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[Someone With Mass]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

If the Council threatened to bomb their asses, why don't they just colonize a planet in non-Council space? They have enough ships to kick off any slaver attacks.

*Take note I'm actually not trying to be a b*tch.

Probably because there are almost no habitable planets that suits them. 

Unless the planet supports their genetic makeup, something as simple as pollen will be like poison to them.

It'll also take them a lot longer to adapt to the planet's environment compared to re-adapting to their homeworld's environment, which could be a problem with their limited resources.

[aiDvEoN]

Because that fleet would.need to be cannibalized as part of the settlement process, and they simply do not have the.military personnel for any real war. They try to settle in the Terminus, and it'll be death by a thousand cuts.

[Someone With Mass]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Well, relgion isn't nessary to survival, you know.

No, but it could be a reason why so many of them hate the geth.

Things like that happens when someone tries to suppress another person's religion.

[Nerevar-as]

Saphra Deden wrote...

They were too late, but in the war we saw that their fears were justified. The geth conquered every world and killed every quarian who wasn't fast enough to escape.

No they were not. Complaining about a genocide caused by their own attempt to commit another hardly gives them a higher moral ground. And the Geth seem to have stopped to think at some moment about what they were doing and decided to mind their own bussiness until Nazara showed up. Quarian leadership is still living 300 years in the past.

[Nerevar-as]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Well, relgion isn't nessary to survival, you know.

No, but it could be a reason why so many of them hate the geth.

Things like that happens when someone tries to suppress another person's religion.

It certainly helped, but compared to genocide? Although taking ancestor worship to the point of making personality copies is probably going too far. Wonder what the selection process to decide who to copy was.

[Someone With Mass]

Nerevar-as wrote...

No they were not. Complaining about a genocide caused by their own attempt to commit another hardly gives them a higher moral ground. And the Geth seem to have stopped to think at some moment about what they were doing and decided to mind their own bussiness until Nazara showed up. Quarian leadership is still living 300 years in the past.

Telling someone that they deserve to die just because their ancestors tried to shut off their tools before something happened (I really don't think they could've predicted the outcome, which they didn't) isn't that high on the moral ladder either.

[HellBovine]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

They were too late, but in the war we saw that their fears were justified. The geth conquered every world and killed every quarian who wasn't fast enough to escape.

No they were not. Complaining about a genocide caused by their own attempt to commit another hardly gives them a higher moral ground. And the Geth seem to have stopped to think at some moment about what they were doing and decided to mind their own bussiness until Nazara showed up. Quarian leadership is still living 300 years in the past.

Quarian leadership is living in the past because they do not have a future, they have no good options. The only ones available to them currently are:
They can either try to colonize a planet in non-council space, which I believe they are exploring via the Idenna for that very purpose. Yet, they are still stuck living in suits for hundred of years while in constant danger from other Terminus factions.
They can keep hoping the council might throw them some scraps and grant them a planet, which will never happen.
They can go to war, most likely resulting in the geth finishing them off.

[Dave of Canada]

Quarians were stupid enough to not colonize any planets while they still had an immune system, they waited until it all but disappeared and now they're looking for a place to chill.

We read entries on how Quarians inhabited other worlds, they had a brief time of being sick but they adapted. Why didn't they do this in the first place other than their own stubborn stupidity of "4 DA HOMEWORLD"?

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:06 .

[Nerevar-as]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

No they were not. Complaining about a genocide caused by their own attempt to commit another hardly gives them a higher moral ground.

I did not say anything about a moral high-ground, you moron. I said that the geth genocide of the quarians proved that the quarians' fears about what the geth could do were justified. The quarians feared the geth could threaten the survival of their species, and low and behold the geth did just that.

Thanks for the moron part. My point was that starting and losing a war because they were afraid the other side might do the same? Brilliant leadership there.

[Someone With Mass]

Nerevar-as wrote...

It certainly helped, but compared to genocide? Although taking ancestor worship to the point of making personality copies is probably going too far. Wonder what the selection process to decide who to copy was.

Making VIs was never illegal by Council laws. Basing the VI on a person was only illegal if the person was alive too.

