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[Foolsfolly]

Wynne lit a guy on fire. Connor started to show somehow (I don't remember how) and his mom hired Jowen to train him.

...but I don't remember any other such stories about how people know children are mages or not. Is it always a violent and obvious thing? Are there no unimagitive people with magic in them that simply never notice it?

I guess what I'm asking is does it always physically manifest in some way or is there some kind of Blade Runner-esque test that proves if they're a mage or not? I believe Cory (or someone in DA2) could "smell the magic". Is there a sense to thing?

I'm actually really curious about this. And I don't remember this ever really coming up in either game. (Although I say this and there may be some codex entry I've never read which explains how Templars know or not).

[TEWR]

I'm willing to bet that it manifests in fits of anger.

[EmperorSahlertz]

The Templars don't know... They are just told there is a mage-child in the village of such'n'such, then they move out to verify the claims.

There doesn't seem to be any physical manifestation of their powers, but judging by Wynne's account, it manifests with uncontrolled dispalys of magic, in times of emotional extremes.

So the Templars probably test the child somehow, to see if the child indeed does posses magical abilities, or if they are just scapegoats for an angry village.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 03 octobre 2011 - 09:47 .

[Foolsfolly]

Because of the seeming connection between magic and the Fade. I've wondered if something occurs while they're sleeping. Like doing that fist-glowy thing Mage Hawke can do to show they're a mage while having a nightmare. Or something.

I can totally see getting angry and going Carrie on the place.

But I still wonder if there's a test or something. I mean, hearsay led to witch burning in our reality. I can see some superstitious people laying the blame for a herd of cattle getting sick or running off at the feet of some child who likes to take walks next to their pastor.

There has to be a way to confirm. If for no other reason than to stop lynching of people suspected of being apostates. Even if that way is flawed.

[TastesLikeTNT]

That's a good question. I've wondered that myself.

In the Lothering Chantry, if you're a mage and click on the templars, they'll be wary and say that there is something odd about you, which would suggest that they do have a way of sensing mages. Or at least some of them do. I think it really depends on the templar. Their abilities to detect mages range from Ser Bryant, who can tell you're a mage just by looking at you to templars like Cullen. It's difficult to say.

According to the Codex entry on the matter, there are hedge witches who are not "aware of their nature" and have their magic manifest in other ways;

Historically, apostates become such in one of two ways: They are either mages who have escaped from the Circle or mages who were never part of it to begin with. This latter category includes what we tend to refer to as "hedge mages"--those with magical ability out in the hinterlands who follow a different magical tradition than our own. Some of these hedge mages are not even aware of their nature. Undeveloped, their abilities can express themselves in a variety of ways, which the hedge mage might attribute to faith, or will, or to another being entirely (depending on his nature). Some of these traditions are passed down from generation to generation, as with the so-called "witches" of the Chasind wilders or the "shamans" of the Avvar barbarians.

Modifié par TastesLikeTNT, 03 octobre 2011 - 09:49 .

[TEWR]

TastesLikeTNT wrote...

That's a good question. I've wondered that myself.

In the Lothering Chantry, if you're a mage and click on the templars, they'll be wary and say that there is something odd about you, which would suggest that they do have a way of sensing mages. Or at least some of them do. I think it really depends on the templar. Their abilities to detect mages range from Ser Bryant, who can tell you're a mage just by looking at you to templars like Cullen. It's difficult to say.

Actually, they only remark upon Morrigan looking strange and odd, and she does kinda stand out. Even if she was just a normal person, she'd stand out because of the way she walks, talks, acts, and dresses.

According to the Codex entry on the matter, there are hedge witches who are not "aware of their nature" and have their magic manifest in other ways;

Historically, apostates become such in one of two ways: They are either mages who have escaped from the Circle or mages who were never part of it to begin with. This latter category includes what we tend to refer to as "hedge mages"--those with magical ability out in the hinterlands who follow a different magical tradition than our own. Some of these hedge mages are not even aware of their nature. Undeveloped, their abilities can express themselves in a variety of ways, which the hedge mage might attribute to faith, or will, or to another being entirely (depending on his nature). Some of these traditions are passed down from generation to generation, as with the so-called "witches" of the Chasind wilders or the "shamans" of the Avvar barbarians.

Huh.... that's interesting. I guess the mages of the Chasind barbarians don't really see themselves as mages. I'm guessing all of the Chasind probably see their mages as emissaries for their gods or something.

[whykikyouwhy]

How Do The Templar Know a Child's a Mage?

Spidey-sense. It tingles.


If the lyrium-ingestion actually does anything for templars other than leave them addicted, perhaps it works in some harmony with the presence of lyrium in mages - a sort of 'ping' on the radar, as it were.

[TastesLikeTNT]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

TastesLikeTNT wrote...

