved, so you defend the slaver and not the slave.  I just sit back and wonder how you can spout your egalitarian view of the Batarians but then you can let your morals turn a blind eye to all those who they forced into slavery.

 Including all those Batarians forced into slavery by other Batarians.. oh wait, I am guessing they don't count to you due to their species

 If you think slavery is wrong, then you can't hate all Batarians. That is like hating all 17th century humans because there was slavery.. despite the fact a lot of the humans at the time were the victims ( I am aware slavery stil continues, but its widespread and government-sanctioned nature in the 17th century is more akin to Batarian examples)

[SandTrout]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Way to miss my point. I was saying that not knowing about a group and about the people in it (or not in it in the case of Osama) can lead to being ignorant and misjudging a whole people. An in game example - All Turians should die because Saran was a Turian and willingly served the Reapers and attacked Edan Prime.

Saren was a single turian who was recognized as rogue and prosecuted once his actions were uncovered. His actions are that of an individual, and are notably contrasted against the actions of most other Turians we have met and the Codex's statements about their culture.

The Hegemony has been systematically supporting raids against Human colonies for the purpose of terror and enslavement of the population. This judgement is not based on just one idividual like Balak, but of the clear history of their pattern of behavior endorsed by their government.

Your analogy is inappropriate.

[TCBC_Freak]

OmegaXI wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

OmegaXI wrote...

I enjoy mowing down hordes of batarians, every batarian I kill is one less slaver or merc in the universe. And as for the Batarians people who let this horrible system of slavery continue, well they are jus tas responsible as their leaders. The batarian people have not tried to change or reform their slave society so they will share the punishment.

My ruthless colonial Shep. is the thing of bataian nightmares, he took no prisoners of torfon, attacked the batarian at every chance, and destroyed an entire batarian system. And all of this could have been avoided if the bataians did not kill his entire family during a slave raid.

Have fun trying to defend the batarian race as a whole, while I on the other hand will have fun breaking them. Tha galaxy will be a better place once the batarians as we now know them are defeated. Also enjoy defending those who practice slavery and enslave others againist their will, while you are defending the batarians you say nothing about the plight of their slaves.

Bioware has not provided us with any information about the batarians at home, so they could be just as bad as all the other batarians we have killed. And these Batarians on their home world let their corrupt sytem to continue so yes this is enough to invoke the punishment of their entire race by my Sheperd. They are guilty for doing nothing to stop the slave raids on other alien races, for letting their slave sytem to continue, and not raising up againist the people who rule them. Death to thier race will serve as a reminder to all others what will happen if they choose to follow same path.

Wow, just wow. This is one of the most rasict comments I've read in a long time.

You're probably the kind of person who hates everyone in Afganistan because Osama Bin Ladan came from there, after all those Afgan people didn't stop him from doing 9-11 so they are all responsible.

You just said in your post that we know nothing about the Batarian's at home, the people could have had a dozen civil wars where the people tried to stop the slave actions of their government that were beaten down and resulted in the death of hundreds of good people fighting for the rights of the slaves.

First off you know nothing of me or my real life politics or views, and 2nd off Osama Bin Ladan was a Saudi.

And I see no where in your post defending the Batarians that you even care about those they enslaved, so you defend the slaver and not the slave.  I just sit back and wonder how you can spout your egalitarian view of the Batarians but then you can let your morals turn a blind eye to all those who they forced into slavery.

You know the planet discription of that little world where you killed 300,000 Batarians that you are so glad you did. In the discription is states that only about 90,000 of those people where "free," the other 210,000 where slaves, where is your care about those slaves?? Many of them many have been Humans too, think about that.

Oh and by the way you missed my point with the whole Osama thing; As I said later in my next post, I was saying that not knowing about a group and about the people in it (or not in it in the case of Osama) can lead to being ignorant and misjudging a whole people. An in game example - All Turians should die because Saran was a Turian and willingly served the Reapers and attacked Edan Prime.

You know nothing about the Batarians in reality, and you judge them worth killing. I know nothing about the Batarians really, so I keep from judging them as a whole people. That's the diffrence between us as I see it.

Also, your logic that the slaves (or, aka, the majority of the people on Batarian worlds) don't rise up and that is grounds for killing them all is flawed as well. Most Batarians are slaves to their government.

Modifié par TCBC_Freak, 09 octobre 2011 - 10:57 .