[HellBovine]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

No they were not. Complaining about a genocide caused by their own attempt to commit another hardly gives them a higher moral ground.

I did not say anything about a moral high-ground, you moron. I said that the geth genocide of the quarians proved that the quarians' fears about what the geth could do were justified. The quarians feared the geth could threaten the survival of their species, and low and behold the geth did just that.

Thanks for the moron part. My point was that starting and losing a war because they were afraid the other side might do the same? Brilliant leadership there.

I doubt they intended to start a war, they were most likely trying to turn off defective equipment.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Quarians were stupid enough to not colonize any planets while they still had an immune system, they waited until it all but disappeared and now they're looking for a place to chill.

We read entries on how Quarians inhabited other worlds, they had a brief time of being sick but they adapted. Why didn't they do this in the first place other than their own stubborn stupidity of "4 DA HOMEWORLD"?

They did that.

I guess using that brain of yours hurts like hell.

By the way, who says they haven't tried?

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:13 .

[HellBovine]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Sometimes when the stakes are that high you can't afford to be passive. You can't afford to bet everything on peace and then be proven wrong.

The quarians struck first and still lost. Can you imagine what would have happened if the geth had been allowed to strike first? There would likely be no Migrant Fleet today. Maybe no quarians would have survived to the current era.

All the quarians could hope to do in that situation was to mitigate the chances of their own completely destruction, even if it meant instigating hostilities. (which wasn't even their intent)

Truth

Modifié par HellBovine, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:13 .

[Nerevar-as]

HellBovine wrote...

Quarian leadership is living in the past because they do not have a future, they have no good options. The only ones available to them currently are:
They can either try to colonize a planet in non-council space, which I believe they are exploring via the Idenna for that very purpose. Yet, they are still stuck living in suits for hundred of years while in constant danger from other Terminus factions.
They can keep hoping the council might throw them some scraps and grant them a planet, which will never happen.
They can go to war, most likely resulting in the geth finishing them off.

The part where they really worried me was how they were preapring to go back against the geth knowing the Reapers are in the doorstep. I understand they don´t want to fight them with civilians on the fleet, but if they lose the power to make a difference it will be even worse for everybody.

I´m getting the feeling that the end of ME3 is going to be a big reset button to the whole setting.

[AnAccountWithNoName]

Nerevar-as wrote...

All of this has happened before...

and all of this will happen again.....

[Nerevar-as]

Saphra Deden wrote...

You deserve it.

Sometimes when the stakes are that high you can't afford to be passive. You can't afford to bet everything on peace and then be proven wrong.

The quarians struck first and still lost. Can you imagine what would have happened if the geth had been allowed to strike first? There would likely be no Migrant Fleet today. Maybe no quarians would have survived to the current era.

All the quarians could hope to do in that situation was to mitigate the chances of their own completely destruction, even if it meant instigating hostilities. (which wasn't even their intent)

You assume they would have struck first. Why would they have? Fear of a slave revolt? Stop using them as cheap labor then.

[Swimming Ferret]

To be fair, the Quarians did start colonizing Ekuna before asking the Council. The Council most likely took that as the sign of the Quarians arrogance/sense of entitlement, hence their angry response.

And stop with all the snide insulting, folks.

[aiDvEoN]

AIs in the MEverse have inevitably turned out hostile, that's one of the big reasons they're illegal. That's as good a reason as any to fear the geth attacking and act first.

[Someone With Mass]

Nerevar-as wrote...

You assume they would have struck first. Why would they have? Fear of a slave revolt? Stop using them as cheap labor then.

Not only were the geth unpredictable with their actions, they were also illegal by Council law, and that could've had severe political ramifications for the quarians unless they shut the geth down.

[Swimming Ferret]

aiDvEoN wrote...

AIs in the MEverse have inevitably turned out hostile, that's one of the big reasons they're illegal. That's as good a reason as any to fear the geth attacking and act first.

I think before the Geth it never happened; at least not on such a big scale. As such, AI are now illegal, for fear or another Mourning War happening. AI were always controlled, kinda like how EDI was shackled. The Quarians underestimated the combined processing power of the Geth and their self-evolution.