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[Zanallen]

Mages constantly smell like a turd wrapped in burnt hair.

[TEWR]

dragonflight288 wrote...

I mean....Cullen couldn't tell Hawke was a mage in Act 1.

not entirely true. Bioware did the absolute bare minimum (or even less than that) to make Cullen recognize Hawke was a mage.

While he doesn't recognize that Hawke is a mage during Enemies Among Us, afterwards he says "I've been hearing strange rumors about you Hawke. I'm hoping they're not true" if you play as a Mage. If you play as a Rogue or Warrior, this comment changes to talk about Bethany.

Still, Bioware really dun' goofed.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

EgoSoul wrote...

Also according to lore everyone with the exception of dwarves enter the fade when they dream.

And yet both Varric and Oghen can enter the Fade. And depnding on how you play DA:O Oghren can enter the Fade twice! (once in the Circle Tower if you recurit him early and if he's your party during the Blackmarsh quest in Awakening).

[Gervaise]

I think the Templars must rely a lot on rumour when the mage is young and the fact that since people generally are afraid of mages, they are likely to report them or simply dump them on the nearest Chantry. Both Anders and Jowan's fathers disowned them after they manifested their powers. Anders apparently accidentally set light to a barn. I'm not sure what Jowan did but I seem to recall his father called him a demon child, so he must have done something. Wynne also felt a sense of isolation as a child and I believe was also rejected by her parents. (It is sometime since I played Origins so my memory may be playing tricks).

Once the mage gets a bit older, although they may be better at controlling their powers, the magic probably leaves a stronger imprint on them, so may be Templars can sense something and the more astute recognise it for what it is. However, Morrigan recounts how some Chasind fellow recognised her and started pointing, but because he didn't speak much of the language and Morrigan play acted the poor helpless female, he was the one who ended up being set on. Don't think any Templars were involved though. I wonder if it was rumour or something else that caused the Templars to venture into the wilds after Flemeth?

[Foolsfolly]

ejoslin wrote...

THIS one was easy to verify. In the toolset there is this:

Templar: "There is something... odd about you. I trust that you are not here to make trouble." (suspicious)
Condition for triggering: GEN_class_MAGE (defined)

Edit: When Morrigan is in the party, you get this:
Templar: You... Miss. What is your name? You... seem quite odd to me.

Well, that points to an ability to sense Mages doesn't it? That's interesting.

Also I've never played Templar in Origins. So I didn't know you felt something odd in the Alienage. That's interesting to me as well.

[TEWR]

Cyberstrike nTo wrote...

EgoSoul wrote...

Also according to lore everyone with the exception of dwarves enter the fade when they dream.

And yet both Varric and Oghen can enter the Fade. And depnding on how you play DA:O Oghren can enter the Fade twice! (once in the Circle Tower if you recurit him early and if he's your party during the Blackmarsh quest in Awakening).

Dwarves don't enter the Fade naturally, but they can enter the Fade through unnatural means. And those three instances you mentioned are instances where Dwarven companions enter the Fade unnaturally. They were forced into being there.

Side note: Why weren't my Dwarf Nobles given a chance to freak the **** out when the Sloth Demon sent them to the Fade?

[Hyperfish619]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

whykikyouwhy wrote...

How Do The Templar Know a Child's a Mage?

Spidey-sense. It tingles.


If the lyrium-ingestion actually does anything for templars other than leave them addicted, perhaps it works in some harmony with the presence of lyrium in mages - a sort of 'ping' on the radar, as it were.

I don't see how a mage child would have lyrium in his system.

But I guess for Circle mages or rogue mages who have gotten their hands on lyrium it could work. I was actually thinking the very magical properties of lyrium sort of gives the Templars a way to sense magic. I mean, any Warden can call the Templar abilities magic themselves.

Anders is able to sense that Hawke is a mage, so I figure the same thing goes for Templars who have ingested lyrium. IIRC, lyrium is known to be concentrated magic.

I think he meant that The Templars could detect magic activity based on injesting Lyrium, not mage kids taking Lyrium

Personally I reckon it's more detective work.  They'll hear a report about a child doing something magic based and go to investigate.  You have to remember that Templars are pretty much ingrained in this society, their outposts are everywhere.  While they do help out with spiritual matters and threats to public order, (see Lothering), there primary mission is to contain magic and stop it, 'corrupting', the flawed psyche of man.

[Cobra's_back]

I played a mage in both DA2 and DAO. It doesn't seem like the templars really know. Wynne had to set a kid's hair on fire. Connor nearly destroyed a town before someone found out.

