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[Someone With Mass]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

To be fair, the Quarians did start colonizing Ekuna before asking the Council. The Council most likely took that as the sign of the Quarians arrogance/sense of entitlement, hence their angry response.

And stop with all the snide insulting, folks.

The thing there is that the Council had no control over Ekuna, as it was a undiscovered planet at the time in a system dangerously close to the Perseus Veil.

[Swimming Ferret]

Maybe the Council wanted to prove something? Like "You ****** us off/break our laws and we'll screw up your plans all the way to hell" or something? Like an example to other species, a scapegoat.

[SnowHeart1]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

You assume they would have struck first.

No, I don't. All I have done is acknowledge that they could have and what the consequences would be.

Nancy is walking down the street when Bob comes the other way. They've never met before. Bob is a big guy and looks very strong. Nancy hadn't noticed it until Bob got up close, but she realizes he's carrying an aluminum baseball bat. Nancy thinks Bob could kill her. Nancy panics, pulls out a gun and shoots at Bob but misses. She gets ready to pull the trigger again when Bob swings his bat at Nancy, hits her, and breaks her arm. Nancy is the victim because Bob could have killed her?  

I'm not trying to twist your argument. Maybe you're not saying the Quarians are victims; I'm not sure. Just not quite following you here. Yes, the Geth could -- and did -- do quite a bit of damage. But they also acted in self-defense. So what does it matter what they could do?

Reminds me of a science fiction novel I read where the protagonist is a genius and figures out how to circumvent technology that saves the world, so they basically lobotomize him -- to make him less threatening. I just don't get it.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

They did that.

Almost three hundred years after the Geth kicked them off and their immune system disappeared, the thing I was arguing against in the post which you quoted.

Though keep with the "brain" insults, they're quite humorous and refreshing from the usual "twerp".

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

They did that.

Almost three hundred years after the Geth kicked them off and their immune system disappeared, the thing I was arguing against in the post which you quoted.

Though keep with the "brain" insults, they're quite humorous and refreshing from the usual "twerp".

Colony Founded: 2103.

Nor does it say anywhere that the quarians colonized it immediately after the geth drove them away. Or that they haven't tried to colonize or look for uncharted/inhabited planets for that matter.

I guess reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits either.

Keep making **** up. It's fun to laugh at your ignorance.

[Someone With Mass]

Swimming Ferret wrote...

Maybe the Council wanted to prove something? Like "You ****** us off/break our laws and we'll screw up your plans all the way to hell" or something? Like an example to other species, a scapegoat.

I don't know about you, but I wouldn't find that a strong motivator to join the Citadel ranks if they won't help with anything the second something happens that wasn't really cooperating with their laws.

[Nerevar-as]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Colony Founded: 2103.

Nor does it say anywhere that the quarians colonized it immediately after the geth drove them away. Or that they haven't tried to colonize or look for uncharted/inhabited planets for that matter.

I guess reading comprehension isn't one of your strong suits either.

Keep making **** up. It's fun to laugh at your ignorance.

Ascension implies heavily searching for a new world is no high priority for the leadership.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...


Colony Founded: 2103.

Quarians thrown off their homeworld: 1895
Modern day: 2186

Nor does it say anywhere that the quarians colonized it immediately after the geth drove them away.

 

First discovered by the quarians at the turn of the century

Oh hey, it was discovered at the start of the century. They couldn't have colonized it after being kicked off their homeworld!

*edited out* Guy above covered my second point.

Keep making **** up. It's fun to laugh at your ignorance.

I try.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:47 .

[Someone With Mass]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Ascension implies heavily searching for a new world is no high priority for the leadership.

Again, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Again, that doesn't mean it didn't happen.

For somebody who usually dismisses such arguments, you seem quick to use it when it's in your defense.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

For somebody who usually dismisses such arguments, you seem quick to use it when it's in your defense.

Anything else you want to add to the "I don't give a ****" list?

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:53 .

[Dave of Canada]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Anything else you want to add to the "I don't give a ****" list?

Sure, myself. Maybe you'll eventually stop resulting to swearing and freaking out whenever responding to my posts.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:55 .

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...
Sure, myself. Maybe you'll eventually stop resulting to swearing and freaking out whenever responding to my posts.

The second you start adding something constructive beyond "the quarians are stupid" to this thread.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 04 octobre 2011 - 10:58 .

[Dave of Canada]

My opinion on Quarians is invalid? Darn, I worked so hard on it.

[Someone With Mass]

Dave of Canada wrote...

My opinion on Quarians is invalid? Darn, I worked so hard on it.

It shows.

[Soccer FeverMan]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...
Sure, myself. Maybe you'll eventually stop resulting to swearing and freaking out whenever responding to my posts.

The second you start adding something constructive beyond "the quarians are stupid" to this thread.