[TCBC_Freak]

SandTrout wrote...

TCBC_Freak wrote...

Way to miss my point. I was saying that not knowing about a group and about the people in it (or not in it in the case of Osama) can lead to being ignorant and misjudging a whole people. An in game example - All Turians should die because Saran was a Turian and willingly served the Reapers and attacked Edan Prime.

Saren was a single turian who was recognized as rogue and prosecuted once his actions were uncovered. His actions are that of an individual, and are notably contrasted against the actions of most other Turians we have met and the Codex's statements about their culture.

The Hegemony has been systematically supporting raids against Human colonies for the purpose of terror and enslavement of the population. This judgement is not based on just one idividual like Balak, but of the clear history of their pattern of behavior endorsed by their government.

Your analogy is inappropriate.

Your point is noted, I'm aware that it is a flawed analogy. But you are correct, and I concead that point. Though their are others I could give, Legion and the Geth for example. Still a constructive, non-arguminative, post, thank you.

[Kakita Tatsumaru]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

Sgt. Cathka was pleasant to talk to, Marsh the merchant was nice also and the sick Batarian was very grateful for your help, that is if you told someone about him. Not all Batarians are scum, there's scum in every race (admittedly some more than others).

Cathka is from the blue suns which gives him a grey morality at best, so I can't say he's really a nice guy, and the sick Batarian is agressive when you met him, but you're right about Marsh, I forgot about him.

[OmegaXI]

TCBC_Freak wrote...


You know the planet discription of that little world where you killed 300,000 Batarians that you are so glad you did. In the discription is states that only about 90,000 of those people where "free," the other 210,000 where slaves, where is your care about those slaves?? Many of them many have been Humans too, think about that.

Oh and by the way you missed my point with the whole Osama thing; As I said later in my next post, I was saying that not knowing about a group and about the people in it (or not in it in the case of Osama) can lead to being ignorant and misjudging a whole people. An in game example - All Turians should die because Saran was a Turian and willingly served the Reapers and attacked Edan Prime.

You know nothing about the Batarians in reality, and you judge them worth killing. I know nothing about the Batarians really, so I keep from judging them as a whole people. That's the diffrence between us as I see it.

Also, your logic that the slaves (or, aka, the majority of the people on Batarian worlds) don't rise up and that is grounds for killing them all is flawed as well. Most Batarians are slaves to their government.

And my heart goes out to those poor slaves that were enslaved by the batarian system of government , but that system was going down one way or another. But why where those 210,000 beings slaves in the first place? Because the Batarians and their culture and government says they are. Slavery on the scale the batarians have can only be brought down in a few ways, 1.) by the batarian people themselves which they have not done, but instead condone and go a long with it.  or 2.) alot of bombs and alot of bullets to force that system of slavery to end.

And I do judge slavers as worth killing, all those who support the slavers are also worth killing, but the slaves are the innocent here reguardless of what race they are and just deserve the freedom that any being does. The difference between us  is that I would be willing to do whatever it takes to wipe out slavery by the means of fire and steel.

[TCBC_Freak]

1.) YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THE BATARIAN PEOPLE CONDONE SLAVERY!!! You keep making this mass judgment about their whole people being in support of it but then are basically calling us slaver lovers for making a judgment based on the same lack of info that maybe they don't. You're a hypocrite.
2.) And bombs and bullets wont guaranty an end to slavery, there are still slaves in our world today despite many wars to end it. Peaceful solutions could bring about an end to it more easily, educating the Batarian people, sending spy's and the equivalent of what the Green Barret's did with winning hearts and minds could work just as well to end it.

And so the difference is that I'm not happy that I killed 210,000 slaves and killed some slavers (since not all 90,000 free people were slavers), where you on the other hand are happy you did it?

I win. I have the moral high ground. I'm not okay with murdering 210,000 innocent people, you are. Yeah it had to happen. it was going to happen anyway, but I hate that they died, you are glad they died because some slavers died too, I think I win.

[General User]

And you don't know that they condemn it.

It's a moot point as far as the Alliance's responsibilities are concerned anyway, because the Alliance doesn't have any responsibility whatsoever to the people (slave or free) of the Batarian Hegemony. The Alliance's responsibilities ultimately begin and end with its own citizens.

Modifié par General User, 09 octobre 2011 - 11:42 .