There were nobles that were blood mages in Kirkwall and they didn't pick up on it. Hawke has to tell the Templars that DuPuis is a blood mage.

[Lazy Jer]

How do the templar know a child's a mage?

Its tattooed on the back of their neck.

Modifié par Lazy Jer, 04 octobre 2011 - 03:30 .

[Cobra's_back]

In Cullen’s case you could have it tattooed on your forehead and he wouldn’t get it.
I saved Cullen using magic. I had a staff and he tells my Mage Hawke that Mages are not like “you and I they are weapons”.
How did he miss the staff? How did he miss the freeze spells?

[Lazy Jer]

ghostbusters101 wrote...

In Cullen’s case you could have it tattooed on your forehead and he wouldn’t get it.
I saved Cullen using magic. I had a staff and he tells my Mage Hawke that Mages are not like “you and I they are weapons”.
How did he miss the staff? How did he miss the freeze spells?

Cullen drinks a lot of coffee, the resultant increase in caffine causes him to rush from place to place with little time to notice small things like ice bolts flying out of someone's hand or magical energy being zotted out of someone's giant walking stick.  Compare this to Fenris who drinks decaff and thus notices mage skills considerably sooner.

That's my theory anyway.

Modifié par Lazy Jer, 04 octobre 2011 - 05:45 .

[Herr Uhl]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Side note: Why weren't my Dwarf Nobles given a chance to freak the **** out when the Sloth Demon sent them to the Fade?

Everyone except the mages should have that option.

Edit: Not saying that freaking out wouldn't be a valid response for mages, but they have been awake in the fade before.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 04 octobre 2011 - 06:32 .

[thats1evildude]

Although public opinion is turning against the templars little by little, it's important to remember that the templars have been regarded as a vital institution within Thedas for many centuries — the only line of defence between the general populace and the tyranny of magic. Many rulers within Thedas support the Chantry and give them authority over those with magical talent. And they act on behalf of the Maker and Andraste, after all.

Aside from the punishments that come with harbouring an apostate, remember that the Circle of Magi is the only institution in Thedas that actually trains mages to use their powers. The only alternative is to have another apostate who can instruct your child, and that's fairly difficult.

Now consider the threat that an untrained mage poses. Oh, that mage may never actually use their talents for harm, but what happens when a demon invades their mind and they transform into an abomination?

So how do the templars track down mages? In many cases, they don't have to. Many mages are turned in by their own families, or by their neighbours. That's exactly what happened with Jowan.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 04 octobre 2011 - 06:43 .

[Cobra's_back]

Lazy Jer wrote...

ghostbusters101 wrote...

In Cullen’s case you could have it tattooed on your forehead and he wouldn’t get it.
I saved Cullen using magic. I had a staff and he tells my Mage Hawke that Mages are not like “you and I they are weapons”.
How did he miss the staff? How did he miss the freeze spells?

Cullen drinks a lot of coffee, the resultant increase in caffine causes him to rush from place to place with little time to notice small things like ice bolts flying out of someone's hand or magical energy being zotted out of someone's giant walking stick.  Compare this to Fenris who drinks decaff and thus notices mage skills considerably sooner.

That's my theory anyway.

Thank you. I loved your response LOL.

[Lazy Jer]

thats1evildude wrote...

Although public opinion is turning against the templars little by little, it's important to remember that the templars have been regarded as a vital institution within Thedas for many centuries — the only line of defence between the general populace and the tyranny of magic. Many rulers within Thedas support the Chantry and give them authority over those with magical talent. And they act on behalf of the Maker and Andraste, after all.

Aside from the punishments that come with harbouring an apostate, remember that the Circle of Magi is the only institution in Thedas that actually trains mages to use their powers. The only alternative is to have another apostate who can instruct your child, and that's fairly difficult.

Now consider the threat that an untrained mage poses. Oh, that mage may never actually use their talents for harm, but what happens when a demon invades their mind and they transform into an abomination?

Well, I wouldn't say that opinion is turning away from the templars, per se.  I think that the most recent game just illustrates that, as with any organization, the templars can be lead astray if their leader becomes corrupt, either on her own or, in Knight Commander Meredeth "The Madness" Stannard's case having her corruption helped on by a magical artifact.

[TEWR]

Lazy Jer wrote...

thats1evildude wrote...

Although public opinion is turning against the templars little by little, it's important to remember that the templars have been regarded as a vital institution within Thedas for many centuries — the only line of defence between the general populace and the tyranny of magic. Many rulers within Thedas support the Chantry and give them authority over those with magical talent. And they act on behalf of the Maker and Andraste, after all.