Nah you just mad he proved you wrong with concrete facts.. i have noticed you pull immature sh*t when arguing with him. its fun to read keep it up

[Nashiktal]

One thing we all need to remember is that the geth were newly sapient They were thrust into a confusing world. There is no telling how they would have acted had the quarians not struck.

Perhaps they would have become an ally of the quarians (or slaves if the quarians played the creator card.) there is also the council variable, the quarians having an ai race on their side could start a devastating war. Hell that could range from no geth and weak quarians to quarians and geth dominating the galaxy with no council.

We just don't know.

[Nerevar-as]

Nashiktal wrote...

One thing we all need to remember is that the geth were newly sapient They were thrust into a confusing world. There is no telling how they would have acted had the quarians not struck.

Perhaps they would have become an ally of the quarians (or slaves if the quarians played the creator card.) there is also the council variable, the quarians having an ai race on their side could start a devastating war. Hell that could range from no geth and weak quarians to quarians and geth dominating the galaxy with no council.

We just don't know.

You don´t go for the genocide option because of a "don´t know". Panicking and choosing the Renegade option there really backfired. If Legion is actually the norm among the geth it probably means they didn´t even try to extrapolate geth behavior before issuing the deactivating order.

[Someone With Mass]

Soccer FeverMan wrote...

Nah you just mad he proved you wrong with concrete facts.. i have noticed you pull immature sh*t when arguing with him. its fun to read keep it up

I wouldn't call stating something that wasn't touched upon in the Codex or the in-game description as "concrete facts".

That's like saying that there isn't a third fleet in the Alliance Navy just because it wasn't mentioned in the games.

Oh, and the quarians are looking for habitable planets, as stated in Ascension. Each individual captain in their fleet is free to look for those planets as much as he/she wants as long as it's only involving their ship.

Not to mention that they could've very well been in a political disagreement, which prevented them to colonize all those available planets.

Does that make them stupid? Just because they happen to have different opinions?

Yeah, then we can call democracy or any kind of political act stupid too, since there are arguments involved there as well.

Also, I don't think their current government was made up on the spot when they left their planets. Leaders had to be appointed, the amount of control of those leaders had to be regulated and they had to establish a solid system within the fleet that kept them alive.

It's not entirely sure if they were even allowed to colonize anything because of their mistake and how their relations with other races plummeted.

[Nashiktal]

Genocide? The very day before they were toasters. They are machines, and at the time there was no legion. Only machine that do not think like you or I, machines that permeated all through geth society and military.

Imagine if every machine, not just fridges, but military computers, apc's, repair drones, washing machine all got up and asked about their existence. That threatens a lot. Every modern convienience, every military advantage thy had just got up and started giving opinions.

You don't have time to think, all you know is your infrastructure is in danger, what do you do? Keep in mind this is happening everywhere so there is no consensus among the quarian population on what to do. Quarians are not one entity.

[Collider]

Humans are bad

[SnowHeart1]

Nashiktal wrote...

*snip* Imagine if every machine, not just fridges, but military computers, apc's, repair drones, washing machine all got up and asked about their existence.

Okay. I'm imagining it. My refrigerator looks stupid and every time it talks, ice falls out of its drawer.

That threatens a lot.

Certainly rather unsettling, yes. Not sure why it has to be threatening, but it could definitely be an uncomfortable situation.

Every modern convienience, every military advantage thy had just got up and started giving opinions.

To be technical, they were asking questions. Not giving opinions, but your fundamental point remains true: this would be unsettling.

You don't have time to think, all you know is your infrastructure is in danger, what do you do?

A false premise. You do have time to think. You are choosing not to. Very important difference. Also, you do not know your infrastructure is danger, though you may suspect it. Again, important difference.

Keep in mind this is happening everywhere so there is no consensus among the quarian population on what to do. Quarians are not one entity.

Okay... How is that relevant?

Let's cut to the quick and go back to your previous point: there is a degree of the unknown here. There are hypotheticals and speculations and assumptions run amok. We don't know what would have happened if the Quarians had not tried to "unplug" the Geth. That's true once you make any decision; you don't know what would have happened if you selected the alternative.

Not knowing does not grant moral absolution. You still bear the responsibility of your actions. Now, those Quarians are all dead, but the living Quarians have one heck of a grudge, and it's on this same sort of stuff. "Well, we didn't know, so that means we had to be right." Wrong.

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 04 octobre 2011 - 11:44 .

[HellBovine]

SnowHeart1 wrote...
Not knowing does not grant moral absolution. You still bear the responsibility of your actions. Now, those Quarians are all dead, but the living Quarians have one heck of a grudge, and it's on this same sort of stuff. "Well, we didn't know, so that means we had to be right." Wrong.

It doesn't matter to them whether or not some quarians living 300 years ago were right or wrong, they are living with the consequences. If the geth weren't holding on to the one planet in the galaxy the quarians needed, I doubt there would nearly as much of an issue.

[SnowHeart1]

 Missed.Point.Entirely.