That's a good question. I've wondered that myself.

In the Lothering Chantry, if you're a mage and click on the templars, they'll be wary and say that there is something odd about you, which would suggest that they do have a way of sensing mages. Or at least some of them do. I think it really depends on the templar. Their abilities to detect mages range from Ser Bryant, who can tell you're a mage just by looking at you to templars like Cullen. It's difficult to say.

Actually, they only remark upon Morrigan looking strange and odd, and she does kinda stand out. Even if she was just a normal person, she'd stand out because of the way she walks, talks, acts, and dresses.

No, that's not all. If you click on them afterwards while controlling a mage, they say that "here is something odd about you. I trust you're not here to make trouble." I have received that dialogue even when Morrigan wasn't in the party and I've never, ever received that dialogue controlling a non-mage. I'm 99,9 % sure it's tied to the PC being a mage.

[TEWR]

TastesLikeTNT wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

TastesLikeTNT wrote...

That's a good question. I've wondered that myself.

In the Lothering Chantry, if you're a mage and click on the templars, they'll be wary and say that there is something odd about you, which would suggest that they do have a way of sensing mages. Or at least some of them do. I think it really depends on the templar. Their abilities to detect mages range from Ser Bryant, who can tell you're a mage just by looking at you to templars like Cullen. It's difficult to say.

Actually, they only remark upon Morrigan looking strange and odd, and she does kinda stand out. Even if she was just a normal person, she'd stand out because of the way she walks, talks, acts, and dresses.

No, that's not all. If you click on them afterwards while controlling a mage, they say that "here is something odd about you. I trust you're not here to make trouble." I have received that dialogue even when Morrigan wasn't in the party and I've never, ever received that dialogue controlling a non-mage. I'm 99,9 % sure it's tied to the PC being a mage.

I've gotten a dialogue where they say "We'll have no trouble making in here" or something for all of my Wardens. I'm 99.9% sure it's dialogue any Warden can receive.

....well now we're in a big pickle..... mmm..... pickles.....

[EgoSoul]

Also according to lore everyone with the exception of dwarves enter the fade when they dream. Mages however are the only ones that can remember or are conscious of their time there, at least thats how I got it.

[TEWR]

whykikyouwhy wrote...

How Do The Templar Know a Child's a Mage?

Spidey-sense. It tingles.


If the lyrium-ingestion actually does anything for templars other than leave them addicted, perhaps it works in some harmony with the presence of lyrium in mages - a sort of 'ping' on the radar, as it were.

I don't see how a mage child would have lyrium in his system.

But I guess for Circle mages or rogue mages who have gotten their hands on lyrium it could work. I was actually thinking the very magical properties of lyrium sort of gives the Templars a way to sense magic. I mean, any Warden can call the Templar abilities magic themselves.

Anders is able to sense that Hawke is a mage, so I figure the same thing goes for Templars who have ingested lyrium. IIRC, lyrium is known to be concentrated magic.

[TastesLikeTNT]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...



I've gotten a dialogue where they say "We'll have no trouble making in here" or something for all of my Wardens. I'm 99.9% sure it's dialogue any Warden can receive.

....well now we're in a big pickle..... mmm..... pickles.....

Yes, they have dialogue for everyone that warns against causing trouble, but they have an additional piece of dialogue that says "There is something odd about you. I trust you're not here to make trouble" word-for-word that is specific for mage wardens.

Modifié par TastesLikeTNT, 03 octobre 2011 - 10:08 .

[Jellyfloater]

It was Larius who says whether he can smell magic in you or not... Exactly how he can do so is a very good question. The way he says he can "smell" it seems to suggest it's something bestial in nature, so it may be one of the abilities of a darkspawn, which has manifested in him as his condition worsened.

[Wulfram]

I don't think Templars have any special ability to detect mages, unless they've got their phylactery anyway . Certainly, plenty of mages seem to manage to hide.

It seems Mage children initially lack control, and will thus often give themselves away. Isolde hired Jowan so that Jowan could teach Connor enough control to hide it.

Major disruptions in the veil like the Orphanage in the Denerim Alienage seem to be detectable by Templars though.

Modifié par Wulfram, 03 octobre 2011 - 10:10 .

[TEWR]

Wulfram wrote...

I don't think Templars have any special ability to detect mages, unless they've got their phylactery anyway . Certainly, plenty of mages seem to manage to hide.

It seems Mage children initially lack control, and will thus often give themselves away. Isolde hired Jowan so that Jowan could teach Connor enough control to hide it.

Major disruptions in the veil like the Orphanage in the Denerim Alienage seem to be detectable by Templars though.

To be fair Ser Otto had lost a great deal of sight, which may have heightened his other senses, or even heightened his Templar abilities.

He may have smelled the smelly smell that was emanating from the pools of blood but didn't know that it was coming from a pool of blood.