Aside from the punishments that come with harbouring an apostate, remember that the Circle of Magi is the only institution in Thedas that actually trains mages to use their powers. The only alternative is to have another apostate who can instruct your child, and that's fairly difficult.

Now consider the threat that an untrained mage poses. Oh, that mage may never actually use their talents for harm, but what happens when a demon invades their mind and they transform into an abomination?

Well, I wouldn't say that opinion is turning away from the templars, per se.  I think that the most recent game just illustrates that, as with any organization, the templars can be lead astray if their leader becomes corrupt, either on her own or, in Knight Commander Meredeth "The Madness" Stannard's case having her corruption helped on by a magical artifact.

Actually no Cullen remarks that people are in fact not helping the Templars like they used to, and in Ferelden at least where the Mages' Collective has a presence peoples' views on magic have been improving because the Collective has been taking care of problems before the Chantry gets involved.



Side note that's somewhat relevant. Going to use a general "you" here: You know how Gaider said that phylacteries could be viewed as blood magic? Turns out they are in fact blood magic since Gascard DuPuis took Alessa's blood so that he could track her, and when asked if tracking her is a form of blood magic he confirms it is blood magic.

yay for Templars using blood magic! Hypocrisy is awesome!

[Foolsfolly]

Connor nearly destroyed a town before someone found out.

That's not how that worked.

Connor was found out to be a mage somehow by his mom. She hired Jowen, who then poisoned Eamon. With his father dying Connor made a deal with a Desire Demon and then the undead thing started.

The undead thing that nearly destroyed Redcliffe wasn't when they found out he was a mage.

[thats1evildude]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Actually no Cullen remarks that people are in fact not helping the Templars like they used to.

True, I was thinking specifically of his comments. Plus, the very existence of organizations like the Mage Underground shows that at least some common people no longer agree with the Chantry's policies and the templars as a whole.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

In Ferelden at least
where the Mages' Collective has a presence peoples' views on magic have
been improving because the Collective has been taking care of problems
before the Chantry gets involved.

Not so sure about that one. From what I can tell, the Mages' Collective gets up to some pretty shady things.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 05 octobre 2011 - 05:36 .

[Anvos]

Personally I'd say its not so much detect mages as at some point during childhood the child most likely instinctively uses magic by accident, whether its something simple like pulling a toy or making pretty lights for amusement or something during a time of extreme emotion.

[Ponendus]

They set a snake loose on their cousin?

Sorry couldn't resist...

[TEWR]

thats1evildude wrote...

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

Actually no Cullen remarks that people are in fact not helping the Templars like they used to.

True, I was thinking specifically of his comments. Plus, the very existence of organizations like the Mage Underground shows that at least some common people no longer agree with the Chantry's policies and the templars as a whole.

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

In Ferelden at least
where the Mages' Collective has a presence peoples' views on magic have
been improving because the Collective has been taking care of problems
before the Chantry gets involved.

Not so sure about that one. From what I can tell, the Mages' Collective gets up to some pretty shady things.

http://dragonage.wik...ive_Arming_Cowl

They haven't really done many shady things. Only a few quests could be looked at with suspicion, and we don't even have the full story on those. Others aren't shady in nature.

[Augustei]

I heard a rumor the Knight-Vigilant can sense any maleficars and practitioners of forbidden magic by them just being in his presence.. he can sniff out any blood mages. And mages everywhere especially ones that actually have to meet the Knight-Vigilant are scared as hell of him. =D

[Zanallen]

XxDeonxX wrote...

I heard a rumor the Knight-Vigilant can sense any maleficars and practitioners of forbidden magic by them just being in his presence.. he can sniff out any blood mages. And mages everywhere especially ones that actually have to meet the Knight-Vigilant are scared as hell of him. =D

'Cause mages smell like turds wrapped in burnt hair.

[Sons of Horus]

Zanallen wrote...

XxDeonxX wrote...

I heard a rumor the Knight-Vigilant can sense any maleficars and practitioners of forbidden magic by them just being in his presence.. he can sniff out any blood mages. And mages everywhere especially ones that actually have to meet the Knight-Vigilant are scared as hell of him. =D

'Cause mages smell like turds wrapped in burnt hair.

So..to Avoid all the Templars working out he was a mage, Hawke made sure they developed a cold?

[Zanallen]

Sons of Horus wrote...

So..to Avoid all the Templars working out he was a mage, Hawke made sure they developed a cold?

Yes. He paid Varric to give all the templars runny noses. This is also why ice spells are so effective for defense. Even if the templar survives, they get sick and lose the ability to sense mages without phylacteries.