[OmegaXI]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

1.) YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THE BATARIAN PEOPLE CONDONE SLAVERY!!! You keep making this mass judgment about their whole people being in support of it but then are basically calling us slaver lovers for making a judgment based on the same lack of info that maybe they don't. You're a hypocrite.
2.) And bombs and bullets wont guaranty an end to slavery, there are still slaves in our world today despite many wars to end it. Peaceful solutions could bring about an end to it more easily, educating the Batarian people, sending spy's and the equivalent of what the Green Barret's did with winning hearts and minds could work just as well to end it.

And so the difference is that I'm not happy that I killed 210,000 slaves and killed some slavers (since not all 90,000 free people were slavers), where you on the other hand are happy you did it?

I win. I have the moral high ground. I'm not okay with murdering 210,000 innocent people, you are. Yeah it had to happen. it was going to happen anyway, but I hate that they died, you are glad they died because some slavers died too, I think I win.

Well you twist my words and say you have the high moral ground while you are defending the slavers. And If 300,000 people need to die to save billions then so be it, its war. Is it right? no, did it need to be done? yes

And please tell me where you got this naive idea that the Batarian people do not condone slavery since this sytem has been in place for their entire history with council space? But no you resort to calling me a racist just to feed your own delusions of your self rightiousness , "Oh I'm defending the race that most people dislike, I must be a saint."

Say what you want but all your doing is protecting their system of slavery, I have no idea what you think you won, but have fun with the "Prize". Have fun explaining to those poor people in the colonies that its not the batarians fault that a batarian slave raid attacked their colony, killed their family, and enslaved everyone who wasn't dead or near death. And enjoy going to bed at night knowing that your so rightious in defending those everyone dislikes at the expense of turning a blind eye to brutal injustice that their system has brought upon countless numbers of self aware creatures since long before humanity came along.

Try not to get a nose bleed from being so high up on your self rightiousness.

Modifié par OmegaXI, 09 octobre 2011 - 12:01 .

[Zkyire]

Porenferser wrote...

I've been reading through the forum a lot.
And especially sentences like *Yeah, we killed 300.000 Terrorists, Shepard should be rewarded, not jailed!* really make me >
I mean, yes, except for 2 or 3 exceptions we have only met Batarians that wanted to kill us.
But hasn't anyone ever realized that the only reason for that is because we only met criminal Batarians?
Remender: Normally, they are not allowed to go anywhere out of their system.
The normal Batarians are all home and do nothing, everyone else is a slaver, a mercenary, etc
No need to wish death to a whole race.

Analogy, except for Legion we've only met 'evil' Geth yet, aka Heretics, all the rest is sitting in the perseus veil.
Why is there no such 'hate' for them?

The only good Batarian is a dead Batarian.

[Zkyire]

TCBC_Freak wrote...

1.) YOU DON'T KNOW THAT THE BATARIAN PEOPLE CONDONE SLAVERY!!! You keep making this mass judgment about their whole people being in support of it but then are basically calling us slaver lovers for making a judgment based on the same lack of info that maybe they don't. You're a hypocrite.
2.) And bombs and bullets wont guaranty an end to slavery, there are still slaves in our world today despite many wars to end it. Peaceful solutions could bring about an end to it more easily, educating the Batarian people, sending spy's and the equivalent of what the Green Barret's did with winning hearts and minds could work just as well to end it.

And so the difference is that I'm not happy that I killed 210,000 slaves and killed some slavers (since not all 90,000 free people were slavers), where you on the other hand are happy you did it?

I win. I have the moral high ground. I'm not okay with murdering 210,000 innocent people, you are. Yeah it had to happen. it was going to happen anyway, but I hate that they died, you are glad they died because some slavers died too, I think I win.

1 A) They don't condone slavery and yet they haven't stopped it. So then they're an apathetic race that sits back and lets their government enslave millions/billions. So **** them.
1   They do condone the enslavement of millions/billions. So **** them.

2) "I win. I have the moral high ground." - the statement alone means you just lost the moral highground, bro

Modifié par IEatWhatIPoo, 09 octobre 2011 - 11:50 .

[GodWood]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I'm pretty sure this is the real reason:

I like this.

I'd prefer it if it was an asari though.

[GodWood]

IEatWhatIPoo wrote...
1 A) They don't condone slavery and yet they haven't stopped it. So then they're an apathetic race that sits back and lets their government enslave millions/billions. So **** them.

There are more slaves alive today then at any other point in human history.