The deranged woman also spoke a little bit to him (though he says that she opened up to the Warden more) which would've also tipped him off to something being.... well... off.

[Wulfram]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

To be fair Ser Otto had lost a great deal of sight, which may have heightened his other senses, or even heightened his Templar abilities.

It's not just Ser Otto.  If the Warden has the Templar spec, they get an option to say that they sense it too.

[TEWR]

Wulfram wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

To be fair Ser Otto had lost a great deal of sight, which may have heightened his other senses, or even heightened his Templar abilities.

It's not just Ser Otto.  If the Warden has the Templar spec, they get an option to say that they sense it too.

really? Huh.... now that's something I would've known if I didn't always play a Rogue because I'm a loot-hoarder.

[ejoslin]

TastesLikeTNT wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...



I've gotten a dialogue where they say "We'll have no trouble making in here" or something for all of my Wardens. I'm 99.9% sure it's dialogue any Warden can receive.

....well now we're in a big pickle..... mmm..... pickles.....

Yes, they have dialogue for everyone that warns against causing trouble, but they have an additional piece of dialogue that says "There is something odd about you. I trust you're not here to make trouble" word-for-word that is specific for mage wardens.

THIS one was easy to verify.  In the toolset there is this:

Templar: "There is something... odd about you. I trust that you are not here to make trouble." (suspicious)
Condition for triggering: GEN_class_MAGE (defined)

Edit: When Morrigan is in the party, you get this:
Templar: You... Miss. What is your name? You... seem quite odd to me.

Modifié par ejoslin, 03 octobre 2011 - 10:57 .

[TastesLikeTNT]

ejoslin wrote...


THIS one was easy to verify.  In the toolset there is this:

Templar: "There is something... odd about you. I trust that you are not here to make trouble." (suspicious)
Condition for triggering: GEN_class_MAGE (defined)

Ah, I do so envy you PC-gamers your toolset. Thank you!

Modifié par TastesLikeTNT, 03 octobre 2011 - 11:05 .

[Fiery Knight]

I always thought you just keept an eye on people with staves. Though that usually doesn't lead to anything. Templars are dumb.

[dragonflight288]

I mean....Cullen couldn't tell Hawke was a mage in Act 1.

[LobselVith8]

ejoslin wrote...

TastesLikeTNT wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...



I've gotten a dialogue where they say "We'll have no trouble making in here" or something for all of my Wardens. I'm 99.9% sure it's dialogue any Warden can receive.

....well now we're in a big pickle..... mmm..... pickles.....

Yes, they have dialogue for everyone that warns against causing trouble, but they have an additional piece of dialogue that says "There is something odd about you. I trust you're not here to make trouble" word-for-word that is specific for mage wardens.

THIS one was easy to verify.  In the toolset there is this:

Templar: "There is something... odd about you. I trust that you are not here to make trouble." (suspicious)
Condition for triggering: GEN_class_MAGE (defined)

Edit: When Morrigan is in the party, you get this:
Templar: You... Miss. What is your name? You... seem quite odd to me.

I remember the templars saying that to my mage protagonist. I figured it had something to do with my Surana Warden wearing Circle robes and carrying a staff...

[TheJediSaint]

I always figured Templars just had plot fueled Magedar for detecting mages.

Modifié par TheJediSaint, 03 octobre 2011 - 04:45 .

[GavrielKay]

I figured that they must rely heavily on incidents being reported by civilians. With villages and farmsteads spread around the land, it would be a tremendous effort to keep enough Templars wandering about to randomly stumble across budding mages. Up close and personal they might be able to get a "feeling" that someone is more than they appear, but that doesn't seem to work from any distance.

[TobiTobsen]

LobselVith8 wrote...

ejoslin wrote...


THIS one was easy to verify.  In the toolset there is this:

Templar: "There is something... odd about you. I trust that you are not here to make trouble." (suspicious)
Condition for triggering: GEN_class_MAGE (defined)

Edit: When Morrigan is in the party, you get this:
Templar: You... Miss. What is your name? You... seem quite odd to me.

I remember the templars saying that to my mage protagonist. I figured it had something to do with my Surana Warden wearing Circle robes and carrying a staff...

They should've redeployed all the Lothering Templars to Kirkwall. They would've been in leading positions in no time, since they seem to be the only templars that are actually a little bit competent

Back to topic:

I always thought that it maybe works a little bit like the Blank and the Psykers in Warhammer 40k. Both can sense each other. Maybe just a weird feeling in the gut or something like that.
On the one hand it can't be to strong otherwise the Lothering Templars wouldn't have been so vague, but on the other something has to be there. The Templars never seem to catch the wrong people. Or maybe we just never heard of cases where templars waltzed in and just found a normal boy/girl that was framed by their nasty neighbours.